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Old April 17th 17, 11:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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Default Virtual XP won't start

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

TIA.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Old April 18th 17, 01:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Virtual XP won't start

Roger Mills wrote:
I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

TIA.


Well, that's a good one. I don't know of any fancy tricks
right off hand.

If it would accept F8, you could try some Safe Mode or
BootLog type stuff. (Not that BootLog is actually useful.)

You could try V2P, and bring it back out to a regular
disk drive. Again, I don't know what the point of that
would be. With activation issues, it's just as likely
to foul up in P land, as for the original fault to
manifest.

You would need to find an OS that mounts VHD files. Mount
the drive, then use Macrium and clone it to a Physical Disk.
If it's a VHDX, there might be fewer mount options. For
example, you can use vhdmount (MS) on WinXP (NTFS C: only),
and it can mount a VHD as if it was a disk drive. And then
you could use Macrium Reflect Free to clone it.

I've rescued myself on more than one occasion, with the
full disk backups I do, that happen to capture my circus
collection of VHD files. And I would go back a few months,
and replace it with that. Most of my VMs aren't used that
heavily, so I probably wouldn't lose too much. It would be
different if a VM was a "daily driver", and then my slack
approach to backups would be a disaster. It takes me all day
to back up everything, which is why it doesn't happen every
day. Nevertheless, my backup collection has come in handy
many times, even if it isn't "minty fresh". Like the time
I backed up Windows 7 drive, two hours later, destroying
C: with a little experiment, and having a nice fresh backup
to rescue it with. I had no inkling at the time I made the
backup, that this could possibly happen.

If it wasn't for activation, the options would be a
bit more positive looking.

Windows can shut down, if lsass or csrss are compromised.
If the OS security systems are not happy, the OS will
not remain running. That seems about as good a reason as
any, for the "lights to go out". I would think though, for
that to happen, wouldn't the desktop have to make an
appearance ? I don't know if it's clever enough to shut
down immediately on sight of trouble.

It occurs to me when reading this, that if the system
actually crashed, you could open the VHD virtual machine
file, with 7ZIP. Use the newest version, for most efficient
access (won't bash the page file quite as bad as older
versions could). Maybe you can find the location of the minidumps,
pull the latest .dmp file, and use dumpchk or Nirsoft
BlueScreenView to get some idea what happened.

https://www.ghacks.net/2007/12/27/cs...-and-lsassexe/

Paul
  #5  
Old April 18th 17, 06:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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Default Virtual XP won't start

On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , ,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?


Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Old April 18th 17, 11:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Virtual XP won't start

In article , ,
Roger Mills says...

On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!


But have you tried removing KB2830477?

--
Duncan.
  #7  
Old April 19th 17, 11:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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Default Virtual XP won't start

On 18/04/2017 23:36, Dave Doe wrote:
In , ,
Roger Mills says...

On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In ,
,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!


But have you tried removing KB2830477?


Not as yet. I looked for it but didn't find it because I didn't realise
that it was that old.

But If I *do* have it, it would have been installed a long time ago -
and VPC has worked ok during that time - so surely, something else must
have changed?
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Roger
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Old April 18th 17, 11:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Virtual XP won't start

In article , ,
Roger Mills says...

On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!


Other than removing KB2830477, when's the last time you check disked
your drive?... chkdsk c: /f from an admin privilege command prompt. I
think that's worth doing as well.

--
Duncan.
  #9  
Old April 19th 17, 11:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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Default Virtual XP won't start

On 18/04/2017 23:38, Dave Doe wrote:
In , ,
Roger Mills says...

On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In ,
,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!


Other than removing KB2830477, when's the last time you check disked
your drive?... chkdsk c: /f from an admin privilege command prompt. I
think that's worth doing as well.


That was one of the first things I did (but without the /f). It didn't
report any problems. FWIW, the disk is an SSD which I installed about a
year ago in place of the HDD - and VPC has been ok with that until now.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Old April 19th 17, 09:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
tesla sTinker
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Default Virtual XP won't start



On 4/18/2017 10:34 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , ,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up
the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!

dont do that..... your system file is likely corrupt. Go change it
manually. Its inside the windows/system folder. There is a backup
that is kept in the same folder with it somewhere, with a funny
extension name. sometimes even more than one of them. Its just a
configuration file that starts up the machine.... Sometimes they get
corrupt. And then, it don't work anymore... its not the update, so you
need to leave that alone...
  #11  
Old April 19th 17, 11:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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Default Virtual XP won't start

On 19/04/2017 21:43, tesla sTinker wrote:


On 4/18/2017 10:34 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 18/04/2017 14:37, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , ,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which
won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up
the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


Indeed. But I've uninstalled the other updates which have been installed
since Virtual XP last worked - to no avail!

dont do that..... your system file is likely corrupt. Go change it
manually. Its inside the windows/system folder. There is a backup that
is kept in the same folder with it somewhere, with a funny extension
name. sometimes even more than one of them. Its just a configuration
file that starts up the machine.... Sometimes they get corrupt. And
then, it don't work anymore... its not the update, so you need to leave
that alone...


So how do I go about restoring the system file?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Old April 18th 17, 11:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dave Doe
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Default Virtual XP won't start

In article , , philo
says...

On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?


Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


It is, but it's known to cause problems with VPC.

If you have it onboard, and VPC isn't working, it's worth removing.

Google 'windows virtual pc and KB2830477' or 'windows virtual pc and
KB2830477 site:microsoft.com' - if ya don't believe me.

You'll probably see on the MS forums that MS supposedly pulled this
update - but I dunno, it still shows up on my W7 PC - and if I allow it
to install, it's bye bye VPC.

--
Duncan.
  #13  
Old April 19th 17, 02:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
philo
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Default Virtual XP won't start

On 04/18/2017 05:35 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , , philo
says...

On 04/17/2017 07:55 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
,
Roger Mills says...

I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

Go into Windows Update and see if you have KB2830477 installed.

If you have, remove it. And try VPC again.




That update is three years old, I would expect a more recent update to
be the possible problem.


It is, but it's known to cause problems with VPC.

If you have it onboard, and VPC isn't working, it's worth removing.

Google 'windows virtual pc and KB2830477' or 'windows virtual pc and
KB2830477 site:microsoft.com' - if ya don't believe me.

You'll probably see on the MS forums that MS supposedly pulled this
update - but I dunno, it still shows up on my W7 PC - and if I allow it
to install, it's bye bye VPC.




Hey, I'd do it...hope it works for the OP
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Old April 21st 17, 10:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Virtual XP won't start

Roger Mills wrote:
I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which won't
run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up the
usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the progress
marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one third of
the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes - and that's
that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it closes, I
would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or something
like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

TIA.


I had a chance to set it up again (WinXP Mode on Win7 Pro).

One setting in there, which is not enabled by default, is Undo Disks.
In theory, that would allow you to back out the changes in the last session.
At this point, I don't think that's too important.

https://s12.postimg.org/u8m1hzf6l/default.gif

Presumably "Undo Disks" is a machine-side instance of Differencing Disks.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...=ws.10%29.aspx

When installed, I see the following.

There is

Windows XP Mode.vmcx (in Virtual Machines)

These are in the folder I uses to store the main VM files.

Windows XP Mode.vhd (main disk)
Windows XP Mode.vmc (control)
Windows XP Mode.vmc.vpcbackup (differencing disk??? not used)

"Integration features"
Windows XP Mode.vsv (2,181,038,080 bytes) (on a 2048MB WinXP VM)

The Integration Features seems to scale with the size of the VM memory
setting, implying it's an outboard hiberfile. In the thread here,
somebody deletes this, to get their machine to start again.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...um=w7itprovirt

The machine is set up to hibernate at the drop of a hat.
And having the hibernation facility outside the machine,
may work faster with the disk drive, than going through
the disk driver in the WinXP Guest. That's my guess as to
why they may have done it that way.

The VPC2007 doesn't have these features, which is why these
didn't come to mind when answering the question the first time.
And if Differencing Disks were enabled for any reason, it
might make the handling of the VM externally (outside
Windows Virtual PC) a lot tougher, for repair purposes.

I'm continuing to test mine at the moment, by blasting in
some Windows Updates.

One thing I notice, is the Terminal Services rendering of the
desktop, works in "fits and starts". If I move the mouse
pointer around in the VM, the stream of events flying into
Terminal Services, keeps the graphical rendering running.
If I stop moving the mouse, and I have the Clock open
in the WinXP Guest, the second hand won't update. If you
then move the mouse, the second hald will "zip around" 20 seconds
worth in one blast. So for some reason, on my Win7Pro setup,
it isn't smooth at all. And the CPU has plenty of horsepower,
and the VM environment only emulates a single core, so the
Guest cannot hog the resources in any practical way.

Summary: Delete the .vsv and retry... You're deleting the
hiberfile when doing that, and Windows could (worst case)
need to tidy up on the next run, using CHKDSK.

Paul
  #15  
Old April 21st 17, 10:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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On 21/04/2017 10:23, Paul wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:
I have a Virtual XP setup for running a few legacy programs which
won't run on W7-64bit. It's on a laptop running W7-PRO 64.

It's been ok for several years, but today it won't start. It puts up
the usual little window saying "Starting Virtual Machine" and the
progress marker starts moving to the right and when it's got about one
third of the way across after about 40 seconds, the window closes -
and that's that. No error messages or anything. At the point when it
closes, I would expect it to say "Starting integration functions" - or
something like that - but it doesn't.

I've re-booted numerous times to no avail. Malwarebytes doesn't find
anything amiss.

Anyone got any suggestions what to try next?

TIA.


I had a chance to set it up again (WinXP Mode on Win7 Pro).

One setting in there, which is not enabled by default, is Undo Disks.
In theory, that would allow you to back out the changes in the last
session.
At this point, I don't think that's too important.

https://s12.postimg.org/u8m1hzf6l/default.gif

Presumably "Undo Disks" is a machine-side instance of Differencing Disks.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...=ws.10%29.aspx

When installed, I see the following.

There is

Windows XP Mode.vmcx (in Virtual Machines)

These are in the folder I uses to store the main VM files.

Windows XP Mode.vhd (main disk)
Windows XP Mode.vmc (control)
Windows XP Mode.vmc.vpcbackup (differencing disk??? not used)

"Integration features"
Windows XP Mode.vsv (2,181,038,080 bytes) (on a 2048MB WinXP VM)

The Integration Features seems to scale with the size of the VM memory
setting, implying it's an outboard hiberfile. In the thread here,
somebody deletes this, to get their machine to start again.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...um=w7itprovirt


The machine is set up to hibernate at the drop of a hat.
And having the hibernation facility outside the machine,
may work faster with the disk drive, than going through
the disk driver in the WinXP Guest. That's my guess as to
why they may have done it that way.

The VPC2007 doesn't have these features, which is why these
didn't come to mind when answering the question the first time.
And if Differencing Disks were enabled for any reason, it
might make the handling of the VM externally (outside
Windows Virtual PC) a lot tougher, for repair purposes.

I'm continuing to test mine at the moment, by blasting in
some Windows Updates.

One thing I notice, is the Terminal Services rendering of the
desktop, works in "fits and starts". If I move the mouse
pointer around in the VM, the stream of events flying into
Terminal Services, keeps the graphical rendering running.
If I stop moving the mouse, and I have the Clock open
in the WinXP Guest, the second hand won't update. If you
then move the mouse, the second hald will "zip around" 20 seconds
worth in one blast. So for some reason, on my Win7Pro setup,
it isn't smooth at all. And the CPU has plenty of horsepower,
and the VM environment only emulates a single core, so the
Guest cannot hog the resources in any practical way.

Summary: Delete the .vsv and retry... You're deleting the
hiberfile when doing that, and Windows could (worst case)
need to tidy up on the next run, using CHKDSK.

Paul



Thanks. I'll have a close look at that.
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Cheers,
Roger
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