Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

mick wrote:

FileExplorer Pro installed on the iPad from the iPad App Store, nothing
is installed on the pc side.
Transfers files both ways over wifi.
There are many more similar to FileExplorer Pro in the App Store but I
find this one is very easy to use. It sees all your shared folders and
files on the connected pc or NAS, makes new folders on the iPad side.

This version costs $4.99 but well worth it IMO.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/file...499470113?mt=8

There is a free version which I remember trying but found the paid
version to be better. I cannot remember why as it was such a long time
ago that I tried it.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/file...510282524?mt=8

Thanks for that suggestion of File Explorer, which I added to my tests:
http://i.cubeupload.com/kENW5e.jpg

File Explorer pops up on iOS with an "iTunes Files" screen in the "Local"
section, where I must note that the iTunes abomination will never be on my
Windows machines, so, of course, that first choice will always come up
empty.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q4hhv6.jpg

Much more useful is clicking on the "Photo Library" section, which shows
all the photos and screenshots and videos taken on the iOS device.
http://i.cubeupload.com/7qKpox.jpg

Even though I had placed a working iOS device on the same desk, it didn't
find it, so, I'm not sure why but I didn't explore the "Nearby iOS Devices"
section any further.
https://cubeupload.com/im/NcdNbb.jpg

Hitting the plus (+) button to make a new connection, I first got a pop up
admonition that the free version can only connect to one external device at
a time, which is fine by me:
https://cubeupload.com/im/pB5xS6.jpg

Here is a list of the new connection types, with Windows being the one I
hit:
https://cubeupload.com/im/KudJRz.jpg

I only had to enter in the hostname (IP address) of the Windows computer on
the LAN where the port defaulted to 445 (which is OK by me) and my username
and password on Windows:
https://cubeupload.com/im/pGy4UJ.jpg

And I had to remember if I had a password or not on Windows, which I don't:
https://cubeupload.com/im/gvAIGQ.jpg

In this first test, I turned on everything, but I'm not sure what "DFS" is:
https://cubeupload.com/im/NFZN0c.jpg

That created this "CONNECTIONS" field on the left of this screenshot:
https://cubeupload.com/im/ET8Ixd.jpg

But the actual logging in to make the connection took horribly long ...
minutes ... I didn't time it ... but jesus ... minutes to log in!
https://cubeupload.com/im/PHo2hk.jpg

More minutes...
https://cubeupload.com/im/6kDO9d.jpg

No matter what I do, or how many times I try, I get "Permission Denied"
even when using my login and no password.
https://cubeupload.com/im/3N2HXd.jpg

The best I can get out of the FileExplorer app is the error:
Connection failed with the error: Socket Error: 57
https://cubeupload.com/im/QOsuQc.jpg

So I will give up on FileExplorer, but I thank you for the suggestion.

In article news
from my phone (not smartphone) to my laptop, I do it by bluetooth. With
Windows 10 it is quite easy.

When I am away from the my network, I also do transfers between my
laptop and tablet, the same way.

If the ipad and the PC have bluetooth you are in business. If the ipad
has bluetooth but the pc does not, you can buy a bluetooth adapter that
plugs into the USB port of your PC and then do bluetooth transfers.

As you noted, almost all mobile devices have Bluetooth ad hoc file transfer
services, which mean that a connection is established computer-to-computer.

It's not fast, which is what those who don't like it will decry, but I've
used Bluethooth thousands of times on Android to transfer screenshots from
my phone to my laptop (which has bluetooth, as most laptops do).

Unfortunately, this situation is using a desktop, where mine has no
bluetooth card that I know of.

It does, however, have SMB, so I /wish/ I knew more about getting SMB to
work on Windows.

This program, for example, sets up SMB on the iOS device.
http://i.cubeupload.com/aw1fsZ.jpg

Apparently it shares the iOS device as the address smb://192.168.1.14
http://i.cubeupload.com/c53HYP.jpg

Windows and Linux can handle SMB but I'm not all that experienced with SMB
so I don't know why it didn't show up in Windows when I entered
\\192.168.1.14\Share or even just \\192.168.1.14
or
Net Use X: \\192.168.1.14
etc.

Giving up on SMB, the app also turned on its HTTP server for two way file
sharing.
http://i.cubeupload.com/NBIyhw.jpg

And it has an FTP server for two way file sharing.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Xfh67k.jpg

In summary, WiFi HD might have the edge as the best tool only if I can
get SMB to work.

Does anyone have a good test of SMB that I can test on Windows that will
work so that I can get used to the SMB syntax on Windows?

Ant wrote:

Isn't BlueTooth very slow? :/

Everyone says that BlueTooth is slow, and it is slow, but, it's fast enough
for some things, as I have used it hundreds of times to transfer an
individual screenshot or a few of them from my Android devices to a laptop.

BlueTooth is great for that because it establishes its own ad-hoc network,
computer to computer.

BT won't work for large files, such as movies are, but for a 5MB
screenshot, it's transferred in just a few seconds.

The problem with bluetooth here is that my desktop doesn't have bluetooth,
so that's why the question is to use USB or the Wi-Fi lan.

I do have success, so, it's not like I'm dead - but I was asking what YOU
use, since I can't be the only person here with iOS and Windows.

I did try these same solutions with Windows, since the desktop is dual
boot, where it's even easier on Linux than it is on Windows but only
because Linux handles Windows HDDs far better than Windows handles Linux
HDDs.
https://i.cubeupload.com/F74KFn.jpg

ultred ragnusen wrote:
Ant wrote:

Isn't BlueTooth very slow? :/

Everyone says that BlueTooth is slow, and it is slow, but, it's fast enough
for some things, as I have used it hundreds of times to transfer an
individual screenshot or a few of them from my Android devices to a laptop.

BlueTooth is great for that because it establishes its own ad-hoc network,
computer to computer.

BT won't work for large files, such as movies are, but for a 5MB
screenshot, it's transferred in just a few seconds.

The problem with bluetooth here is that my desktop doesn't have bluetooth,
so that's why the question is to use USB or the Wi-Fi lan.

I do have success, so, it's not like I'm dead - but I was asking what YOU
use, since I can't be the only person here with iOS and Windows.

I did try these same solutions with Windows, since the desktop is dual
boot, where it's even easier on Linux than it is on Windows but only
because Linux handles Windows HDDs far better than Windows handles Linux
HDDs.
https://i.cubeupload.com/F74KFn.jpg


USB to BT are inexpensive devices.

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Zaidy036

On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:50:59 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

ultred ragnusen wrote:

I just picked up a new 128GB Wi-Fi iPad from Costco for $300.
http://i.cubeupload.com/WNbbxt.jpg

Congratulations.

What I'd like to do is transfer screenshots and photos from the iPad to
Windows 10 as easily as Android does that task over either USB
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Or over WiFi, without ever putting /anything/ on Windows.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Do you have an iOS device connected to Windows such that you can easily
transfer files over WiFi or USB without adding /anything/ to Windows (like
we do with Android)?

Reminds me of my experience with an iPhone.
That is the worst part, being unable to easily transfer files between an
Apple device and a PC. Every other consumer product in the world shares files
with a PC via a USB cable.

Good news! IOS devices can do that.

On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:50:59 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

ultred ragnusen wrote:

I just picked up a new 128GB Wi-Fi iPad from Costco for $300.
http://i.cubeupload.com/WNbbxt.jpg

Congratulations.

What I'd like to do is transfer screenshots and photos from the iPad to
Windows 10 as easily as Android does that task over either USB
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Or over WiFi, without ever putting /anything/ on Windows.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Do you have an iOS device connected to Windows such that you can easily
transfer files over WiFi or USB without adding /anything/ to Windows (like
we do with Android)?

Reminds me of my experience with an iPhone.
That is the worst part, being unable to easily transfer files between an
Apple device and a PC. Every other consumer product in the world shares files
with a PC via a USB cable.

As do Apple devices.

Regular troll...

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On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:50:59 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:

ultred ragnusen ultred ragnusen.com wrote:

I just picked up a new 128GB Wi-Fi iPad from Costco for $300.
http://i.cubeupload.com/WNbbxt.jpg

Congratulations.

What I'd like to do is transfer screenshots and photos from the iPad to
Windows 10 as easily as Android does that task over either USB
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Or over WiFi, without ever putting /anything/ on Windows.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Do you have an iOS device connected to Windows such that you can easily
transfer files over WiFi or USB without adding /anything/ to Windows (like
we do with Android)?

Reminds me of my experience with an iPhone.
That is the worst part, being unable to easily transfer files between an
Apple device and a PC. Every other consumer product in the world shares files
with a PC via a USB cable.

Good news! IOS devices can do that.

Regular troll...

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On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:50:59 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
always.look message.header wrote:

ultred ragnusen ultred ragnusen.com wrote:

I just picked up a new 128GB Wi-Fi iPad from Costco for $300.
http://i.cubeupload.com/WNbbxt.jpg

Congratulations.

What I'd like to do is transfer screenshots and photos from the iPad to
Windows 10 as easily as Android does that task over either USB
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Or over WiFi, without ever putting /anything/ on Windows.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/03/...on_windows.jpg

Do you have an iOS device connected to Windows such that you can easily
transfer files over WiFi or USB without adding /anything/ to Windows (like
we do with Android)?

Reminds me of my experience with an iPhone.
That is the worst part, being unable to easily transfer files between an
Apple device and a PC. Every other consumer product in the world shares files
with a PC via a USB cable.

As do Apple devices.

On 13/03/2018 00:58:04, ultred ragnusen wrote:
mick wrote:

FileExplorer Pro installed on the iPad from the iPad App Store, nothing
is installed on the pc side.
Transfers files both ways over wifi.
There are many more similar to FileExplorer Pro in the App Store but I
find this one is very easy to use. It sees all your shared folders and
files on the connected pc or NAS, makes new folders on the iPad side.

This version costs $4.99 but well worth it IMO.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/file...499470113?mt=8

There is a free version which I remember trying but found the paid
version to be better. I cannot remember why as it was such a long time
ago that I tried it.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/file...510282524?mt=8

Thanks for that suggestion of File Explorer, which I added to my tests:
http://i.cubeupload.com/kENW5e.jpg

File Explorer pops up on iOS with an "iTunes Files" screen in the "Local"
section, where I must note that the iTunes abomination will never be on my
Windows machines, so, of course, that first choice will always come up
empty.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Q4hhv6.jpg

Much more useful is clicking on the "Photo Library" section, which shows
all the photos and screenshots and videos taken on the iOS device.
http://i.cubeupload.com/7qKpox.jpg

Even though I had placed a working iOS device on the same desk, it didn't
find it, so, I'm not sure why but I didn't explore the "Nearby iOS Devices"
section any further.
https://cubeupload.com/im/NcdNbb.jpg

Hitting the plus (+) button to make a new connection, I first got a pop up
admonition that the free version can only connect to one external device at
a time, which is fine by me:
https://cubeupload.com/im/pB5xS6.jpg

Here is a list of the new connection types, with Windows being the one I
hit:
https://cubeupload.com/im/KudJRz.jpg

I only had to enter in the hostname (IP address) of the Windows computer on
the LAN where the port defaulted to 445 (which is OK by me) and my username
and password on Windows:
https://cubeupload.com/im/pGy4UJ.jpg

And I had to remember if I had a password or not on Windows, which I don't:
https://cubeupload.com/im/gvAIGQ.jpg

In this first test, I turned on everything, but I'm not sure what "DFS" is:
https://cubeupload.com/im/NFZN0c.jpg

That created this "CONNECTIONS" field on the left of this screenshot:
https://cubeupload.com/im/ET8Ixd.jpg

But the actual logging in to make the connection took horribly long ...
minutes ... I didn't time it ... but jesus ... minutes to log in!
https://cubeupload.com/im/PHo2hk.jpg

More minutes...
https://cubeupload.com/im/6kDO9d.jpg

No matter what I do, or how many times I try, I get "Permission Denied"
even when using my login and no password.
https://cubeupload.com/im/3N2HXd.jpg

The best I can get out of the FileExplorer app is the error:
Connection failed with the error: Socket Error: 57
https://cubeupload.com/im/QOsuQc.jpg

So I will give up on FileExplorer, but I thank you for the suggestion.

I remember now, I use the Pro version because I connect to multiple
devices.

I am almost certain that you need to set up a password for win 10 when
you start up your pc. Trying to connect iOS to your windows pc needs
the ip address or the win 10 computer name AND a password, that is why
it is timing out on your ipad.

You also must have network discovery turned on on win 10 and at least
one shared folder on the win 10 machine. I guess from reading the
thread you have done this already.

DFS is off on my ipad.
DFS
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=ws.10).aspx

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mick

mick wrote:

So I will give up on FileExplorer, but I thank you for the suggestion.

I remember now, I use the Pro version because I connect to multiple
devices.

I appreciate your advice as I'm trying to accomplish connectivity, and I'm
trying to document that connectivity between iOS and Windows so that future
users can find the tribal knowledge in the Windows 10 archives at
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10

Hence, I will provide lots of screenshots and actual URLs and settings so
that others can follow successfully in our footsteps without being forced
to use that highly restrictive iTunes abomination on Windows (which doesn't
even work in the real world, even if it weren't an abomination on Windows).

For the record, here's where this information will be archived:
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.p...7f& t=1103286

I'm perfectly fine with the restriction of one computer for the File
Explorer free app, as that's all I need for now. Besides, if I want to set
up a second computer, it's easily enough done simply by deleting the first
setup. It's only the login/password, iPaddressort anyway.

DFS is off on my ipad.
DFS
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=ws.10).aspx

Thanks for that link to a description of the Windows Distributed File
System (DFS), which isn't anything I think I want, but even so, I'll just
leave this DFS setting as it is in File Explorer on the iOS iPad.
https://cubeupload.com/im/NFZN0c.jpg

I am almost certain that you need to set up a password for win 10 when
you start up your pc.

That's an interesting point of view, which I can only say that I'm pretty
sure I don't have a password for my Windows 10 account, as shown he
http://i.cubeupload.com/bNrn4e.jpg

I guess I could /add/ a password, temporarily, just to test if that is the
problem, but the File Explorer program should give a better error than
Error 57.
http://i.cubeupload.com/0cgrLB.jpg

Trying to connect iOS to your windows pc needs
the ip address or the win 10 computer name AND a password, that is why
it is timing out on your ipad.

I don't disagree with you that File Explorer might be timing out because
/it/ requires the IP address, the port, the login name, and a password, but
there is no password, because Windows doesn't need a password.

Just to see if that was the problem, I /added/ a password to Windows and
tried again after checking the IP address on Windows with ipconfig.

Oh. Um. Yeah. You were right. It worked! Fancy that.
So, even though Windows doesn't require a password, File Explorer does
require a password? Or, is it that Windows won't share things without
requiring a password?

Anyway, this is a lot better. There are 4 folders available:
- ADMIN$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)
- C$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)
- D$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)
- E$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)

Any idea why I can't get into those 4 folders which seem to be my C, D, and
E drives (where I'm not sure what ADMIN$ indicates)?

You also must have network discovery turned on on win 10 and at least
one shared folder on the win 10 machine. I guess from reading the
thread you have done this already.

Oooops. Nope. I haven't needed to do /anything/ on Windows until now.
a. I haven't created a "shared" folder (I don't even know what that is)
b. I haven't turned on "network discovery" (I don't know what it is)

Googling for how to turn on "network discovery", I read this first:
https://tunecomp.net/all-methods-to-...in-windows-10/

None of the screenshots in that document matched what I had in Win10
Creators Edition for an Ethernet connection, in this location
- Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network and Sharing Center\Advanced sharing settings
http://i.cubeupload.com/es1dGD.jpg

So I set two switches in that panel:
1. Turn on sharing so anyone with network access can red and write files in the Public folders
2. Turn off password protected sharing
http://i.cubeupload.com/O0XF8L.jpg

Doing only that, immediately added a fifth folder to "File Explorer".
- Users

Inside of "Users" in File Explorer on iOS were 3 folders and one file:
- Default (I presume this is the C:\Users\ultred\Default directory)
- Public (I presume this is the C:\Users\ultred\Public directory)
- ultred (This appears to be the C:\Users\ultred directory)
- desktop.ini

The great news is that by adding an unwanted password to my account, and
turning on file sharing, I was able to get File Explorer to work, but only
in the C:\Users hierarchy (the other directories such as C$ still don't
work).

That's too bad because, by long-standing well-thought-out design, I never
store /anything/ in the C:\Users hierarchy (at least not on purpose), but
this restriction is not deadly because I can move anything out that I do
store there, if necessary.

As a simple test from Windows to iPad, I found some MS Office templates:
https://www.davis.k12.ut.us/Page/2783
And then downloaded from Windows this Microsoft Word document:
https://www.davis.k12.ut.us/cms/lib/...sl-quotes.docx
And this Excel document:
https://www.davis.k12.ut.us/cms/lib/...-students.xlsx
To the Windows folder:
C:\Users\Public\Documents

Lo and behold, these two new documents showed up on the iPad in File
Explorer over WiFi.

When I tapped on the Excel document in File Explorer, it mentioned it was
downloading, and then it popped up in some unknown editor on the iPad.

The Word document came up quicker in the unknown editor on the iPad, where
this proves the connection from Windows to iOS over WiFi via File Explorer.

To test the other direction, from the iOS device to Windows, I created a
document in the default iOS "Notes" app.

Unfortunately, in "Notes", when you hit the "sharing" icon, there isn't
much you can do with it since the only "apps" you can send it to are Email,
Pocket, Message, Mail, etc. (none of which are useful choices for apps).

There is a "Save to files" icon though, which can only save to an extremely
limited set of apps, namely:
- GarageBand
- Keynote
- Numbers
- Pages
- VLC
None of which are useful apps since I wish to save the file to the "File
Explorer" app, which doesn't show up in this list.

This limitation may be just because the primitive "Notes" app is too dumb
to do anything useful, since it /should/ have been trivial to save the file
to the File Explorer app private space.

So I need to ask you, mick, if you've been able to get files from iOS to
Windows using the "File Explorer" app on iOS? If so, what's the trick?

Thinking of another way, while I wait, if I use Chrome, I get even more
primitive sharing options on iOS, but if I use Safari on iOS, the sharing
options include "File Explorer", so here's what I tried.

I opened the Safari browser to a test PowerPoint doc at
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/to...amplepptx.pptx

While viewing that PowerPoint doc in Safari, I hit the "Sharing" button and
then the "Copy to File Explorer" button.
http://i.cubeupload.com/twlGlG.jpg

There was no indication of anything happening, which is a flaw in any
operating system, but which is pretty normal for iOS. The document did not
seem to go into File Explorer, so, the user is left wondering what
happened.
http://i.cubeupload.com/mAUKPG.jpg

The same primitive results happened when I pressed the Safari Sharing "Save
to Files", where the only options available didn't include any apps of any
use for the file-transfer purpose.

Interestingly, I hit the "save to Air Transfer" button inside of the
primitive Safari sharing mechanism, and it immediately told me with a great
graphic that it was saved into the "Documents" folder of Air Transfer app.
http://i.cubeupload.com/l3r5Oj.jpg

Using the primitive and limited Safari Sharing "Save to MFExplorer" button
also worked fine, successfully putting the file in the MyFileExplorer
private space under the "Import" directory.
http://i.cubeupload.com/sYEQVj.jpg

So, for whatever reason, either Safari failed and didn't provide any
messages when trying to save into the private space of "File Explorer", or,
maybe it worked, but File Explorer isn't showing where the file went?

Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

Good news! IOS devices can do that.

I have all the common operating systems in the real world:
1. iOS
2. Android
3. Linux
4. Windows
And all I expect is for them to play nice with each other.

This thread is only about iOS, where the one huge difference is that the
"visible" part of the iOS file system is limited to two things.
A. The space inside of the DCIM directory tree
B. The space inside non-Apple 3rd-party apps (such as file-transfer apps)

Given this is the "visible" part of the iOS file system, the trick is to
put things into those visible locations, which isn't a problem for camera
shots, camera videos, or screenshots.

As with all things iOS, it's much harder than it should be to simply put a
larger movie video or document downloaded off the web into a "visible" file
space, but it can be done, if the application allows it.

For example, on iOS, Safari allows download of this document to the
file-transfer program private space, but Chrome on iOS does not.
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/to...amplepptx.pptx

If you use just the right software, and hit just the right buttons, then
you can place your files into the "visible" space (aka private space) of
the file-transfer programs.

Once your files are in "visible" space, then you can transfer those files
to Linux or Windows via at least these methods:
1. USB (I have this working only one way, & only for Camera files)
2. FTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
3. HTTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
4. SMB (I don't have enough knowledge of syntax yet to test this out)
5. BT (I don't have a Bluetooth PCI card or USB dongle on this desktop)
6. App-specific transfer (e.g., "File Explorer", "VLC", etc.)

Zaidy036 wrote:

USB to BT are inexpensive devices.

To add to the tribal knowledge of the group, I'll expand on your suggestion
of adding a BT dongle or PCI card to the desktop.
http://www.wirelesshack.org/how-to-a...r-desktop.html

While I'm soured on dongles, which, for me, tend to break off as people
walk by my machine (ask me how I know this), certainly PCI cards are cheap,
as you noted.

Googling a bit, here's a $12 BT dongle from Walmart:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sabrent-M...apter/15819367

Given my laptop is running WiFi out of the Ethernet port, I could also use
a WiFi card (since I broke my WiFi dongle - see above) where this is a $43
PCI card that adds both WiFi and Bluetooth to the desktop:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019JH89YI

Once your files are in "visible" space, then you can transfer those files
to Linux or Windows via at least these methods:
1. USB (I have this working only one way, & only for Camera files)
2. FTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
3. HTTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
4. SMB (I don't have enough knowledge of syntax yet to test this out)
5. BT (I don't have a Bluetooth PCI card or USB dongle on this desktop)
6. App-specific transfer (e.g., "File Explorer", "VLC", etc.)

Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

Every other consumer product in the world shares files
with a PC via a USB cable.

As do Apple devices.

It's true to a degree, just as it's true that cars are safe nowadays, to a
degree, where the primitive iOS architecture doesn't work all that well
over USB compared to a more modern mobile device architecture such as
Android.

For example, this is Android over USB on my Win10 desktop:
http://i.cubeupload.com/E69C5D.jpg

Since iOS file sharing is primitive compared to modern operating systems,
this is the best we can do, so far, when plugging in iOS to Windows:
http://i.cubeupload.com/d2zUb4.jpg

The good news is that this allows at least one way file transfer to at
least one directory tree, but other than that, the primitive iOS
infrastructure blocks the kind of modern two-way multi-folder transfer that
the more modern operating systems allow.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XG0um4.jpg

Remember, we're never going to install the iTunes abomination on Windows or
Linux, for a huge number of reasons, not the least that it's restrictive
software and restrictions aren't what we're seeking, nor does it work in
the real world anyway (which includes Linux).

ultred ragnusen wrote:
Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

Every other consumer product in the world shares files
with a PC via a USB cable.
As do Apple devices.

It's true to a degree, just as it's true that cars are safe nowadays, to a
degree, where the primitive iOS architecture doesn't work all that well
over USB compared to a more modern mobile device architecture such as
Android.

For example, this is Android over USB on my Win10 desktop:
http://i.cubeupload.com/E69C5D.jpg

Since iOS file sharing is primitive compared to modern operating systems,
this is the best we can do, so far, when plugging in iOS to Windows:
http://i.cubeupload.com/d2zUb4.jpg

The good news is that this allows at least one way file transfer to at
least one directory tree, but other than that, the primitive iOS
infrastructure blocks the kind of modern two-way multi-folder transfer that
the more modern operating systems allow.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XG0um4.jpg

Remember, we're never going to install the iTunes abomination on Windows or
Linux, for a huge number of reasons, not the least that it's restrictive
software and restrictions aren't what we're seeking, nor does it work in
the real world anyway (which includes Linux).

There's nothing primitive about that.

It's a walled garden, intended to wall off the copying of commercial
content all over the place (except as vetted by iTunes policies,
whatever they are this week).

By exposing DCIM over MTP, unidirectional, that is an "emulation"
of a digital camera. Whatever is shot through the lens of the
camera on your iPad is "your" content, it doesn't belong to Getty
or anyone else. You can download the DCIM files, in the same
sense you can download files from DCIM on your regular digital camera.

Think of it as a digital camera emulation kinda outside the
walled garden, provided for your "convenience".

The model is still consistent with the Apple way of doing things.

When you buy Apple, you buy the whole package.

If the iPad could be rooted, maybe it could be different ?
I don't keep track of how root-able little smartphones
and **** are these days. What's the point ? If I need a
hassle or a nuisance, I now have a pretty good idea where
I can find it.

My digital camera doesn't have issues. I get the files
just fine. Mine isn't a Wifi model, but I bet there are
more modern cameras where the Wifi works too.

*******

It used to be possible, to take iTunes installer apart with
7ZIP, into separate installers, and just install a portion of
it. But I can't remember what protocols or options this exposes.
Maybe you can look this up somewhere ?

https://apple.stackexchange.com/ques...talling-itunes

Apple Mobile Device Support

https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/12/ho...ts-on-windows/

"Apple Mobile Device Support

The program is required when you sync data between iTunes
and Apple mobile devices such as the iPad, iPhone, or the iPod.

If you uninstall the program, iTunes continues to work. You
won't be able to sync data to Apple devices anymore using
iTunes however because of the missing component."

I tried some search terms to see if I could catch any Windows
applications tapping into AMDS on their own.

https://support.imazing.com/hc/en-us...evice-Windows-

Which leads us here. Just an example of the kinda stuff to look for.

https://imazing.com/

I've taken apart the iTunes installer (maybe 70MB or so) a number
of times, and played with the individual component installers.
More modern versions have "interlocks" where one thing won't run
unless it can "sniff" some side effect from another. It's not
a guaranteed thing that the iTunes package today (which is now
sans QuickTime for Windows), can be abused. But if you go back
some number of releases, it might be a bit more exposed.

The developer ("imazing") should cover this part of the process
for you, and identify a "success formula" for abusing AMDS.

And that still doesn't say what portion of the file system they've
hacked that way. You won't know until you trial their stuff. It
might even be iOS version dependent (you pay for it, then Apple
breaks it on you). I think you probably know by now, what that
tune sounds like. As a former Apple user, I'm all too familiar
with their practices.

I bought a video card for my G4. And guess what happens ? On the
very next OS upgrade, there is *no* video driver, *and* the OS
blacklists the old driver. Sweet. So, I got out my Xacto knife,
my soldering iron, I cut the nads off that card, flashed the 128KB
ROM with a 64KB Windows ROM with CAS3 memory setting. Worked fine
in a PC and I got five years of gaming out of it. Until the Molex
power connector, a pin burned on it. I did get my moneys worth,
despite Apples best efforts to prevent me from enjoying my purchase.
So yeah, been there, bought the Tshirt. I had to continue running
the G4 from the provided (default) 9000 card.

HTH,
Paul

Paul wrote:

It's a walled garden, intended to wall off the copying of
commercial content all over the place (except as vetted by iTunes
policies, whatever they are this week).

You can't argue with success?