firefox

John,

Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type

The question is: what *other* certificate error does it now suppress.

It would not be funny if its somehow also tied to SSL (HTTPS) certificates
(which a quick google shows it is) ...

Ref:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...king-for-sites

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)

Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut, John:

"C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application
Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type

Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors --test-type

, and I've just tried it - and the nag did not appear!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them
absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

R.Wieser wrote:
John,

Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type

The question is: what *other* certificate error does it now suppress.

It would not be funny if its somehow also tied to SSL (HTTPS) certificates
(which a quick google shows it is) ...

Ref:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...king-for-sites

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each
time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)

Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut,
John:

"C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application
Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type
Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type , and I've just tried it - and the nag did not appear!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them
absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

Bill,

Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

Not really much of a risk, provided you are not using your 'puter for
on-line banking or the like.

But now you know what the (unwanted I presume) side effects are, and can
make an *informed* decision.

One question though: Couldn't you install something like GreaseMonkey and
just cut the popup outof the HTML page ? That would at least not come
with uninteded consequences ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




"Bill in Co" wrote in message
...
Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

R.Wieser wrote:
John,

Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type

The question is: what *other* certificate error does it now suppress.

It would not be funny if its somehow also tied to SSL (HTTPS)
certificates
(which a quick google shows it is) ...

Ref:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...king-for-sites

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP, just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each
time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)

Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut,
John:

"C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application
Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type
Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type , and I've just tried it - and the nag did not appear!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them
absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

In message , R.Wieser
writes:
Bill,

Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

Not really much of a risk, provided you are not using your 'puter for
on-line banking or the like.

But now you know what the (unwanted I presume) side effects are, and can
make an *informed* decision.

One question though: Couldn't you install something like GreaseMonkey and
just cut the popup outof the HTML page ? That would at least not come
with uninteded consequences ...
[]
The popup (actually down) in question - a note that Chrome is no longer
[something: I can't remember whether "supported" or "going to get
updates"] on XP - appears over whatever web page you open Chrome on (in
my case "same tabs as when I closed it"), so unless GreaseMonkey can
spot it regardless of webpage (maybe it can; I've not used it), it
wouldn't help.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

gazing at someone in distress is prurient and rude.
- Alison Graham, RT 2015/6/20-26

John,

so unless GreaseMonkey can spot it regardless of webpage (maybe it can;
I've not used it), it wouldn't help.

It can. :-)

In fact, that is one of my scripts. A generic one throwing stuff away which
is present on many sites (like a number of "social media" buttons I have no
use for and which I regard of "come track me!" beacons I abhor), and a
couple more to do some site-specific scrubbing.

So, in that regard GreaseMonkey is up to the task.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- O(rigional message:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , R.Wieser
writes:
Bill,

Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

Not really much of a risk, provided you are not using your 'puter for
on-line banking or the like.

But now you know what the (unwanted I presume) side effects are, and can
make an *informed* decision.

One question though: Couldn't you install something like GreaseMonkey and
just cut the popup outof the HTML page ? That would at least not come
with uninteded consequences ...
[]
The popup (actually down) in question - a note that Chrome is no longer
[something: I can't remember whether "supported" or "going to get
updates"] on XP - appears over whatever web page you open Chrome on (in my
case "same tabs as when I closed it"), so unless GreaseMonkey can spot it
regardless of webpage (maybe it can; I've not used it), it wouldn't help.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

gazing at someone in distress is prurient and rude.
- Alison Graham, RT 2015/6/20-26

In message , R.Wieser
writes:
John,

so unless GreaseMonkey can spot it regardless of webpage (maybe it can;
I've not used it), it wouldn't help.

It can. :-)

In fact, that is one of my scripts. A generic one throwing stuff away which
is present on many sites (like a number of "social media" buttons I have no
use for and which I regard of "come track me!" beacons I abhor), and a
couple more to do some site-specific scrubbing.

So, in that regard GreaseMonkey is up to the task.
[]
Thanks; I might look into it. In Firefox, I use Ghostery, which gets rid
of lots of that sort of button; must look to see if it's available for
Chrome. (I also have something-analytics in my hosts file. Though pages
still seem to stop while they wait for it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23

Thanks Rudy. I guess this is something I should look into, and wasn't even
aware of..

I see there is another one called "Tampermonkey" that can work on more
browsers too, and even Android based devices, it seems.

So if I understand this right, this app allows users to write some scripts
to block some undesireable javascripts on any website, and might even work
on an Android tablet? THAT would be really nice, as on my Android tablet,
you can't download or use any browser "add ons" like you can with the
desktop versions of the browsers.

R.Wieser wrote:
Bill,

Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

Not really much of a risk, provided you are not using your 'puter for
on-line banking or the like.

But now you know what the (unwanted I presume) side effects are, and can
make an *informed* decision.

One question though: Couldn't you install something like GreaseMonkey and
just cut the popup outof the HTML page ? That would at least not come
with uninteded consequences ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




"Bill in Co" wrote in message
...
Well, at least for me, I'm willing to take the risk, since that annoying
popup otherwise just drives me batty. :-)

R.Wieser wrote:
John,

Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type

The question is: what *other* certificate error does it now suppress.

It would not be funny if its somehow also tied to SSL (HTTPS)
certificates
(which a quick google shows it is) ...

Ref:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...king-for-sites

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
were quoting someone else. But of course Chrome _does_ run on XP,
just
not the latest version. (Mine's "Version 49.0.2623.112 m", and gives
a
pop-down "This computer will no longer receive Google Chrome updates
because Windows XP and Windows Vista are no longer supported." each
time
it starts; since I now know that, anyone know how to suppress it? It
goes after a few seconds, but is still a [minor] irritant.)

Try adding these switches at the end for the target in the shortcut,
John:

"C:\Documents and Settings\{user name}\Local Settings\Application
Data\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type
Thanks! My QuickStart icon now has

"C:\Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" --ignore-certificate-errors
--test-type , and I've just tried it - and the nag did not appear!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them
absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

John

I use Ghostery, which gets rid of lots of that sort of button;

I myself am using RequestPolicy, NoScript and GreaseMonkey.

The first takes care of all sorts of third-party resources (blocks all
"beacon" and those 1x1 "you can't see me" tracker images as well as all
kinds advertisement (google) scripts). The second one takes care of scripts
still coming from the web-page or -site itself, and the third one gives me
the chance to do some additional (GUI) scrubbing/altering.

Yes, there is a bit of overlap there, but better blocked multiple times than
once to few. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , R.Wieser
writes:
John,

so unless GreaseMonkey can spot it regardless of webpage (maybe it can;
I've not used it), it wouldn't help.

It can. :-)

In fact, that is one of my scripts. A generic one throwing stuff away
which
is present on many sites (like a number of "social media" buttons I have
no
use for and which I regard of "come track me!" beacons I abhor), and a
couple more to do some site-specific scrubbing.

So, in that regard GreaseMonkey is up to the task.
[]
Thanks; I might look into it. In Firefox, I use Ghostery, which gets rid
of lots of that sort of button; must look to see if it's available for
Chrome. (I also have something-analytics in my hosts file. Though pages
still seem to stop while they wait for it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By the very definition of "news," we hear very little about the dominant
threats to our lives, and the most about the rarest, including terror.
"LibertyMcG" alias Brian P. McGlinchey, 2013-7-23

Bill,

Thanks Rudy. I guess this is something I should look into, and wasn't
even aware of..

You're welcome. :-)

So if I understand this right, this app allows users to write some scripts
to block some undesireable javascripts on any website,

You can tell it to do almost *anything*, including-but-not-only killing off
scripts. From the server itself, third-party, inline or "onclick" and
family, you name it. If you want you can even replace them.

The JavaScripting GreaseMonkey uses together with some functionality the
browser exposes to work with the HTML document itself you can write a script
to search for anything-and-everything, and remove/alter it to your liking.

and even Android based devices, it seems.

I have only used in FF on my PC, so I have no idea on which platrforms and
browsers it will (still*) work.

*there is some talk that the newest version of ... IIRC FireFox will not
allow just any kind of extension anymore.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"Bill in Co" wrote in message
...
Thanks Rudy. I guess this is something I should look into, and wasn't
even
aware of..

I see there is another one called "Tampermonkey" that can work on more
browsers too, and even Android based devices, it seems.

So if I understand this right, this app allows users to write some scripts
to block some undesireable javascripts on any website, and might even work
on an Android tablet? THAT would be really nice, as on my Android
tablet,
you can't download or use any browser "add ons" like you can with the
desktop versions of the browsers.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:24:53 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Firefox has become bloatware, and isd always "not responding" or
crashing.

Someone, perhaps in this NG, recommended Maxthon, which seems a
promising alternative. It certainly seems to crash less often than
Firefox.

http://i.maxthon.com/


--
Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com

Steve Hayes on Sun, 17 Sep 2017 06:50:04 +0200
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:24:53 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Firefox has become bloatware, and isd always "not responding" or
crashing.

Someone, perhaps in this NG, recommended Maxthon, which seems a
promising alternative. It certainly seems to crash less often than
Firefox.

http://i.maxthon.com/

I've been using PaleMoon - a Firefox "fork"

--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Steve Hayes on Sun, 17 Sep 2017 06:50:04 +0200
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:24:53 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will
end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue
XP
support?

Firefox has become bloatware, and isd always "not responding" or
crashing.

Someone, perhaps in this NG, recommended Maxthon, which seems a
promising alternative. It certainly seems to crash less often than
Firefox.

http://i.maxthon.com/

I've been using PaleMoon - a Firefox "fork"

Same here, you just need to get an older special build version for XP, as
PaleMoon has also dropped support for XP. (Those versions are the
"Atom/WinXP" versions).

Steve,

Firefox has become bloatware, and isd always "not responding"
or crashing.

I hope you do realize you do not *have* to have the latest version installed
? You could simply decide to take the last version of FF which was, in your
opinion, still worth anything and keep using that. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
"Steve Hayes" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:24:53 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will
end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Firefox has become bloatware, and isd always "not responding" or
crashing.

Someone, perhaps in this NG, recommended Maxthon, which seems a
promising alternative. It certainly seems to crash less often than
Firefox.

http://i.maxthon.com/


--
Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
http://khanya.wordpress.com

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 17 Sep 2017 06:50:04
+0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:24:53 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

I was just wondering if anyone else usese firefox here. I have 'esr'
whatever that is. 53.2.0 or so. Anyone happen to know if XP support will end
soon; and if so any other browsers out there that are going to continue XP
support?

Firefox has become bloatware, and isd always "not responding" or
crashing.

IME it's been doing that for years.

I installed Session Manager, which doesn't stop this but gives more
versatility on recovery. Although some of the options are somewhat
confusing.

Still, it got so bad that on my XP netbook with only 1gig RAM, I
switched to Sea Monkey. It too gave not responding but only after twice
as many tabs were open.

On my Desktop, I installed another 4gigs RAM. With 4 gig, using task
manager I could get up to about 1.7gigs in use by Firefox, so of course
with 4 more gig, I should be able to go up to 5.7gigs, right? Wrong.
2.2 or 2.3 is about how high it gets before Not Responding, though
sometimes I've had the problem at from 1.8 to tonight for the first
time 2.8 gigs before it stops working, based on what Task Manager says.
I don't have any more crashes at least.

I also set a Firefox option to not load tabs until I open them. I
forget how they phrase it.

This means when restarting FF, only the one tab in each window that, I
guess the one that was open when I last closed it. BUT if I go to a tab
to see what it is so I can close it, if it was not loaded before** it
loads when I go to it, so I've learned to right click on the tab adn
then close it without ever loading it.

A while back I had the feeling that tabs would unload when you clicked
on another tab, because when I first clicked on them, they were always
blank and then they filled out in a second or two, too little time in
DSL to re-download. It would be a good thing to do that if that freed
up ram and delayed freezing,but I dont' think I've seen that lately and
maybe that wasnt' true.



Someone, perhaps in this NG, recommended Maxthon, which seems a
promising alternative. It certainly seems to crash less often than
Firefox.

http://i.maxthon.com/

micky wrote:

On my Desktop, I installed another 4gigs RAM.

1 GB + 4 GB = 5 GB. Really? Bet what you did was /remove/ the 1 GB
module and put in four 1 GB, two 2 GB, or one 4 GB module.


With 4 gig, using task manager I could get up to about 1.7gigs in use
by Firefox, so of course with 4 more gig, I should be able to go up
to 5.7gigs, right? Wrong.

"Windows XP" without any bitwidth qualifier means the 32-bit version,
not the 64-bit version based off Windows 2003 Server, crippled to XP
functionality, and with the XP desktop. With Windows XP 32-bit, you
only get 3 GB for user-mode processes. However, that's for ALL
user-mode processes. Any particular 32-bit user-mode process can only
access a maximum of 2 GB: 2^(32-1). The OS sucks up the other 1 GB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_GB_barrier
http://www.brianmadden.com/opinion/T...it-really-mean

A while back I had the feeling that tabs would unload when you clicked
on another tab,

Why? All that downloading to put the page in the cache and then just
toss it away?

because when I first clicked on them, they were always
blank and then they filled out in a second or two, too little time in
DSL to re-download. It would be a good thing to do that if that freed
up ram and delayed freezing,but I dont' think I've seen that lately and
maybe that wasnt' true.

There are add-ons to unload tabs, like OneTab. There was another one
but been too long since I last looked at it.

Doesn't Session Manager have that (session save state)? Since you're
using it, you're confusing its functions that it adds that Firefox
doesn't. Since Session Manager claims to duplicate the session manager
in Tab Mix Plus, I'm guess Tab Mix Plus also has a session manager.