SP2 - WHY?????

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"Johnny Lingo" wrote in message
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"Johnny Lingo" wrote

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"RA" nomail@thisplace wrote

If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP
program?

Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years.
Why
learn
a
new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs?

Alias



That's what my sister says about Windows95

Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot
do
what
I
want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only
capable
of making snide comments?

Alias




The point I believe that RA was making is that Windows 95 is an old
and
antiquated OS that MS doesn't even support anymore.

What's that got to do with WS_FTP? It works fine on my XP Pro now and
worked
fine on 95, 98, 98SE, W2k and Me.

The world of technology
has come a long way since then and people need to keep up. WS_FTP95
falls
in
the same realm. Keep up with technology, or you may get left
behind.

Key word: "may". Do you know???


In my opinion, YES you will be left behind at some point if you continue
to
hold on to antiquated technology.

Apparently, it *isn't* antiquated, despite your guessing.




I once knew of a group that worked for a company that I worked for
that
had
an application that worked with a very old versions of Oracle and
DOS.
Many
years passed and they refused to upgrade their applications as
technology
advanced. It finally came to a point that it was almost impossible
to
migrate to a current version, and a large chunk of their data was
lost.

Bottom line: It should probably be time to move on.

Another key word: "probably". Do you know???


Again, you insist on using only antiquated technology, and not move up
from
time to time, you will be left behind!

Apparently, it *isn't* antiquated, despite your guessing.





http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/WS_FTP/

Um, the "pro" is not free. I don't see any free programs there, do
you?
The
one I have is. Do you know the answer to my question or can you merely
post
an essay on computer technology that *doesn't* answer the question. A
simple
yes or no will do.


Things in this world cost. You should not expect everything to be free!

I don't. Are you saying that freeware is a bad thing? If so, when will you
be removing your AdAware, Spybot, Spywareblaster, etc.? Do you plan to
send
MS a check for SP2 so that you can feel better about your "world"?

Why couldn't you just answer the question? And, if you didn't know the
answer, why did you respond to the post, other than using the opportunity
to
lamely try to put me down and expouse your thoughts on new technology and
that a lot of things in this world are not free?

Alias




I am not concerned about losing data as WS_FTP 95 only keeps my login
and
password, no other data. The data is both on my D drive and on my host
server, and not kept by WS_FTP.

Alias









Obviously since you are worried that WS_FTP95 will work or not after SP2,
you are already aware that your application is old and quickly becoming
antiquated. I only point out to you that many people who drag their feet in
moving to newer applications frequently become disappointed when suddenly
their application does not work, and then they start pointing at other
people and companies and blame them for their own problem. I have seen this
happen before, and I know it will happen again! Hopefully the next person
will not be you!

"Johnny Lingo" wrote

Obviously since you are worried that WS_FTP95 will work or not after SP2,

I'm not worried anymore. Someone who knew was nice enough to answer my
question rather than giving me a sermon and telling me things I already
know:

you are already aware that your application is old and quickly becoming
antiquated. I only point out to you that many people who drag their feet
in
moving to newer applications frequently become disappointed when suddenly
their application does not work, and then they start pointing at other
people and companies and blame them for their own problem. I have seen
this
happen before, and I know it will happen again! Hopefully the next person
will not be you!

If it stops working for some reason, I'll investigate other options. Until
then, I will use it and be happy about doing so, thank you very much.

Alias

Ken wrote:

The link you posted includes a download link for SP2 for installation on
multiple computers over a network. It is a huge file -- 272 MB. The link
says that users of a single computer should not install this version, but
wait for a smaller download taylored for single computers.

I have a single computer, but I also have a blazing fast broadband
connection that can download this 272 MB file in minutes. Is the problem
here merely the size of the download, or is the problem also the network
components presumably included in this version? In other words, other than
having to download a bigger file, what would be the downside for me of
installing this version of SP2 on a single computer instead of waiting until
August 16 or whatever?
Hi

There is no downside in using this version of SP2 on a single computer,
it will not install any additional components compared to the Web
Express update that will be available later on.

An upside is that you can burn it to a CD and use it on other computers
as well :-)


--
torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx

I did not mean it as a snide comment and I am sorry it appeared that way. I
should have explained. Johnny Lingo's interpretation was correct. I am
having a very difficult time with trying to get my sister up to speed so
that she can use XP well and safely. She prefers to stay with an OS that she
is familiar with and she doesn't want to deal with patches or learn about
preventing spyware or other nasties. She needs an idiot proof machine with
all the bells and whistles. I am giving her an Etch-a-Sketch for Christmas.



"Alias" wrote in message
...

"RA" nomail@thisplace wrote

If you do a lot of web work, why don't you get a newer FTP program?

Cause I like that one and I've been using it for over 7 years. Why
learn
a
new program when this one works beautifully to meet my needs?

Alias



That's what my sister says about Windows95

Apples/oranges. I can upload what I want with WS_FTP95. I cannot do what I
want to do with Win95. Now, do you know the answer or are you only capable
of making snide comments?

Alias

And some of the problems when you do....
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242

Testy

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked
* Revamped firewall on by default
* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments
* Origins of downloaded files logged
* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default
* Some spyware blocked
* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates
* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall
* Protection against buffer over-runs
* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default
* New WI-FI setup Wizard
* etc etc
* etc etc

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony




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Testy wrote:
And some of the problems when you do....
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242

And here are some mo
http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2

Dick Kistler

P.S. I still don't believe that SP2 is a vast Microsoft conspiracy to screw
up the world's computer systems. Having some programs that don't work after
a major OS update is not at all unusual, and is one of the prices we pay for
using computers. If you are worried about this, wait to install. If you have
a number of computers to maintain, certainly wait until the fixes, if any
are in place, then install. If you can afford to risk that some programs
might not work as advertised or not at all, dive in.

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked

Got that with Google for IE and Mozilla has it integrated in the browser.

* Revamped firewall on by default

My Sygate is better.

* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments

Another thing to disable ...

* Origins of downloaded files logged

Wow! Just curious, what does that do for me?

* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default

Another thing to disable ..

* Some spyware blocked

As well as Spybot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and Spywareguard?

* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates

Another thing to disable.

* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall

What a waste of time.

* Protection against buffer over-runs

Whoa, something I don't already have! What does that do for me?

* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default

Should have never been put in XP to begin with. If I want a messenger
program, I know where to get them.

* New WI-FI setup Wizard

Considering how expensive WI-FI is at present, so what?

* etc etc
* etc etc

That's it?

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,

Can you tell me if all my programs and devices will work after I download
this modern wonder?

Alias



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony

Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked
* Revamped firewall on by default
* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments
* Origins of downloaded files logged
* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default
* Some spyware blocked
* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates
* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates and
firewall
* Protection against buffer over-runs
* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default
* New WI-FI setup Wizard
* etc etc
* etc etc

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony

All of mine do, and some programs work now that didn't before SP2.

"Alias" wrote in message
...

Can you tell me if all my programs and devices will work after I download
this modern wonder?

Wow from SP2 to a tirade about the Taliban quite a jump! My computer was very secure before SP2 I do not need MS to do my work for me, as for future "enhancements" we will have to see if they are really worth it.

Testy


"Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ...
Testy,
The article you refer to says:

"Some programs seem to stop ......"

It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled. Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on their women to put up with dirty men!!

I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again.

Regards,




Testy wrote:

And some of the problems when you do....
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Testy

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked
* Revamped firewall on by default
* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments
* Origins of downloaded files logged
* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default
* Some spyware blocked
* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates
* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall
* Protection against buffer over-runs
* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default
* New WI-FI setup Wizard
* etc etc
* etc etc

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony



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"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked

Got that with Google for IE and Mozilla has it integrated in the browser.

You are not the only Windows XP user in the world. Does Google/Mozilla also
block downloads (i.e. dialers) from automatically running and installing?


* Revamped firewall on by default

My Sygate is better.

You are not the only Windows XP user in the world. I went off Sygate a
couple of years back when it severely impacted my machine's performance. I
persevered with it for a couple of months, then swapped it for Norton. The
new XP firewall is MUCH better than the SP1 effort though.


* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments

Another thing to disable ...

Or, you could just say "Don't remind me about this sort of file again."


* Origins of downloaded files logged

Wow! Just curious, what does that do for me?

It isn't necessarily designed for you, but for the millions of Windows XP
users across the world.


* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default

Another thing to disable ..

This is one of the best features of SP2. No more loading of filth images in
Spam mail for starters ... meaning that the sender cannot determine that you
have opened the email!


* Some spyware blocked

As well as Spybot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and Spywareguard?

You are not the only Windows XP user in the world.


* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates

Another thing to disable.

You are not the only Windows XP user in the world.


* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall

What a waste of time.

You are not the only Windows XP user in the world.


* Protection against buffer over-runs

Whoa, something I don't already have! What does that do for me?

Er ... protects against buffer overruns!


* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default

Should have never been put in XP to begin with. If I want a messenger
program, I know where to get them.

This is Windows Messenger ... not MSN Messenger. The sort of program that
most OSs have had for many years, and which is used for company wide network
broadcasts.


* New WI-FI setup Wizard

Considering how expensive WI-FI is at present, so what?

You must be on a VERY low income.


* etc etc
* etc etc

That's it?

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,

Can you tell me if all my programs and devices will work after I download
this modern wonder?

No ... only you can do that. And if you don't like it, then uninstall it.
But don't go loading any new stuff onto the PC until you are sure the
existing stuff works, as it makes uninstalling SP2 a little messy.


Alias



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony

"Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ...
Testy,
The article you refer to says:

"Some programs seem to stop ......"

It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled. Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on their women to put up with dirty men!!

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha! Not installing SP2 == Joining Taliban!

What does driving a 15 year old car get me?

I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again.

What exactly has Windows won? World dominance? Wait, they already have that!

Regards,




Testy wrote:

And some of the problems when you do....
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Testy

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked
* Revamped firewall on by default
* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments
* Origins of downloaded files logged
* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default
* Some spyware blocked
* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates
* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall
* Protection against buffer over-runs
* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default
* New WI-FI setup Wizard
* etc etc
* etc etc

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony



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Alias wrote:
"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message
...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked

Got that with Google for IE and Mozilla has it integrated in the
browser.

* Revamped firewall on by default

My Sygate is better.

* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments

Another thing to disable ...

* Origins of downloaded files logged

Wow! Just curious, what does that do for me?

* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default

Another thing to disable ..

* Some spyware blocked

As well as Spybot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and
Spywareguard?

* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates

Another thing to disable.

* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus,
updates and firewall

What a waste of time.

* Protection against buffer over-runs

Whoa, something I don't already have! What does that do for me?

* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default

Should have never been put in XP to begin with. If I want a messenger
program, I know where to get them.

* New WI-FI setup Wizard

Considering how expensive WI-FI is at present, so what?

* etc etc
* etc etc

That's it?

No, its not, look here if you are really interested-8 pages of changes:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx

It's a free country, don't install it if you don't want to. It means a more
secure, more bug free OS to the rest of us. I installed it last Monday-the
only differences I see are that now I have automatic updates on(a trial,
we'll see how it goes) and I've been able to install the newest TouchPad
drivers that I wasn't able to before. Everything else-apps, drivers,
network, etc.-are working as advertised. So I can't see what the fuss is
about.

Dick Kistler

Hello,

I've installed SP2 over a week ago and it works really well - no
problems. All this whinning is silly. A few programs have restricted
access but once the firewall is trained; no problem.

A very job job on the service pack.

L8R


"Dick Kistler" wrote in message
...
Alias wrote:
"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message
...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked

Got that with Google for IE and Mozilla has it integrated in the
browser.

* Revamped firewall on by default

My Sygate is better.

* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments

Another thing to disable ...

* Origins of downloaded files logged

Wow! Just curious, what does that do for me?

* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default

Another thing to disable ..

* Some spyware blocked

As well as Spybot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and
Spywareguard?

* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates

Another thing to disable.

* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus,
updates and firewall

What a waste of time.

* Protection against buffer over-runs

Whoa, something I don't already have! What does that do for me?

* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default

Should have never been put in XP to begin with. If I want a messenger
program, I know where to get them.

* New WI-FI setup Wizard

Considering how expensive WI-FI is at present, so what?

* etc etc
* etc etc

That's it?

No, its not, look here if you are really interested-8 pages of changes:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx

It's a free country, don't install it if you don't want to. It means a
more secure, more bug free OS to the rest of us. I installed it last
Monday-the only differences I see are that now I have automatic updates
on(a trial, we'll see how it goes) and I've been able to install the
newest TouchPad drivers that I wasn't able to before. Everything
else-apps, drivers, network, etc.-are working as advertised. So I can't
see what the fuss is about.

Dick Kistler

Testy,

The article you refer to says:

"Some programs seem to stop ......"

It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of
sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is
here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled.
Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st
century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine
mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in
Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on
their women to put up with dirty men!!

I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to
Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again.

Regards,




Testy wrote:

And some of the problems when you do....
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242

Testy

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked
* Revamped firewall on by default
* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments
* Origins of downloaded files logged
* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default
* Some spyware blocked
* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates
* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall
* Protection against buffer over-runs
* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default
* New WI-FI setup Wizard
* etc etc
* etc etc

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony



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