Distorted Sound

I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being a
VM although it doesn't happen in XP?


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On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being a
VM although it doesn't happen in XP?


Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may be the
virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.

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On 2016-10-10 6:26 AM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux
host. All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to
attack this problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow
related to this being a VM although it doesn't happen in XP?

Old Realtek drivers. Update them.


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pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being a
VM although it doesn't happen in XP?

You generally don't fix these sorts of problems.

*******

You've discovered a new effect there. Congratulations :-)

I tried it out, and the "pacing" of the sound on the
Win10 VM is wrong. The "frequency" of the content is
correct.

At first, I thought the audio sample being played in
Win10, it was playing 44100Hz content at 48000Hz. But,
the pitch wasn't shifted up, to sound like the Chipmunks.

I left the host and guest running for a number of
hours, came back and played the sample again. This time
the pitch was still correct, but the music played back
much slower than normal.

How is that even possible ?

PulseAudio is a contributing part, as it inserts itself
in the audio stream, and runs with RT (RealTime) priority.
Or, at least it did. I don't know what they've done to
it since.

And no, there's no setting that's going to fix this.

At first, I was going to try to record the content,
using Audacity in the host. But there was no signal
showing in the Audacity Monitor, for any selected
input channel. What I've done in the past for
audio problems, is use simpler content, record it
as it comes out of the audio subsystem, and try and
determine what it's doing to the samples. But listening
to music tells me, I'd probably have a hard time figuring
this out with plain sine waves as a stimulus.

I've had trouble with this before, in VPC2007 (hosting for
Windows). It was the first PulseAudio version of Linux as
a guest OS, the sound in VPC2007 no longer worked right.
The sounds would go into a loop, as if the sound buffer
was playing the same content over and over again. It's
never worked right since. So maybe Ubuntu 7 or Ubuntu 8
VMs were the last VMs with decent sound. But nothing on
VPC2007 sounds quite like your interesting discovery.

Another test case I tried, was playing an OGG in Win10
using VLC. Since Windows Media Player won't play an OGG,
I switched over the VLC. It was the same piece of music,
only instead of using the WAV I'd used for the first test,
I also have the same composition recorded in OGG. And
this time, the music was "cut to ****". So buffers full
of sound go missing, samples appear to be repeated
(effectively a DC level until the next sample buffer
comes along). So for that test, the music was getting
close to unrecognizable. But playing with Windows Media
Player, and using a WAV, the pitch was correct, but
somehow the pacing was all wrong.

While music is playing, "top" in Linux indicates
close to 100% CPU (where 100% is probably one core
of the CPU being used up). And that can't be good.

Paul

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being
a VM although it doesn't happen in XP?


Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may be the
virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.


The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I also have a
virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will recognise what I
am hearing from Win-10.

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On 10/10/2016 at 5:05 PM, pinnerite's prodigious digits fired off:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being
a VM although it doesn't happen in XP?


Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may be the
virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.


The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I also have a
virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will recognise what I
am hearing from Win-10.

Sounds like you need a driver update.

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you to kiss his ring.

On 2016-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being
a VM although it doesn't happen in XP?


Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may be the
virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.


The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I also have a
virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will recognise what I
am hearing from Win-10.

I don't have any problems with sound on the win10. Then I am having
the music played by foobar2000 & go thru the usb port to the usb dac.
Haven't used the Realtek stuff for sound for some years.

lew wrote:
On 2016-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being
a VM although it doesn't happen in XP?

Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may be the
virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.

The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I also have a
virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will recognise what I
am hearing from Win-10.

I don't have any problems with sound on the win10. Then I am having
the music played by foobar2000 & go thru the usb port to the usb dac.
Haven't used the Realtek stuff for sound for some years.

But he's running Win10 in a VM as a Guest.
And that (unfortunately) is an entirely
different matter, as the audio data has
more hoops to jump through.

At one time PulseAudio had an ALSA compatibility
library, and you could use that to escape the
clutches of Pulse, but they removed that. And
other means of bypassing Pulse just don't work
as well.

Win10 (Guest) Your case: Win10 (Host)
| |
VirtualBox for Linux | (Easy
| | peasy)
Linux (PulseAudio) |
| |
Speakers Speakers

Audio has real time requirements, and if you
don't meet them and the output samples have
jitter, the sound will be awful. The same
is true, if whole buffers of sound data
go missing.

Just for the record, PulseAudio serves no useful
purpose. In case you were wondering what it was
for. At least ALSA made sense. It solved a
problem real people had - they wanted to listen
to their music. PulseAudio was invented to
suit the ego of a single developer. The same
developer worked to invent SystemD. See
a common theme ? :-)

Paul

On 2016-10-11, Paul wrote:
lew wrote:
On 2016-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being
a VM although it doesn't happen in XP?

Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may be the
virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.

The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I also have a
virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will recognise what I
am hearing from Win-10.

I don't have any problems with sound on the win10. Then I am having
the music played by foobar2000 & go thru the usb port to the usb dac.
Haven't used the Realtek stuff for sound for some years.

But he's running Win10 in a VM as a Guest.
And that (unfortunately) is an entirely
different matter, as the audio data has
more hoops to jump through.

At one time PulseAudio had an ALSA compatibility
library, and you could use that to escape the
clutches of Pulse, but they removed that. And
other means of bypassing Pulse just don't work
as well.

Win10 (Guest) Your case: Win10 (Host)
| |
VirtualBox for Linux | (Easy
| | peasy)
Linux (PulseAudio) |
| |
Speakers Speakers

Audio has real time requirements, and if you
don't meet them and the output samples have
jitter, the sound will be awful. The same
is true, if whole buffers of sound data
go missing.

Just for the record, PulseAudio serves no useful
purpose. In case you were wondering what it was
for. At least ALSA made sense. It solved a
problem real people had - they wanted to listen
to their music. PulseAudio was invented to
suit the ego of a single developer. The same
developer worked to invent SystemD. See
a common theme ? :-)

Paul

I've given up on linux sound as it seems that the ones doing the work
keep messing it up. I would get sound out until the next update &
then it is a hit or miss; sometimes a patch would get me back the
sound again. All on the opensuse setup & still no sound out either
on realtek or usb even tho the output ports were recognized.

Have now gotten ubuntu loaded on hyper-v, may try the sound
output again this weekend unless by a miracle, android for
chrombook is available for me.

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On 2016-10-11 12:10 PM, lew wrote:
On 2016-10-11, Paul wrote:
lew wrote:
On 2016-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a
Linux host. All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are
distorted and irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control
Panel to attack this problem. Have I missed something or
is this somehow related to this being a VM although it
doesn't happen in XP?

Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may
be the virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.

The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I
also have a virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound
through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will
recognise what I am hearing from Win-10.

I don't have any problems with sound on the win10. Then I am
having the music played by foobar2000 & go thru the usb port to
the usb dac. Haven't used the Realtek stuff for sound for some
years.

But he's running Win10 in a VM as a Guest. And that
(unfortunately) is an entirely different matter, as the audio
data has more hoops to jump through.

At one time PulseAudio had an ALSA compatibility library, and you
could use that to escape the clutches of Pulse, but they removed
that. And other means of bypassing Pulse just don't work as
well.

Win10 (Guest) Your case: Win10 (Host) |
| VirtualBox for Linux | (Easy |
| peasy) Linux (PulseAudio) | |
| Speakers Speakers

Audio has real time requirements, and if you don't meet them and
the output samples have jitter, the sound will be awful. The
same is true, if whole buffers of sound data go missing.

Just for the record, PulseAudio serves no useful purpose. In case
you were wondering what it was for. At least ALSA made sense. It
solved a problem real people had - they wanted to listen to their
music. PulseAudio was invented to suit the ego of a single
developer. The same developer worked to invent SystemD. See a
common theme ? :-)

Paul

I've given up on linux sound as it seems that the ones doing the
work keep messing it up. I would get sound out until the next
update & then it is a hit or miss; sometimes a patch would get me
back the sound again. All on the opensuse setup & still no sound
out either on realtek or usb even tho the output ports were
recognized.

Have now gotten ubuntu loaded on hyper-v, may try the sound output
again this weekend unless by a miracle, android for chrombook is
available for me.

My experience with Linux started around 1994-1995 with Slackware. To
say the least, while it has gotten better with time, its quality is no
better than Windows 98's was. You can still in the command-line and
everything will be fine because the kernel is fairly solid but their
desktop environments are very inconsistent even though they have great
ideas. The software is even worse and at best unstable. Stick to
Windows if Linux is giving you way too many headaches.


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On 2016-10-11 12:10 PM, lew wrote:
On 2016-10-11, Paul wrote:
lew wrote:
On 2016-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a
Linux host. All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are
distorted and irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control
Panel to attack this problem. Have I missed something or
is this somehow related to this being a VM although it
doesn't happen in XP?
Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then it may
be the virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.

The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream. I
also have a virtual XP and there is no trouble with the sound
through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will
recognise what I am hearing from Win-10.

I don't have any problems with sound on the win10. Then I am
having the music played by foobar2000 & go thru the usb port to
the usb dac. Haven't used the Realtek stuff for sound for some
years.
But he's running Win10 in a VM as a Guest. And that
(unfortunately) is an entirely different matter, as the audio
data has more hoops to jump through.

At one time PulseAudio had an ALSA compatibility library, and you
could use that to escape the clutches of Pulse, but they removed
that. And other means of bypassing Pulse just don't work as
well.

Win10 (Guest) Your case: Win10 (Host) |
| VirtualBox for Linux | (Easy |
| peasy) Linux (PulseAudio) | |
| Speakers Speakers

Audio has real time requirements, and if you don't meet them and
the output samples have jitter, the sound will be awful. The
same is true, if whole buffers of sound data go missing.

Just for the record, PulseAudio serves no useful purpose. In case
you were wondering what it was for. At least ALSA made sense. It
solved a problem real people had - they wanted to listen to their
music. PulseAudio was invented to suit the ego of a single
developer. The same developer worked to invent SystemD. See a
common theme ? :-)

Paul
I've given up on linux sound as it seems that the ones doing the
work keep messing it up. I would get sound out until the next
update & then it is a hit or miss; sometimes a patch would get me
back the sound again. All on the opensuse setup & still no sound
out either on realtek or usb even tho the output ports were
recognized.

Have now gotten ubuntu loaded on hyper-v, may try the sound output
again this weekend unless by a miracle, android for chrombook is
available for me.

My experience with Linux started around 1994-1995 with Slackware. To
say the least, while it has gotten better with time, its quality is no
better than Windows 98's was. You can still in the command-line and
everything will be fine because the kernel is fairly solid but their
desktop environments are very inconsistent even though they have great
ideas. The software is even worse and at best unstable. Stick to
Windows if Linux is giving you way too many headaches.


Yeah, I noticed a 2016 LiveDVD I downloaded, couldn't
detect my RealTek HDaudio on the computer. It did manage
to find ATI HDMI sound, but I have no way to use that. Some
slightly older Live discs are fully functional. To retest
that all hardware works, from one distro version to the next,
would be a lot of work.

Paul

pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine (VM)over a Linux host.
All the sounds emanating from windows 10 are distorted and
irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control Panel to attack this
problem. Have I missed something or is this somehow related to this being a
VM although it doesn't happen in XP?



The fix is Lubuntu 16.04.1, which doesn't have
PulseAudio by default. (I thought they'd ruined
it, but they didn't, and it still runs ALSA.
Thank God. I tried Gentoo LiveDVD, but couldn't get
VirtualBox into it.)

The issue is not entirely fixed. What works
and doesn't work in a Win10 guest on Lubuntu host...

1) Windows Media Player - play a selection from the
beginning is fine. Pacing is right, pitch is right.
2) Windows Media Player - attempt to play the same
selection a second time, leads to what sounds like
repeated buffer starvation.
3) VLC plays an OGG, pacing is right, pitch is right.
I can't believe this one works, because of how
crappy it sounded with PulseAudio in the host.

Strangely, CPU usage is no better. It still registers
100% in top, which might represent being railed on
one core (by VirtualBox).

And with ALSA in Lubuntu, I don't have a working
Stereo Mix. I did one of these...

sudo modprobe snd-aloop

and that adds a loopback device as card 2.
Card0 and Card1 are ATI HDMI audio and RealTek Audio.
So when the virtual loopback device was added,
it became card 2. But in Audacity on the host,
I still couldn't get a signal on the monitor by
using the loopback device.

I'm able to pick up "leakage" inside the sound
chip, but it lacks bass and only carries
treble. So attempting to record the output
that way, isn't working.

I just thought I'd give you a status report.
I was able to do everything with a LiveCD, and
didn't have to install. I keep the Win10 VM in
an OVA appliance, and unpack it when I want to
test. The VirtualBox .deb didn't install without
complaining, but its recommended on-screen incantation
worked without needing to reboot (which is "death"
on a LiveCD of course). So the whole test sequence
could be done without filling a hard drive with
an install.

I'm sure if I used this setup long enough,
I'll find more holes in it. But at least
I can play a WAV and an OGG now, in Win10 Guest.

Paul

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On 2016-10-11 7:36 PM, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-11 12:10 PM, lew wrote:
On 2016-10-11, Paul wrote:
lew wrote:
On 2016-10-10, pinnerite wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 10/10/2016 6:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
I have Win-10 installed as a virtual machine
(VM)over a Linux host. All the sounds emanating from
windows 10 are distorted and irritating.

There appears to be nothing in 'Sounds' from Control
Panel to attack this problem. Have I missed
something or is this somehow related to this being a
VM although it doesn't happen in XP?
Is the sound working a-ok in the Linux host OS? Then
it may be the virtual machine's settings.

Anyway, it's not exactly a Win 10 problem.

The sound is perfect on the Linux host, on every stream.
I also have a virtual XP and there is no trouble with
the sound through that either.

If you've driven your car alongside a brick wall you will
recognise what I am hearing from Win-10.

I don't have any problems with sound on the win10. Then I
am having the music played by foobar2000 & go thru the usb
port to the usb dac. Haven't used the Realtek stuff for
sound for some years.
But he's running Win10 in a VM as a Guest. And that
(unfortunately) is an entirely different matter, as the audio
data has more hoops to jump through.

At one time PulseAudio had an ALSA compatibility library,
and you could use that to escape the clutches of Pulse, but
they removed that. And other means of bypassing Pulse just
don't work as well.

Win10 (Guest) Your case: Win10 (Host) | |
VirtualBox for Linux | (Easy | | peasy)
Linux (PulseAudio) | | | Speakers
Speakers

Audio has real time requirements, and if you don't meet them
and the output samples have jitter, the sound will be awful.
The same is true, if whole buffers of sound data go missing.

Just for the record, PulseAudio serves no useful purpose. In
case you were wondering what it was for. At least ALSA made
sense. It solved a problem real people had - they wanted to
listen to their music. PulseAudio was invented to suit the
ego of a single developer. The same developer worked to
invent SystemD. See a common theme ? :-)

Paul
I've given up on linux sound as it seems that the ones doing
the work keep messing it up. I would get sound out until the
next update & then it is a hit or miss; sometimes a patch
would get me back the sound again. All on the opensuse setup
& still no sound out either on realtek or usb even tho the
output ports were recognized.

Have now gotten ubuntu loaded on hyper-v, may try the sound
output again this weekend unless by a miracle, android for
chrombook is available for me.

My experience with Linux started around 1994-1995 with
Slackware. To say the least, while it has gotten better with
time, its quality is no better than Windows 98's was. You can
still in the command-line and everything will be fine because the
kernel is fairly solid but their desktop environments are very
inconsistent even though they have great ideas. The software is
even worse and at best unstable. Stick to Windows if Linux is
giving you way too many headaches.


Yeah, I noticed a 2016 LiveDVD I downloaded, couldn't detect my
RealTek HDaudio on the computer. It did manage to find ATI HDMI
sound, but I have no way to use that. Some slightly older Live
discs are fully functional. To retest that all hardware works,
from one distro version to the next,

The inconsistency is shockingly bad but don't tell Linux advocates
that; they believe that it's all perfect and that any problems you
faced are your own fault. As much as I don't particularly like
Windows, we have to be honest and admit that it's the best operating
system on the market at the moment.

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