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I Agree.
BUT it's the damned COURTS and LEGISLATURES that have done that to Microsoft. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered what MS might've been able to do had they really tried. Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better to write competent utilities than the designer/builder of the O/S? |
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HEMI-Powered wrote:
John John added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare) included a registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's because registry cleaning provides too great risks of damages while doing nothing to improve performance... For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered what MS might've been able to do had they really tried. Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better to write competant utilities than the designer/builder of the O/S? Microsoft didn't write the OneCare utilities, nor did they write the registry cleaner that is mentioned on their web site, these utilities were written by what was previously Giant Software, Microsoft bought them out so that they could expand their business and get into the AV business. If my memory serves me well the total AV business is pegged at about 12 billion dollars a year and it is a market that Microsoft would dearly love to get a share of. Of course Microsoft is rewriting and reassessing the Giant/OneCare utilities that it ships but the bulk of these utilities were not written by Microsoft. Until Giant was bought out by Microsoft many people had never even heard of them before. John |
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You are quite correct---noone owes me any explanations. But your credibility
is so utterly non existent because of the blatant idiotic notions you post without EVER documenting, proving or explaining any of them. " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... well, it makes no difference to me or microsoft or the world. unfortunate for you that no one here owes you any explanations about anything. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "Unknown" wrote in message t... You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not a sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you speed up your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic. " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message ... absolutely.... in fact you can here it directly from the experts he http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm the teams of code writers and testers concur on the above; according to the chat i had with a microsoft technician several months ago. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º . "Unknown" wrote in message t... Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW a register cleaner can improve performance? Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Right! He just wants someone else to do his work for him. DSH " db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message news:%23duS% ... he is a sly one and was just baiting you. if he had such an open mind, he could download the program and test it himself. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not. I'm not trying to sell anything. So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the tests I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and forth caterwauling. I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as managing my stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email or doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses, faster loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster startups and shutdowns. No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed -- No FUD. I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't speak to them. I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary... So, Run Your Own Tests. Bonne Chance! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:56:56 GMT from HEMI-Powered :
I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys, leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a performance increase, though. So your philosophy is "if it ain't broke, fix it anyway"? :-) -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ "If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/ |
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Stan Brown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ... Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:56:56 GMT from HEMI-Powered : I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys, leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a performance increase, though. So your philosophy is "if it ain't broke, fix it anyway"? :-) No, the exact opposite. I didn't say so in this thread, but a Registry scan is part of my periodic malware extensve scans. That makes sense, at least to me, to see if something may have slipped by that I recognize as "bad" but in the process, I clear out the obvious crap. I do NOT go looking just for the sake of looking, ditto for cleaning ever, ditto for performance increases because I don't feel there are any to be gained. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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registry cleaner and back up
CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file
extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it again. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... And improves performance. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. |
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wrote in message
... I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating file extensions .( Use it all the time ) On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron wrote: CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it again. I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went belly-up. |
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I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went belly-up. Perceptive. I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems. Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice. DSH "Olórin" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating file extensions .( Use it all the time ) On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron wrote: CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it again. I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went belly-up. |
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Olórin wrote:
wrote in message ... I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating file extensions .( Use it all the time ) On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron wrote: CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it again. I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went belly-up. Quite possibly the case. It's like when a politician says, "Mistakes were made." :-) |
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went belly-up. Perceptive. I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems. Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice. DSH Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of thing wrong! |
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You were right on the substance.
I don't think he knows what he's talking about. DSH "Olórin" wrote in message ... "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went belly-up. Perceptive. I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems. Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice. DSH Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of thing wrong! |
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Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam? "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... And improves performance. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. |
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CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.
DSH "Edward W. Thompson" wrote in message ... "Linda W" Linda wrote in message ... Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam? snip Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have 'errors' in your Registry you will have problems running the OS and/or program. If you do have these problems Registry Cleaners will not help. What these cleaners term as errors are not errors they are simply entries in the Registry that the 'Cleaners' determine are redundant. Contrary to what many may tell you, these redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have no effect on the operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the size of the Registry but as disk space is the least of problems with modern machines, this is of no consequence. Further, occasionally Registry Cleaners will remove or advise removal of Registry entries that are required for the running of installed programs and if acted upon will require you to reinstall the program. There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may damage the OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this other than hearsay but the overall advice of these programs have the potential of doing harm without doing any good is valid. |
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