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Old July 10th 18, 04:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:53:56 +0100, "NY" wrote:

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:41:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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I do know that kohl is a cabbage, and schreiber is a writer, so this
means that Philip Kohlschreiber translates into English as Philip
CabbageWriter, which during Wimbledon is possibly more useful
information than the above :-)

Kohl is also charcoal -



Yes, it's cognate with the English "coal."


Oh yes! It had never occurred to me that kohl (cabbage) and kohl (the
English, borrowed from German, word for eye shadow) were the same word. I
suppose that when Germans use the word, they have to make it clear from
context which sense they are meaning. I'm sure we have plenty of words which
have two totally different meanings - can't think of one off the top of my
head.



There are many. Here's one that just popped into my head: "wound."
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Old July 10th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that
perhaps kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters
recognise neither that nor gasser.


'Leo' [1], confirms what this Dutchie thought: 'kirk' indeed
translates to (Scottish) 'church'. And 'gasse' is a small street /
alley.

But 'gasser' does not ring a bell.


Maybe the original German or Dutch name has had its spelling Anglicised
slightly from Kirche to Kirk and Gasse to Gasser, to make the pronunciation
slightly more obvious to an English speaker.


Or was "anglicized" to fit what the Anglophone heard.

There is the joke about the Chinese laundry by the name of "Ollie
Olsen". Seems that when the proprietor went through immigration, he
was following a Swede, and when it was his turn, was asked "What's
your name" and replied "Sam Ting." So the immigration man put "Ollie
Olsen" down on the form.

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Old July 10th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake on Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:06:05 -0700
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:49:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

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On 09/07/2018 18:05, Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that perhaps
kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters recognise
neither that nor gasser.

Kirche -church
Gasse - lane/alley/passage
-er - in this case, from ( as in Berlin - Berliner, Hamburg - Hamburger)
Michaela from Church Lane.


Berliner - but never as in "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is a naive literal
translation from English and means "I am a jam doughnut" (a Berliner is a
type of doughnut). JFK should have said "Ich bin Berliner" or else "Ich bin
aus Berlin" (*from* Berlin).




I studied German in college. But it was sixty years ago, and not being
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?


It is much like the difference between saying "I am Danish" and "I
am a Danish."


And FYI: the Danes don't have those "Danish Pastries" except as an
'import'."
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Old July 10th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"NY" on Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:53:56 +0100 typed in
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:41:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Java Jive
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[]
I do know that kohl is a cabbage, and schreiber is a writer, so this
means that Philip Kohlschreiber translates into English as Philip
CabbageWriter, which during Wimbledon is possibly more useful
information than the above :-)

Kohl is also charcoal -



Yes, it's cognate with the English "coal."


Oh yes! It had never occurred to me that kohl (cabbage) and kohl (the
English, borrowed from German, word for eye shadow) were the same word. I
suppose that when Germans use the word, they have to make it clear from
context which sense they are meaning. I'm sure we have plenty of words which
have two totally different meanings - can't think of one off the top of my
head.


Cleave - to separate something into two parts. To join together.

Finnish comedian Ismo thought "ass" just meant "butt." But that's
just the tip of assberg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAGcDi0DRtU

"Badass is good, but Dumbass is still dumb."

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Old July 10th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake on Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:07:31 -0700
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:53:56 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:41:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Java Jive
writes:
[]
I do know that kohl is a cabbage, and schreiber is a writer, so this
means that Philip Kohlschreiber translates into English as Philip
CabbageWriter, which during Wimbledon is possibly more useful
information than the above :-)

Kohl is also charcoal -


Yes, it's cognate with the English "coal."


Oh yes! It had never occurred to me that kohl (cabbage) and kohl (the
English, borrowed from German, word for eye shadow) were the same word. I
suppose that when Germans use the word, they have to make it clear from
context which sense they are meaning. I'm sure we have plenty of words which
have two totally different meanings - can't think of one off the top of my
head.



There are many. Here's one that just popped into my head: "wound."


Polish. Is it a person, a sausage, or a furniture topping?

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Old July 10th 18, 06:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 10/07/2018 16:06, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:49:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"musika" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2018 18:05, Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that perhaps
kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters recognise
neither that nor gasser.

Kirche -church
Gasse - lane/alley/passage
-er - in this case, from ( as in Berlin - Berliner, Hamburg - Hamburger)
Michaela from Church Lane.


Berliner - but never as in "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is a naive literal
translation from English and means "I am a jam doughnut" (a Berliner is a
type of doughnut). JFK should have said "Ich bin Berliner" or else "Ich bin
aus Berlin" (*from* Berlin).


I studied German in college. But it was sixty years ago, and not being
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?

No difference; as in English - I am Mancunian; I am a Mancunian.
The JFK story is complete tosh. No German would be confused or amused by
the expression. In fact the Pfannkuchen is not known as a Berliner in
the Berlin area.

Here, try this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I%27m_a_doughnut%22_urban_ legend

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Old July 10th 18, 07:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:22:17 +0100, musika
wrote:

On 10/07/2018 16:06, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:49:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"musika" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2018 18:05, Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that perhaps
kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters recognise
neither that nor gasser.

Kirche -church
Gasse - lane/alley/passage
-er - in this case, from ( as in Berlin - Berliner, Hamburg - Hamburger)
Michaela from Church Lane.

Berliner - but never as in "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is a naive literal
translation from English and means "I am a jam doughnut" (a Berliner is a
type of doughnut). JFK should have said "Ich bin Berliner" or else "Ich bin
aus Berlin" (*from* Berlin).


I studied German in college. But it was sixty years ago, and not being
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?

No difference; as in English - I am Mancunian; I am a Mancunian.
The JFK story is complete tosh. No German would be confused or amused by
the expression. In fact the Pfannkuchen is not known as a Berliner in
the Berlin area.

Here, try this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I%27m_a_doughnut%22_urban_ legend


And this:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-hole-truth/
Did John F. Kennedy Proclaim Himself to Be a Jelly Doughnut?

"The notion that President John F. Kennedy referred to himself as a
jelly doughnut in his famous 1963 speech in Berlin, Germany, is an old
and false one."


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Old July 10th 18, 07:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:18:45 -0700, pyotr filipivich
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Ken Blake on Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:06:05 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:49:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"musika" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2018 18:05, Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that perhaps
kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters recognise
neither that nor gasser.

Kirche -church
Gasse - lane/alley/passage
-er - in this case, from ( as in Berlin - Berliner, Hamburg - Hamburger)
Michaela from Church Lane.

Berliner - but never as in "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is a naive literal
translation from English and means "I am a jam doughnut" (a Berliner is a
type of doughnut). JFK should have said "Ich bin Berliner" or else "Ich bin
aus Berlin" (*from* Berlin).




I studied German in college. But it was sixty years ago, and not being
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?


It is much like the difference between saying "I am Danish" and "I
am a Danish."



Interesting. I never thought of that. Thanks.


And FYI: the Danes don't have those "Danish Pastries" except as an
'import'."



Yes I know.
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Old July 10th 18, 07:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:22:17 +0100, musika
wrote:

On 10/07/2018 16:06, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:49:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"musika" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2018 18:05, Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that perhaps
kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters recognise
neither that nor gasser.

Kirche -church
Gasse - lane/alley/passage
-er - in this case, from ( as in Berlin - Berliner, Hamburg - Hamburger)
Michaela from Church Lane.

Berliner - but never as in "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is a naive literal
translation from English and means "I am a jam doughnut" (a Berliner is a
type of doughnut). JFK should have said "Ich bin Berliner" or else "Ich bin
aus Berlin" (*from* Berlin).


I studied German in college. But it was sixty years ago, and not being
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?

No difference; as in English - I am Mancunian; I am a Mancunian.
The JFK story is complete tosh. No German would be confused or amused by
the expression. In fact the Pfannkuchen is not known as a Berliner in
the Berlin area.

Here, try this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I%27m_a_doughnut%22_urban_ legend



Thanks very much.

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Old July 10th 18, 07:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:32:20 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:22:17 +0100, musika
wrote:

On 10/07/2018 16:06, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:49:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"musika" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2018 18:05, Java Jive wrote:
On 09/07/2018 17:32, NY wrote:

My basic O-level German

So how does Michaela Kirkgasser's name translate? I thought that perhaps
kirk was church, as in lowland scots, but online translaters recognise
neither that nor gasser.

Kirche -church
Gasse - lane/alley/passage
-er - in this case, from ( as in Berlin - Berliner, Hamburg - Hamburger)
Michaela from Church Lane.

Berliner - but never as in "Ich bin ein Berliner" which is a naive literal
translation from English and means "I am a jam doughnut" (a Berliner is a
type of doughnut). JFK should have said "Ich bin Berliner" or else "Ich bin
aus Berlin" (*from* Berlin).

I studied German in college. But it was sixty years ago, and not being
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?

No difference; as in English - I am Mancunian; I am a Mancunian.
The JFK story is complete tosh. No German would be confused or amused by
the expression. In fact the Pfannkuchen is not known as a Berliner in
the Berlin area.

Here, try this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#%22I%27m_a_doughnut%22_urban_ legend


And this:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-hole-truth/
Did John F. Kennedy Proclaim Himself to Be a Jelly Doughnut?

"The notion that President John F. Kennedy referred to himself as a
jelly doughnut in his famous 1963 speech in Berlin, Germany, is an old
and false one."




Thanks to you too.
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Old July 10th 18, 08:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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1) powercfg /h on

If error, resize C and make it larger.

If successful, reboot.


Doing this from a run-as-admin command prompt, the command completes
without an error. But when I reboot, hibernation isn't offered in the
Power menu on the Start Menu.

2) In the Power control panel, there is an Advanced setting
for Hybrid Sleep. That must be turned off, in order for
Hibernate to appear in the shutdown menu.

Summary picture he

https://s22.postimg.cc/gv2vfw869/Hibernation_W7.gif


This is the problem: Advanced | Hybrid Sleep is greyed-out so I can't
set it one way or the other.


Does Sleep work ?

There's some command you can use, which will
indicate hardware that isn't supporting sleep
for some reason.

powercfg -requests

https://www.howtogeek.com/131464/how...to-sleep-mode/

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/7638...er-efficiency/

Maybe you'll have to get Sleep working, in
order to switch off Hybrid Sleep and get Hibernate
working.

The powercfg /h on thing should have added
hibernation in a number of places. The hardest
place to get it to appear is in the shutdown menu.

Paul
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Old July 10th 18, 10:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Oh yes! It had never occurred to me that kohl (cabbage) and kohl (the
English, borrowed from German, word for eye shadow) were the same word. I
suppose that when Germans use the word, they have to make it clear from
context which sense they are meaning. I'm sure we have plenty of words
which
have two totally different meanings - can't think of one off the top of
my
head.



There are many. Here's one that just popped into my head: "wound."


Polish. Is it a person, a sausage, or a furniture topping?


I can understand the furniture polish versus adjective relating to Poland,
but in your example I think the person and the sausage are both examples of
the same thing - either a person or a sausage from Poland.

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Old July 10th 18, 10:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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I'm sure we have plenty of words which
have two totally different meanings - can't think of one off the top of my
head.


Cleave - to separate something into two parts. To join together.


Cleave has got to be one of the more bizarre words with a double meaning,
because the two meanings are diametrically opposite.

I tend to think of cleave as meaning to split apart, as in a cleaver, the
huge square-headed chopping knife that butchers use. I'd forgotten about
cleave meaning to join together.

The ultimate word that can be misinterpreted is "inflammable". We are so
used to the prefix "in" meaning "not" (insubstantial, inhumane etc) that
some people think that inflammable is the opposite of flammable - ie, if
something is inflammable, it is not capable of catching fire. Not true
:-( Both words mean the same. Apparently "inflammable" is banned in
safety-related information/signs for this reason - the unambiguous term is
"non-flammable".

Thinking of emergency signs that can be misunderstood, German has the
problem that "not" means "emergency". So "notausgang" means "emergency exit"
but an English person might interpret as "this is not an emergency exit -
look somewhere else for one". I noticed a similar sign "nødudgang" on
certain windows of Norwegian coaches when I was on holiday there, and it's
virtually the same in Swedish and Danish.

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NY wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
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1) powercfg /h on

If error, resize C and make it larger.

If successful, reboot.


Doing this from a run-as-admin command prompt, the command completes
without an error. But when I reboot, hibernation isn't offered in the
Power menu on the Start Menu.

2) In the Power control panel, there is an Advanced setting
for Hybrid Sleep. That must be turned off, in order for
Hibernate to appear in the shutdown menu.

Summary picture he

https://s22.postimg.cc/gv2vfw869/Hibernation_W7.gif


This is the problem: Advanced | Hybrid Sleep is greyed-out so I can't set
it one way or the other.


Does Sleep work ?


Yes, sleep works fine from the Power option on the Start Menu or when
closing the lid of the laptop (where sleep is the defined action for
lid-closing). That suspends the system state and turns off the screen and
HDD (and probably CPU), but it saves it to battery-backed RAM so it is
vulnerable to loss of power (battery goes flat or mains is unplugged).

Hibernate differs in that when the PC saves its system state prior to
turning off, it saves it to disk and so will retain the state even if the
power dies.

Normally it wouldn't matter too much either way. Indeed sleep is faster to
stop/start because it doesn't have to write to / read from disk. But in my
case, with no (working) battery, it's annoying to have to boot from scratch
if I lose power (eg accidentally pull the DC supply lead from the laptop) or
if I need to move the laptop from one room to another.

It's not the end of the world, but it is rather frustrating that hibernate
used to work perfectly, and then it stopped working for no reason that I can
work out.

Weird that there *is* a hiberfil.sys and it has identical size and timestamp
to pagefile.sys

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Old July 10th 18, 11:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , musika
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On 10/07/2018 16:06, Ken Blake wrote:

[]
good at it, I've forgotten a lot. I know about JFK's error, since it
got a lot of publicity at the time. But is "Ich bin ein Berliner"and
"Ich bin Berliner" different? Can you explain why? What does "ein" do
to change the meaning?


As another has said (with the excellent example, for US ears at least,
of [the] Danish), the word can be an adjective or a noun.

No difference; as in English - I am Mancunian; I am a Mancunian.


Not quite a parallel, since (AFAIK) there is no object known as a
Mancunian, other than a person from Manchester.

The JFK story is complete tosh. No German would be confused or amused
by the expression. In fact the Pfannkuchen is not known as a Berliner
in the Berlin area.


Yes, but the speech was reported worldwide, not just in the Berlin area.
[]
I think it might have raised a _slight_ smile in (non-Berlin[er!])
Germans who heard it, if the incongruity occurred to them. However, they
all - Berliners and non-Berliners alike - appreciated the _sentiment_
intended (solidarity with Berlin's situation in the cold war at the
time), and that JFK at least _tried_ to say it in their language,
atrocious American accent notwithstanding. (In much the same way as
Jimmy Carter's attempt a decade or two later to say "Howay the lads" -
support comment for the local football team in north-east England - was
appreciated locally despite _his_ accent being far from local.)
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