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  #16  
Old August 25th 04, 09:55 PM
francis gérard
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"LVTravel" wrote in message
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I really disagree with this statement. I have an ATI board in two
different
computers. When I have attempted updates via WU both computers crashed.
Pulled Microsoft supplied drivers, went to ATI web site and downloaded
their
latest and had absolutely no problem with their "sited" drivers. Had the
same kind of problem with a HP printer also.


the drivers available via WU for ATI and HP hardware are also built by those
vendors and subsequently submitted to MS WHQL for testing and certification.
ime, the WHQL certified drivers are stable and rarely cause problems, else
they would not be available via WU in the first place. think about it, it's
not to microsoft's benefit to install buggy drivers on their customer's
systems. if a problem is found with a WHQL driver, it is pulled from WU
update site.

i only wish more hardware vendors would submit their drivers for MSWHQL
testing and make them available via Windows/Automatic update... it makes
sense to unify the update process to make it easier for the end-user to keep
their systems up-to-date, whether it be the operating system, application
software or device drivers.
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  #17  
Old August 25th 04, 10:07 PM
francis gérard
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"Greg R" wrote in message
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I cound not see the computer. If I use those resolutions on my
computer.

I only use 800x600 when I have too, then switch back to 640x800


eeek! reminds of the dark days of DOS

I have a 15'' monitor. However for 17inch then 800x600 will do fine.


typically, the recommended screen-size for a 15" monitor is 800x600, but
many people run it higher at 1024x768, particularly if the 15" monitor has
sufficiently high resolution (DPI)

running a 17" monitor at low resolutions (800x600) does not make good sense,
unless you have limited vision and require icons and text to be larger than
normal

That the same driver I talked about. But it was an another version.


huh? how does the "same driver" = "another version"

I don't use either version now.


ic... well, i'm confused
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  #18  
Old August 25th 04, 10:53 PM
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It was a much older version my s3 graphics driver.
I downloaded it from windows update.

This really messed up my computer.
I download the same older version from the manufacture
No problems.

The reason I calling this an older version.
Neither windows update nor the manufacture has that version now

I was using xp sp1 at that time as well.


Greg R
http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/
  #19  
Old August 25th 04, 11:28 PM
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"Greg R" wrote in message
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It was a much older version my s3 graphics driver.
I downloaded it from windows update.


yes, it's possible that by the time a driver is fully tested and posted to
the WU site, it may have been superceded by a newer version on the hardware
vendor's own website, but that doesn't mean the older one available via WU
is no good, and since it's been regression tested, it may prove to be more
reliable than the latest untested driver.

This really messed up my computer.
I download the same older version from the manufacture
No problems.


bizarre

The reason I calling this an older version.
Neither windows update nor the manufacture has that version now


but... wasn't the whole point of this discussion to determine which driver
is "newer", you initially said that, "Windows update notfies me I need this
update" but now you're telling us that Windows update no longer has that
version.

I was using xp sp1 at that time as well.


so when was that, before or after you posted your original article?

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  #20  
Old August 26th 04, 02:03 PM
Alex Nichol
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francis*gérard wrote:


if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected that the WU version is
more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently installed version on
your system is old or missing driver components


It may be offering one that is in fact older - but is 'signed' by MS
quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the makers and get
the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP


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Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
  #21  
Old August 26th 04, 05:02 PM
francis gérard
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"Alex Nichol" wrote in message
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francis gérard wrote:


if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected that the WU version
is
more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently installed version
on
your system is old or missing driver components


It may be offering one that is in fact older - but is 'signed' by MS
quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the makers and get
the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP


ALL drivers designed for Windows XP are supposed to be 'signed', whether
obtained from WU or the vendor.

apparently you missed the part in the discussion where i said:

"the general rule is, if WU offers an updated driver for your hardware, go
check the hardware vendor's website first, to see if they offer an updated
version too, compare the two versions and choose the latest one, which will
likely be the hardware vendor's version. however, keep in mind, the version
offered by Microsoft has been *tested* and *certified*, the one on the
vendor's website may not have been."

please read more carefully next time

i maintain, the drivers available via WU are perfectly safe to use. they
are coded and built by the hardware vendors, tested and certified by MSWHQL
and made available to WU.
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francis



  #22  
Old August 26th 04, 05:22 PM
Greg R
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A mvp agrees with me

Greg R

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:52 +0100, Alex Nichol wrote:


francis*gérard wrote:


if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected that the WU version is
more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently installed version on
your system is old or missing driver components


It may be offering one that is in fact older - but is 'signed' by MS
quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the makers and get
the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP


http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/
  #23  
Old August 26th 04, 06:15 PM
francis gérard
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"Greg R" wrote in message
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A mvp agrees with me


greg, i wasn't aware this was about 'agreeing' with anyone

you asked for advice, that's what you got

btw, *anyone* can be an MVP, it's a meaningless designation and does not
necessarily imply superior technical knowledge or abilities... far from it

i think the following microsoft link best describes the MVP program:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...TRO&style=flat

"The MVP Program is focused on our [Microsoft's] relationships to and with
customers..."

"... to help Microsoft build better products that result in more satisfied,
loyal, and passionate Microsoft customers"

notice the words, 'loyal passionate microsoft customers'

that pretty much describes the role of an MVP, not a designation i would
want myself

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  #24  
Old August 26th 04, 08:08 PM
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Which MVP? Alex didn't sound like he agreed with you.

-----Original Message-----
A mvp agrees with me

Greg R

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:52 +0100, Alex Nichol=20

wrote:

francis g=E9rard wrote:


if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected=20

that the WU version is=20
more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently=20

installed version on=20
your system is old or missing driver components


It may be offering one that is in fact older - but=20

is 'signed' by MS
quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the=20

makers and get
the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP


http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/
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  #25  
Old August 26th 04, 08:11 PM
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-----Original Message-----

"Greg R" wrote in message
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A mvp agrees with me


greg, i wasn't aware this was about 'agreeing' with anyone

you asked for advice, that's what you got

btw, *anyone* can be an MVP, it's a meaningless

designation and does not
necessarily imply superior technical knowledge or

abilities... far from it

i think the following microsoft link best describes the

MVP program:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...px?scid=fh;EN-

US;MVPINTRO&style=flat

"The MVP Program is focused on our [Microsoft's]

relationships to and with
customers..."

"... to help Microsoft build better products that result

in more satisfied,
loyal, and passionate Microsoft customers"

notice the words, 'loyal passionate microsoft customers'

that pretty much describes the role of an MVP, not a

designation i would
want myself

--
francis



Some MVPs are very good helping people in these groups
without being Micro$nots. Unfortunately Francis, methinks
you may have done a good job above describing some of the
other MVPs above.

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  #26  
Old August 26th 04, 09:33 PM
francis gérard
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wrote in message
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Some MVPs are very good helping people in these groups
without being Micro$nots.


agreed, there are several notable MVPs (in these groups) that i can think
of, who are technically knowledgeable, and not just about one particular
facet of some microsoft product.

Unfortunately Francis, methinks
you may have done a good job above describing some of the
other MVPs above.


don't look at me, i'm just quoting directly from Microsoft's MVP site

in fairness to MVPs though, despite the fact that some (many?) really are
'micro$nots' as you put it, from what i've read, that is Microsoft's
intention with the program anyway, it's a clever 'community-based' approach
to marketing their products and establishing customer loyalty. a Most
Valuable Professional, MVP is 'valuable' to microsoft because they are
microsoft devotees dedicated to microsoft's success, which contributes to
their own success (livelihood). secondary to that, the knowledgeable MVPs
help the lesser microsycophants with technical issues, mostly relating to
microsoft products.

now, before some MVP jumps down my throat, these are my OPINIONS. i can't
speak for an MVP, as i'm not one myself (perish the thought), and i don't
think all MVPs are microsheep either, i've met a *few* who really know their
stuff, so to speak.

btw, i think it would be helpful to dispel the commonly held misconception
that MVPs are Microsoft employees, they are not, although they do receive
'incentives' from microsoft for their involvement in the program.
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francis


  #27  
Old August 27th 04, 11:52 AM
Alex Nichol
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francis*gérard wrote:


ALL drivers designed for Windows XP are supposed to be 'signed', whether
obtained from WU or the vendor.


But not as having passed WHQL - and that may result in your getting a
stale one from update. The latest nvidia driver IIRC has not gone
through the lab yet, but is probably fixing something needed in the one
that has. By no means all makers drivers have been through the lab.
All that the absence of sig means is that MSoft is not going to carry
the can


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Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
  #28  
Old August 27th 04, 05:30 PM
francis gérard
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"Alex Nichol" wrote in message
news
francis gérard wrote:


ALL drivers designed for Windows XP are supposed to be 'signed', whether
obtained from WU or the vendor.


But not as having passed WHQL - and that may result in your getting a
stale one from update. The latest nvidia driver IIRC has not gone
through the lab yet, but is probably fixing something needed in the one
that has. By no means all makers drivers have been through the lab.
All that the absence of sig means is that MSoft is not going to carry
the can


huh? do you know *anything* about WHQL? i don't think so.

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  #29  
Old August 27th 04, 06:06 PM
francis gérard
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for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about driver updates
via Windows Update...

WU driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx

WU driver publishing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx

WHQL testing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx

windows hardware test policies:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx

overview of driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx

qualification service:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx

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francis


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Old August 27th 04, 08:28 PM
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"francis g=E9rard" wrote in message =
...
=20
for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about driver =

updates=20
via Windows Update...
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WU driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx
=20
WU driver publishing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx
=20
WHQL testing:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx
=20
windows hardware test policies:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx
=20
overview of driver maintenance:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx
=20
qualification service:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx
=20


And getting driver updates via WU is not recommended, as they are mostly =
older updates. Best to get them from the manufacturer's site.
 




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