If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#91
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-16 20:04:55 +0000, Stijn De Jong said:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:51:16 -0500, nospam wrote: We already tested Preview in detail for this exact purpose way back in 2014 and it failed to do simple screenshot editing tasks. *you* failed. the app did not fail. preview is a very capable tool to make simple edits (and even not so simple), the types of things you've described. it's one of the more underrated apps on a mac. I'm not going to re-hash it out here since it's already well covered in that thread which anyone can read so they can form their own conclusions from the vividly outlined and well described results. Your conclusions were your conclusions. They were certainly not the conclusions of any OSX and Preview user. -- Regards, Savageduck |
Ads |
#92
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-16 20:19:02 +0000, nospam said:
In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. How curved do you need the arrows? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/IMG_1383ca.jpg It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. Preview is probably one of the simokest tooks for doing any annotation. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#93
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-16 21:48:51 +0000, Savageduck said:
On 2017-02-16 20:19:02 +0000, nospam said: In article , Stijn De Jong wrote: nonsense. it's incredibly easy to create arrows and quite a bit more. as usual, you failed and are blaming others. view the annotate menu: https://www.cisdem.com/resource/atta...te-a-pdf-mac-p review.jpg or directly from the toolbar: http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shapes-button.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Preview-wild-text.png http://tidbits.com/resources/2016-04/Shape-color.png it doesn't get any easier than that. All decent editing apps have a GUI for each of the critical tasks: 0. Cropping area 1. Adding canvas and text 2. Adding bounding boxes 3. Adding curved and straight arrows preview does all that, with the exception of curved arrows, a very minor issue. How curved do you need the arrows? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/Demo/IMG_1383ca.jpg It's *how* they accomplish those tasks that differs, and what basic options they provide for the results which matter. preview is as easy as it gets. Preview is probably one of the simokest tooks for doing any annotation. ....er, phingr phawlt: Should read; Preview is probably one of the simplest tools for doing any annotation. -- Regards, Savageduck |
#94
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article 2017021613485129064-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote: preview is as easy as it gets. Preview is probably one of the simokest tooks for doing any annotation. i can safely say that i don't know of any other app that is simokest in any way. preview holds that title. |
#95
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On 2017-02-16 22:05:50 +0000, nospam said:
In article 2017021613485129064-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: preview is as easy as it gets. Preview is probably one of the simokest tooks for doing any annotation. i can safely say that i don't know of any other app that is simokest in any way. preview holds that title. On my kiebord anyway. ;-) -- Regards, Savageduck |
#96
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
"nospam" wrote
| Then what free RAW program is he going to use to | batch-process those images? UFRaw? That's the only | one I know of and after trying it I bought Aftershot Pro. | | no need to restrict oneself to free, especially since the apps are | typically a couple of bucks. | No, but that was the question. He asked for info about free tools on windows to do editing. SD is ignoring that and coming up with Mac and/or paid options, which just confuses things. | raw is definitely overkill for photos posted to an email list, Indeed. There was no reason to bring it up and complicate the issue. |
#97
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
"Stijn De Jong" wrote
| The only thing I don't know about Irfanview is what *order* it batches | things, so, for example, if I click the buttons to both crop and convert | the JPG to TIF, I don't know the order that Irfanview does that set of | operations. | Yes. I wondered about that. To play it safe I'd convert all first in a single operation. Then resize. |
#98
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | Then what free RAW program is he going to use to | batch-process those images? UFRaw? That's the only | one I know of and after trying it I bought Aftershot Pro. | | no need to restrict oneself to free, especially since the apps are | typically a couple of bucks. | No, but that was the question. He asked for info about free tools on windows to do editing. SD is ignoring that and coming up with Mac and/or paid options, which just confuses things. there is no confusion. this particular person refuses to even consider any paid options even when they do *exactly* what he's asking for. he prefers to sludge along with the most convoluted ****ed up workflows anyone could possibly imagine (based on his comments in other threads). | raw is definitely overkill for photos posted to an email list, Indeed. There was no reason to bring it up and complicate the issue. actually, it was relevant. |
#99
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:06:51 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
| no need to restrict oneself to free, especially since the apps are | typically a couple of bucks. | No, but that was the question. He asked for info about free tools on windows to do editing. SD is ignoring that and coming up with Mac and/or paid options, which just confuses things. | raw is definitely overkill for photos posted to an email list, Indeed. There was no reason to bring it up and complicate the issue. An intelligently scientific person can easily find freeware on all the platforms that batch converts, resizes, re-canvasses, and renames JPG files, and then that same intelligently scientific person can find freeware that allows him to manually annotate the JPEGs with bounding boxes, arrows, and captions. But it takes effort to find the best freeware to do the job. With a lot less effort, anyone can buy payware such as Photoshop, which would be worthless if it couldn't do the simple tasks listed above. I happen to know the best freeware on all three platforms that does the job; but that's only because I've been doing this for decades, and I have an experimental mind. Most people, like nospam, make conclusions that are based on never having used the products he says his choice is better than. So be it. I'm not here to quibble with him, nor with anyone else. I won't respond further to these philosophical debates, as they are off topic to the main concern. The main concern requires more effort on my part to prove since I need to run the experiment on my own JPEG files, which takes effort to line up and do correctly and document the results. Thanks for understanding. |
#100
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:38:32 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
Your conclusions were your conclusions. They were certainly not the conclusions of any OSX and Preview user. The problem is a simple scientific issue. On the Usenet, there are extremely few scientifically valid "studies". Did those people you speak of try all the tools on all three platforms? Do you know the answer to that question? If the answer is no, then how can you say that their "guesses" are valid? Did I try all the suggested tools on all three platforms? Of course I did. And I supplied plenty of screenshots to verify that. For example, here's a similar sub-thread on the alt.os.linux newsgroup on October 30, 2013, one year before that thread on the mac newsgroup. Straightforward use model for drawing arrows using freeware image editors https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ux/PSsVG2pNNsY Here are some arrows drawn using the suggested Linux tools: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3801/1...ca6d6fa5_o.png You long know me so you know that I have Windows and Linux and you know that at the time of testing, I had a Mac in my hands. So, clearly, you know I have tried all the tools on all the platforms (Windows, Linux, and Mac). I doubt many people have tried all the suggested tools on all the suggested platform, so, how can you trust their judgment when they haven't even *tried* the tools that they says their method is better than? Anyway, we don't need to rehash what Preview (or any of the suggested Mac apps) can do, since the aforementioned thread covered that topic already in gory detail. |
#101
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: An intelligently scientific person can easily find freeware on all the platforms that batch converts, resizes, re-canvasses, and renames JPG files, and then that same intelligently scientific person can find freeware that allows him to manually annotate the JPEGs with bounding boxes, arrows, and captions. But it takes effort to find the best freeware to do the job. effort which is much better spent elsewhere, namely *doing* the job rather than searching. With a lot less effort, anyone can buy payware such as Photoshop, which would be worthless if it couldn't do the simple tasks listed above. that's the point. what's your time worth? if your time is worth nothing, then go wild looking for freeware. meanwhile, a few bucks to get an app that does exactly what is needed is money well spent. while photoshop can do what you describe, it's the wrong choice for *just* those tasks and nobody suggested it unless the person already has it (which most people do, given that it's the most popular image editor and most pirated app). I happen to know the best freeware on all three platforms that does the job; but that's only because I've been doing this for decades, and I have an experimental mind. your mind is not even close to experimental. anytime anyone suggests something, you reject it and go off on a rant, like you're doing now. Most people, like nospam, make conclusions that are based on never having used the products he says his choice is better than. So be it. I'm not here to quibble with him, nor with anyone else. bull****. I won't respond further to these philosophical debates, as they are off topic to the main concern. The main concern requires more effort on my part to prove since I need to run the experiment on my own JPEG files, which takes effort to line up and do correctly and document the results. the only reason you need to experiment is because you refuse to learn from others who have already figured it out. |
#102
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
In article , Stijn De Jong
wrote: Your conclusions were your conclusions. They were certainly not the conclusions of any OSX and Preview user. The problem is a simple scientific issue. On the Usenet, there are extremely few scientifically valid "studies". Did those people you speak of try all the tools on all three platforms? Do you know the answer to that question? it's *you* who didn't try what was suggested. you just kept on babbling that preview can't do it despite *multiple* people telling you that it can and do so very easily, for free, and even showing you exactly *how*. |
#103
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:41:20 +0100, android wrote:
I just tried those mentioned above. They work dandy fine! :-/ I can hand you a dozen kits, where they all supposedly do the same thing, but some fly better than others, even though they all have the same basic parts. In that light, I have just one simple question specifically for you. QUESTION FOR "android" only: Have you ever used the arrowing commands in Paint.NET? No. Why would I? I have to smile because I just responded why to Savageduck who said that plenty of Mac users said their tool was better, but, I responded to Savageduck that there was zero evidence that those people made those conclusions after testing the aforementioned Windows or Linux tools. The evidence abounds by those who know me that I have used all the suggested tools on all the platforms (windows, mac, and linux), so, I have to smile whenever someone makes a pronouncement that their favorite tool is better than some other tool that they've never once used. It's just funny. So many people lack scientific thought processes that it's just funny. The guy "nospam" is classic that way. Absolutely nothing he ever says is backed up by actual fact. He just makes it all up. HINT: You can't reasonably assert one tool is better than another for simple things like arrowing unless you have actually tried each of them (or, at the very least, researched them in detail). |
#104
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:09:05 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
Yes. I wondered about that. To play it safe I'd convert all first in a single operation. Then resize. I like the way you think. You exhibit scientific thought processes. I agree with your view that it would be "safer" on Windows to do the batch conversion to TIF first, and not mix that conversion with other operations which may take temporal precedence in the Irfanview algorithm. On Linux, it's far easier to just bring the conversion step higher up in the batch process since I use shell scripts (some of which I have posted here many years ago). |
#105
|
|||
|
|||
Why exactly does Paint.NET make bigger files than Irfanview?
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:52:02 -0500, Tony Cooper
wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:38:04 -0500, Neil wrote: On 2/15/2017 10:46 PM, Mayayana wrote: "Stijn De Jong" wrote | Here is where I get the word "canvas" from. | | When I need a colored (usually white) area on the side (usually bottom) of | an image for a caption, I can use either Irfanview or Paint.NET to create | that white space, both of which refer to the white space as a "canvas". | Do you call it something else? Canvas seems fine. I just never noticed the term before. If I'm adding a white stripe I would paste the image onto a larger white image and merge the two. If I need a white stripe in the existing image I'd paint it with a shapes tool. I guess I've never conceptually thought of the abstraction of a canvas that holds the image. I'm always thinking in terms of a bitmap because in actual practice that's what it always is. "Adding canvas" would be accomplished by painting a bitmap onto a second larger bitmap, just because that's how Windows graphics works. It is not any more a Windows graphics convention than it is for any other OS. The early digital "paint" programs (I'm referring to the 1970s) carried over many terms and concepts from physical painting techniques, where artists often painted on "canvases", in order to help them adapt to the tools used in those programs. It is in that same context that "adding canvas" would mean increasing the overall pixel grid size while retaining the original image dimensions. Adobe Photoshop has a drop-down that allows the user to adjust the "Canvas Size". I see nothing wrong or unusual about using the word "Canvas" to describe the overall image. In fact it is a useful way of distinguishing the size of the image from the larger 'canvas' upon which it is printed. For some applications I like applying a faux penciled note on a plain white border around the image. I do this after editing by collapsing the image at its intended size (layers, masks and all). I then expand the canvas size to suit that of the intended print. Only then do I write my note on the plain white canvas which surrounds the image. At this point the whole lot can be saved and sent to the printer. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|