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Old August 11th 15, 04:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?

Char Jackson wrote on 08/10/2015 5:38 PM:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:57:08 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

(PeteCresswell) wrote on 08/10/2015 2:16 PM:
Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop.

It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of
that.

My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for
instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible,
7.

What think Those Who Know?

Ask them if they'd like a MSFT operating system that stop receiving
security updates in 4.33 years.

If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.


As pollsters know, you can usually get the answer you want if you ask the
question in the right way. Above, if the intent is to encourage someone to
choose 8 or 10, that's a good question to ask. OTOH, given what we know
about 8 and 10, they are both immediately disqualified for consideration,
making the choice an easy one.

It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in
4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving
security updates on the same device.

I'd be willing to take that bet....that purchasing a new device with an
expectation of the o/s being supported for security patches more than
4.33 years, your advice would be ignored by the majority (in fact, it
probably already is starting to lean in that direction more than it was
13 days ago).





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Old August 11th 15, 06:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:59:58 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote on 08/10/2015 5:38 PM:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:57:08 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

(PeteCresswell) wrote on 08/10/2015 2:16 PM:
Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop.

It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of
that.

My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for
instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible,
7.

What think Those Who Know?

Ask them if they'd like a MSFT operating system that stop receiving
security updates in 4.33 years.

If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.


As pollsters know, you can usually get the answer you want if you ask the
question in the right way. Above, if the intent is to encourage someone to
choose 8 or 10, that's a good question to ask. OTOH, given what we know
about 8 and 10, they are both immediately disqualified for consideration,
making the choice an easy one.

It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in
4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving
security updates on the same device.


My experience may not be typical, but the folks I run into seem to
universally share a few traits:
1. They don't make computer purchasing decisions based on what might happen
that far into the future. Current pain is a much bigger motivator than
possible future pain.
2. Many of them don't expect to be using the same computer that far into the
future. If they are, they'll deal with the possibilities then, whatever they
might be.
3. Most are senior citizens, and they've learned to take life as it comes.
Long term planning is for a younger generation.

The first two apply to me, as well. IMHO, basing a purchasing decision today
based on what might happen 4-5 years in the future is beyond foolish, but to
each his or her own.

I'd be willing to take that bet....that purchasing a new device with an
expectation of the o/s being supported for security patches more than
4.33 years, your advice would be ignored by the majority (in fact, it
probably already is starting to lean in that direction more than it was
13 days ago).


Of the people in real life who actually seek my advice, so far no one has
gone ahead with the Win 10 upgrade. Plenty have asked about it, but after
discussing the pros and cons, all have so far declined. They ask my opinion
and I provide it, but the choice is of course theirs.

Regarding the general computing public, I'd guess that nearly all who have
upgraded have done so not because of any perceived improvement in their
lives, but because the new version is, well, new, and everyone knows that
new is better, and free is better still. Except when it isn't, of course,
but uninformed users won't know that. Barnum and Bailey would be proud of
what Microsoft has achieved here.

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Old August 11th 15, 01:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:59:58 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote in

It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in
4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving
security updates on the same device.


WinBlows has never been secure and never will be. That's just the
rationalization they use to keep you on the thread mill.
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Old August 11th 15, 03:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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In message 20150810140907.0fee4931@jmspc, Johnny
writes
My wife has a Dell laptop with Windows 8.1 and it's slow compared to
Windows 7 and Windows 10.

I just checked Newegg.com, and you can still get New laptops with
Windows 7.


I would be very careful if purchasing a "Windows 7" laptop from a major
store. I've just been through a gruelling few weeks with someone who
bought a "Windows 7" Lenovo B-series laptop from PCWorld Business in the
UK.
Just out of the 1 year warranty, it failed to boot. It had, as far as I
could tell, a Windows 8 recovery partition and automatic activation to
Windows 8 via the bios. All her work was on it and matched her office
Windows 7 system.
PC World were no help. They said it was out of warranty and that they
would have told her to take an image when it was new. She insists that
they did not ever mention taking images, but they did sell her their own
cloud-based backup. With this she has backups of files, but not the OS.

I eventually got the machine back and got what we believe was the
culprit, AVG, working again, but it was a huge job. None of the W7
recovery options helped at all, and in the end I had to use Linux to
"slide" the old W7 setup and data files across onto a fresh W7 install.

FWIW, I dislike W10 because of the pushed advertising and the vanishing
scroll bars, which I find really annoying. I find W8.1 awkward to use.
W7 is fine and XP is OK because anti-virus organisations are still
dealing with it even if MS isn't.

As someone else mentioned, a good, little used, ex-corporate W7 business
quality laptop would be my choice. It is what I am buying.
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Old August 11th 15, 03:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Per Keith Nuttle:

When I mentioned garbage I was talking about the Icons for the various
things you use to find on the desktop of new Windows XP/7 computers that
were the first things that you remove back then.


Understood. My SOP has always been to clean house and then image the
resulting system as my first "Good" backup image.
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Old August 11th 15, 04:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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.. . .winston posted this via
:

(PeteCresswell) wrote on 08/10/2015 2:16 PM:
Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop.

It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of
that.

My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for
instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible,
7.


If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.


So, wadda you sayin', leetle buffoon boi??? Now he can't have Unbuntu
or an Apple? According to yer exclusive leetle girl's club?

Always remember your "It's statistically independent (think orthoganally)"
admonition, and put the stick in yer ass before you open with yer keyboard.

HTH.

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"The future ain't what it used to be!"

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Old August 11th 15, 05:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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(PeteCresswell) posted this via
:

Somebody is asking me to help them select a Windows laptop.

It's really the blind leading the blind, but I cannot convince them of
that.

My gut says to avoid 10 if at all possible (forced updates, for
instance)... and go with the familiar 8.1 with Start8 or, if possible,
7.

What think Those Who Know?


Windows 10 is NOT that daunting compared to 7, 8 and/or 8.1. The trick is
like in the old days with Windows 9x releases... You have to get familiar
with the options in the settings interfaces and simply turn off what you
don't want, don't trust or don't want to be bothered with right now...
Nice thing is, once you do that, you can always go back and switch back.

In the case of the automatic updates... So far, so good. The nice thing
about being in the herd is that *if* something does screw up after
Microsoft has extensively tested it prior to release, then a whole lot of
peeples will be in the same stew - which would serve as incentive to fix it
berry berry quickly, ehhh?

At any rate, if you go with a Windows 8.1 lappy, at least you have what's
left of a year (since July 29) or so to avail yerself to the free Windows
10 upgrade.... That's like a really good set of options!

On the alternative, if someone is really comfortable in their paranoia or
their contempt for Microsoft, this could be a really good time to get
familiar with something like Unbuntu (*FREE*) or Apple (*Expensive*)... AND
still keep their options open for Windows 10 while the year clicks off. Of
course, you'd have to have a qualifying Windows device to avail yourself to
the free upgrade option.

Bottom line, Windows 10 is a change and takes some getting used to, but if
you're used to Win7/8/8.1, it's not that terribly daunting, and Microsoft
seems committed to tweaking the options along the way...

somebody else can elucidate about the chat and telephone support with
Windows 10 -- and all the feedback options readily available as well...

HTH.

--

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It's like Yogi Berra always used to say:
"The future ain't what it used to be!"

http://tinyurl.com/ocnqvgq
  #23  
Old August 12th 15, 10:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Is It Practical To Avoid Windows 10 On A New Laptop Purchase?

Char Jackson wrote on 08/11/2015 1:51 AM:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:59:58 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Ask them if they'd like a MSFT operating system that stop receiving
security updates in 4.33 years.

If they say no...then your choices are Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.

As pollsters know, you can usually get the answer you want if you ask the
question in the right way. Above, if the intent is to encourage someone to
choose 8 or 10, that's a good question to ask. OTOH, given what we know
about 8 and 10, they are both immediately disqualified for consideration,
making the choice an easy one.

It's a valid question that could impact the purchaser's economics in
4.33 years beyond the need to purchase an operating system receiving
security updates on the same device.


My experience may not be typical, but the folks I run into seem to
universally share a few traits:
1. They don't make computer purchasing decisions based on what might happen
that far into the future. Current pain is a much bigger motivator than
possible future pain.
2. Many of them don't expect to be using the same computer that far into the
future. If they are, they'll deal with the possibilities then, whatever they
might be.
3. Most are senior citizens, and they've learned to take life as it comes.
Long term planning is for a younger generation.

The first two apply to me, as well. IMHO, basing a purchasing decision today
based on what might happen 4-5 years in the future is beyond foolish, but to
each his or her own.

I'd be willing to take that bet....that purchasing a new device with an
expectation of the o/s being supported for security patches more than
4.33 years, your advice would be ignored by the majority (in fact, it
probably already is starting to lean in that direction more than it was
13 days ago).



All three of those reasons don't negate the possibility that anyone
considering purchasing a new device today could easily be in the
population that used XP for 12 years. Thus the question I suggested
bears asking to ensure the potential user is not being forced, due to
ignorance or withheld information, to consider purchasing again in 4.33
yrs when less choice exists - Win10 and if lucky 8.1.

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