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"BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. I understand. But I see no benefit to "install the new Windows from the previous Windows". Chris |
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"BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean installation from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well. Chris What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on the new Windows won't be drive C. Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never "Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation. Chris |
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On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, Chris S. wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean installation from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well. Chris What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on the new Windows won't be drive C. Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never "Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation. Never did, ah? So you reinstall your applications, utilities, and setting all from scratch? How many hours does that take? -- Bill Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 |
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On 12/6/2012 4:05 PM, Chris S. wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. I understand. But I see no benefit to "install the new Windows from the previous Windows". I think it originally started when you installed Windows from MS-DOS. As during a Windows install from MS-DOS, you usually only had access of only 640kb of memory. And DOS had taken part of that, so something like 500kb free. So it would take forever to install. But if you installed from a previous Windows which could use far more memory, it was tons faster. -- Bill Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 |
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"BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, Chris S. wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean installation from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well. Chris What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on the new Windows won't be drive C. Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never "Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation. Never did, ah? So you reinstall your applications, utilities, and setting all from scratch? How many hours does that take? When I move to a "new" Operating System, yes I do re-install, and probably update the applications and utilities. "WET" helps significantly. This doesn't happen often as I don't have two dozen old computers strewn about. Certainly no more than yearly. Chris |
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On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not- lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave Partition 2 empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7, Partition 2 is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the first time it did that until I figured out what happened. 100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is always C, Done it many times. Rene YES! +1 Chris Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft says, it does not. Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me. Rene You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run the disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so. Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot what You Thought.. That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer experience because if you did you would care. ;-) BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor. Rene |
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On 12/6/2012 4:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not- lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave Partition 2 empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7, Partition 2 is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the first time it did that until I figured out what happened. 100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is always C, Done it many times. Rene YES! +1 Chris Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft says, it does not. Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me. Rene You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run the disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so. Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot what You Thought.. That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer experience because if you did you would care. ;-) BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor. Then why don't you care? -- Bill Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 |
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On 12/6/2012 4:55 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 12/6/2012 4:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not- lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave Partition 2 empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7, Partition 2 is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the first time it did that until I figured out what happened. 100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is always C, Done it many times. Rene YES! +1 Chris Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft says, it does not. Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me. Rene You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run the disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so. Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot what You Thought.. That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer experience because if you did you would care. ;-) BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor. Then why don't you care? Care about what? what you think or what Micrsoft tells you to do to install or dualboot Windows? And I didn't say I didn't care, I said I don't Give A hoot. :-)) And Yes When I do a clean new install I want all new updated Apps and drivers. consequently I never get all these blue screens and lockups that people complain about. And No it doesn't take all that long to do. Regards, Rene |
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BillW50 wrote:
Is that so, Gene? I've done it dozens of times and I know you are wrong. Sorry, he's right, you're wrong. Say you have two partitions. The last one is empty (where you plan on installing Windows 7 let's say) and the first one has XP installed. Microsoft tells you to run the Windows 7 install setup.exe under XP. So you're doing it wrong, no wonder you have such weird ideas about what happens! You turn off the pc, restart and boot in the Windows CD, tell it to install on your selected partition (I chose "G" because D, E and F are in use) it installs, designates that partition as drive "C" and assigns your former partition a new drive letter (like maybe "F") and you now have 2 "C" drives. If I boot Win7 it boots drive 0, partition 1 which is "C" to Windows 7, if I boot Win8 it boots drive 0, partition 4 which is drive "C" to Windows 8 and all work to perfection. NOTE: Zaphod Beeblebrox probably explained it more clearly but that's the advantage of having two heads, he can proofread his own posts.... The ONLY caveat, to set up a dual, triple, quadruple, etc. boot, IF you want MSFT to set it up automatically you MUST install the oldest OS first, otherwise you'll have to use BCDedit to set things up. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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BillW50 wrote:
Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft says, it does not. Microsoft says "Turn off your PC and reboot on the install CD" -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On 12/6/2012 4:28 PM, Chris S. wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, Chris S. wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:59 PM, Chris S. wrote: "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. I can't imagine installing Windows any other way than with a clean installation from the booted DVD. Allowing the setup to format the drive as well. Chris What can I tell you, that works great of course. But Microsoft tells you otherwise. They tell you to run setup.exe on the install disc from the first installed Windows. That too works great if you to upgrade the previous Windows, but not for dualbooting as the drive letters on the new Windows won't be drive C. Hmmm... Never read such a statement from Microsoft. But then I never "Upgrade" a Windows OS. Always a clean installation. Never did, ah? So you reinstall your applications, utilities, and setting all from scratch? How many hours does that take? When I move to a "new" Operating System, yes I do re-install, and probably update the applications and utilities. "WET" helps significantly. This doesn't happen often as I don't have two dozen old computers strewn about. Certainly no more than yearly. Oh man! Back in the 80's and 90's it wasn't too bad installing from scratch. But around 2001, I said I had enough of this nonsense. Back in the early days when the system got unstable, no big deal, just reinstall everything. Later, it wasn't so easy to do so. Previously, I never worried about backing up my OS or applications, as you can always reinstall. Only backing up the data was important. Nowadays it is so much worse. Now I own applications with keys that can only be activated once and then the keys are useless. And if you need to reinstall someday, that key is useless and you have to buy another key or plead your case with customer service (yes I have lost with customer service before, so it doesn't always work). And worse, some keys won't allow hardware changes, cloning to a new drive, etc. So starting fresh is really bad for me most of the time. Maybe you have better luck in that department than I do. Sure I can do it, but I might have to give up stuff unless I pony up and pay again. So how long does it take for you to start from scratch again? I've been using this new Dell Latitute Slate Tablet for two days now with Windows 7 preinstalled without all of my favorite stuff. I don't have everything I want on it of course. Plus I already paid Microsoft for an upgrade for Windows 8 on this machine and I haven't done it yet. SO whatever I do on this machine might not matter since it might be running Windows 8 later. It might never happen, but at least I have a Windows 8 key if I do. -- Bill Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 |
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 4:55 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 4:48 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 4:10 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:49 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:32 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:16 PM, BillW50 wrote: On 12/6/2012 3:11 PM, Chris S. wrote: "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 2:23 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:05 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not- lid wrote in article 1mlf7b0faa4km ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Yup, exactly so. Install XP to Drive 1 Partition 1, leave Partition 2 empty. XP assigns C: to Partition 1 and D: to Partition 2. Install Windows 7 to Partition 2, and when you boot into Windows 7, Partition 2 is C: and Partition 1 is D:. Confused the daylights out of me the first time it did that until I figured out what happened. 100% correct, drive letters reversed so your boot drive is always C, Done it many times. Rene YES! +1 Chris Only true if you boot from the Windows install disc. If you do it the Microsoft way and run setup.exe from the first Windows like Microsoft says, it does not. Don't know what your doing wrong but it works fine for me. Rene You ran the Windows install disc from boot up, right? You didn't run the disc from the first Windows, right? Yes, I thought so. Wrong, and what you "thought" isn't so, and besides I don't give a hoot what You Thought.. That is ok Rene, as I also know you don't have 30+ years of computer experience because if you did you would care. ;-) BillW50 , Try 37 years, Started on a Honeywell Alpha 2000 Programed in Octal, Teletype RO35 as a Hard monitor. Then why don't you care? Care about what? what you think or what Micrsoft tells you to do to install or dualboot Windows? And I didn't say I didn't care, I said I don't Give A hoot. :-)) And Yes When I do a clean new install I want all new updated Apps and drivers. consequently I never get all these blue screens and lockups that people complain about. And No it doesn't take all that long to do. Regards, Rene Totally correct thinking, Rene! I agree wholeheartedly. A pristine installation is the only way to go. I had a similar career start as you did over 40 years ago. SDS 910 (Later Xerox) programmed in Octal to make it a beam controller for the then new NBS Linear Accelerator. (LINAC) Chris |
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just tryed win8 at computer store
"Chris S." wrote:
But I see no benefit to "install the new Windows from the previous Windows". That's how you upgrade, not how you install a different OS. BillW50 is mistaken when he says "that's how MSFT tells you do do it" when my PC tells me to reboot on the install PC if I don't want to upgrade. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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just tryed win8 at computer store
D0-P2 was installed from DO-P1 o/s (XP) by inserting the full version W7Pro DVD and running setup.
D1-P1 was installed by booting the W7Pro DVD (from a different W7 Pro DVD) -- ....winston msft mvp "BillW50" wrote in message ... On 12/6/2012 3:42 PM, ..winston wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:34:24 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Careful son! You got it all wrong! Microsoft tells you to install the other Windows while the first one is still running. And if you do it this way, there is no way the second Windows can be on Drive C if the first one is on drive C. Au contraire; AFAIK, Windows can assign drive letters differently under each boot. Gene you are correct. The drive lettering is dynamic. The o/s that is loaded from the multi-boot menu in a multi-boot system will be C:\ the other partitions will be assigned later drive letters. Nor does it matter if the o/s reside on the same or different drives. As an example - http://sdrv.ms/TVH8N2 Picture shows a triple boot system (one XP, and two Windows 7 Pro's) currently booted to one of the Win7 (Drive C. The other o/s are XP (Drive D: and Win7 Pro4Beta Drive E. Note the labeling that shows the Disk and Partition (D0, D1 are the separate disks, P1 and P2 the partition on those disks) First Disk is D0 and has two operating systems XP on P1 (first partition), Win7 on P2 (second partition). Second Disk is D1 and has one operating system Win7 on P1 (first partition) Currently (shown in pic) loaded o/s is Win7 on Disk 0 (D0) and Partition 2 (P2) and is drive C: with XP (D0, P1) becoming drive D:, and Win7 (D1, P1) drive E: If XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 would be drive E: If Win7 on Disk 1 Partition 1 was loaded it becomes drive C:, XP on Disk 0 Partition 1 would be drive D: and Win7 on Disk 0 Partition 2 would E: i.e. drives letters are dynamic, not static. Only true if you install dualboot with the new Windows from the install disc. If you install the new Windows from the previous Windows, it does not. -- Bill Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('11 era) - Thunderbird v12 Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB - Windows 7 SP1 |
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