Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk

I was only making others aware so they can make a better
decision when choosing whether or not to install SP2 by
letting them know of the problems I have had. These
forums are great places to exchange knowledge,
experiences, and get some help from your peers. There was
no help for my problem besides reinstallation. Hopefully
not too many others will have to do the same.

-----Original Message-----
The opening poster seemed to be more advising people to
not install rather
than asking for help!


"UserZero" wrote in
message
news:1161178C-6FA7-4FB5-ADB3-
...
I'm happy that your 30 computers have all been updated
successfully and
happy
for everyone who has had success in installing the
SP2, but I think both
Jason and I would appreciate more helpful replies.

I was unsuccessful in my attempt to install the SP2,
in fact it seems to
have caused my hard drive to fail. I have kept up to
date with all the XP
updates, have updated virus software, don't have any
strange or illegal
programs on the machine and the machine was supplied
by Dell.

I'm off to check to see if perhapse my machine had
the "one bad process",
but even with that one bad processor Microsoft
shouldnt have sent the
update
through the automatic update system, they should have
just informed people
it
was available for download and stated the known
problems a bit more
clearly.


"Johnny Lingo" wrote:

I have installed SP2 on over 30 machines over the
last week or more
(including today's autoupdate release) and I have yet
to have ANY
problems.
I believe that if your hardware and software are both
in good shape you
should be fine. I have also spoken to many friends
and colleagues who
are
in the same boat at as me and saying that this is the
most solid SP that
Microsoft has ever released. As long as the systems
have been kept up
properly this SP seems to install and run great
(except for one
processor).




"Jason" wrote
in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to
not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many
security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not
worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my
PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known
good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure
for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100%
solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for
you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a
living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with
Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it
will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do
not
install this as a complete update or you may be
stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first
time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need
it.

Sincerely,
Jason





.

"Jason" wrote in message

Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it.

Get a grip dude. For the majority of users sp2 installs fine. Most likely
you have some hardware/driver issues.
You risk your life everyday walking out the door, getting in your car, or
even with what you eat everyday. Risk is life. If you have no risk in your
life your not living.

I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.

I do this for a living as well and have installed sp2 on more than 20
machines. Not one computer had a problem. Not one. Just because your
computer has an issue doesn't mean other will. I'll bet you have an oem
computer, right?

For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If you backup like your supposed to do and something happens you will lose
nothing. (and if you work in the IT field or your a tech you'd know this).
And it shouldn't take you 4 hours to get back up and running. I can format
and install xp and my apps in under 2 hours.


If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

They did. Worked fine for me.


Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Foolish and uninformed statement, at best.

There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell everyone to not
drive cars? Of course not. Spreading foolishness is not what a good IT
professional does.

"Jason" wrote in message

Are you kidding? If there is a risk of this happening to
others, then I think I should let people know in the
hopes that they won't go through what I went through. I'm
glad to hear there are so many success stories, and I'm
sure the success stories out-weigh the disasters by 100-
1, but the fact of the matter is there is still a chance
that your PC will not function after this update. For the
average home user, this is a risk they should be aware
of. As an IT professional I believe I am doing my due
dilegence.
All this being said, based on an earlier post, maybe the
bios update is the answer, but again I refer back to the
avergae home user. If Microsoft is going to put out a
service pack, then everyone should be able to install it
problem-free, otherwise they should advise the general
public.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
On the basis of sample of one you are willing to advise all users?
And, you have even done problem determination? Sorry - shame on you.
"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason


.

There is a chance that your computer will not function after visiting one of
many of hundreds of off-color web sites also.


--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Are you kidding? If there is a risk of this happening to
others, then I think I should let people know in the
hopes that they won't go through what I went through. I'm
glad to hear there are so many success stories, and I'm
sure the success stories out-weigh the disasters by 100-
1, but the fact of the matter is there is still a chance
that your PC will not function after this update. For the
average home user, this is a risk they should be aware
of. As an IT professional I believe I am doing my due
dilegence.
All this being said, based on an earlier post, maybe the
bios update is the answer, but again I refer back to the
avergae home user. If Microsoft is going to put out a
service pack, then everyone should be able to install it
problem-free, otherwise they should advise the general
public.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
On the basis of sample of one you are willing to advise
all users? And, you
have even done problem determination? Sorry - shame on
you.
"Jason" wrote in
message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many
security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth
it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC
no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100%
solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living
so
it's not like this is the first time I work with
Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will
be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason


.

If you believe that software can make a piece of hardware mechanically fail
you must also believe in the tooth fairy!

--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"UserZero" wrote in message
...
I'm happy that your 30 computers have all been updated successfully and
happy
for everyone who has had success in installing the SP2, but I think both
Jason and I would appreciate more helpful replies.

I was unsuccessful in my attempt to install the SP2, in fact it seems to
have caused my hard drive to fail. I have kept up to date with all the XP
updates, have updated virus software, don't have any strange or illegal
programs on the machine and the machine was supplied by Dell.

I'm off to check to see if perhapse my machine had the "one bad process",
but even with that one bad processor Microsoft shouldnt have sent the
update
through the automatic update system, they should have just informed people
it
was available for download and stated the known problems a bit more
clearly.


"Johnny Lingo" wrote:

I have installed SP2 on over 30 machines over the last week or more
(including today's autoupdate release) and I have yet to have ANY
problems.
I believe that if your hardware and software are both in good shape you
should be fine. I have also spoken to many friends and colleagues who
are
in the same boat at as me and saying that this is the most solid SP that
Microsoft has ever released. As long as the systems have been kept up
properly this SP seems to install and run great (except for one
processor).




"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason

Jason is not spreading Foolishness.
I also think that there should be a warning that XP might not boot after
installing SP2.
Your comment "There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell
everyone to not
drive cars?" - not the same catagory.
Everyone knows before they drive cars that Dying is a possibility.
Installing SP2 should be risk free or a least have the warning that it could
fail with the result of a no boot condition.
I can see computer repair shops will be very busy in the near future because
of SP2. Most computer user's don't have a clue how to repair their own
machines. Most computer user's don't even know about these XP newsgroups or
computer forums.

Ron



"Phil" wrote in message
...
There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell everyone to
not drive cars? Of course not. Spreading foolishness is not what a good IT
professional does.

Hello Jason,

No offense, but this post of yours is stupid. Even when
you first install an OS, doesn`t matter if its XP, 2000,
or even (if you still have the floppies) DOS 6.22 & Win
3.1, there is no guarentee it will start up properly. I
have installed XP SP2 on 2 of my 3 computers, 3rd comp is
W2K. I have had no problems on the computers. My W2K has
given me more problems then my XP machines. There are
days when I have to reboot my W2K and I would get BSOD 5
to 7 times in a row, then after that no problem.

So even with a stable OS, you have risks of it not
starting up. As a computer tech, there is all kinds of
things that can cause your comp to not work one time and
other times to work with no problem. Instead of
complaining about SP2 not working, why don`t you
troubleshoot and try to determine what is causing the
problem and then inform others, so they know what to look
for as well and try to formulate a solution.

As for the risk, you don`t know if your computer will
start the next day, you don`t know when your motherboard
decides to crap out on you, or your hard drive decides to
die. Everyday is a risk, there are healthy people who die
when going to sleep, so should I just stay awake cause the
risk of not waking up? So it doesn`t matter if people
install SP2 or not, they face the same risk with their
computer everyday just as you face the risk of not waking
up in the morning or just drop dead from reading a book.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
There is a chance that your computer will not function
after visiting one of
many of hundreds of off-color web sites also.


--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Jason" wrote in
message
...
Are you kidding? If there is a risk of this happening to
others, then I think I should let people know in the
hopes that they won't go through what I went through.
I'm
glad to hear there are so many success stories, and I'm
sure the success stories out-weigh the disasters by 100-
1, but the fact of the matter is there is still a chance
that your PC will not function after this update. For
the
average home user, this is a risk they should be aware
of. As an IT professional I believe I am doing my due
dilegence.
All this being said, based on an earlier post, maybe the
bios update is the answer, but again I refer back to the
avergae home user. If Microsoft is going to put out a
service pack, then everyone should be able to install it
problem-free, otherwise they should advise the general
public.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
On the basis of sample of one you are willing to advise
all users? And, you
have even done problem determination? Sorry - shame on
you.
"Jason" wrote in
message
.. .
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many
security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth
it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC
no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known
good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100%
solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living
so
it's not like this is the first time I work with
Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will
be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first
time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason


.



.

I just want to warn everyone that you should not turn on your computer. No
matter what, under no circumstances should you turn it on. If you do turn it
on, there is a risk that you may do something that messes it up. However if
you do decide to ignore this warning, at the very least do not go online
with it, ever. There are tons of viruses and spyware programs out there;
going online puts you at risk of getting one of these. I work at both NASA
and CompUSA so I know what I'm talking about. Just play it safe, unplug your
computer.

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason

crap going to turn mine off now.. btw i suggest everyone having problems
with SP2
read the following from Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

"Mark" wrote:

I just want to warn everyone that you should not turn on your computer. No
matter what, under no circumstances should you turn it on. If you do turn it
on, there is a risk that you may do something that messes it up. However if
you do decide to ignore this warning, at the very least do not go online
with it, ever. There are tons of viruses and spyware programs out there;
going online puts you at risk of getting one of these. I work at both NASA
and CompUSA so I know what I'm talking about. Just play it safe, unplug your
computer.

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason

Wrong Ron, making any changes to a working PC is a risk, and every user
is well aware - installing a toolbar, virus program, activeX control or even
a service pack is a risk - always has been, always will be, as most of the
issues causing unstable systems is the "user's fault" - not keeping drivers
up to date, having malware, spyware or Trojans lurking in the background, a
virus or two sprinkled in, or trying to install software that is not
certified for their hardware and vice/versa. Microsoft is not responsible
for the drivers of your hardware, the hardware vendors are, again not
responsible for incompatibilities with 3rd party software, gain the software
vendors are, see where we're going here. MS creates the OS, and supplies
patches and service packs to the OS and its Office Suite - these same
patches and service packs are supplied months in advance to the
hardware/software vendors for them to test and if need, supply fixes/patches
to make their hardware/software work with the OS - most don't - they're too
busy creating the next generation (version) of the fancy do-dah software to
waste money on fixing the old version - they just want you to go buy the
upgrade, they don't want to fix the old - so you need to blame the
hardware/software vendors (note MS is guilty of this too, with its Office
suite of products) no MS on the OS level.

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service

*************************************************

"RonK" wrote in message
. ..
Jason is not spreading Foolishness.
I also think that there should be a warning that XP might not boot after
installing SP2.
Your comment "There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell
everyone to not
drive cars?" - not the same catagory.
Everyone knows before they drive cars that Dying is a possibility.
Installing SP2 should be risk free or a least have the warning that it
could fail with the result of a no boot condition.
I can see computer repair shops will be very busy in the near future
because of SP2. Most computer user's don't have a clue how to repair their
own machines. Most computer user's don't even know about these XP
newsgroups or computer forums.

Ron



"Phil" wrote in message
...
There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell everyone to
not drive cars? Of course not. Spreading foolishness is not what a good
IT professional does.

So - you do this for a living - you're doing a clean install - the why in
the !#$# did you not create a slipstreamed version of the XP SP2 install CD
first - why clean install then immediately apply the SP, just another
shortcut you hardware vendors take that makes your systems so !@#$ unstable.
Any you are blaming MS for your shortcut - let's get real here.

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service

*************************************************

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason

So explain to me how installing SP2 caused your hard drive to fail? Bad
clusters? No that's mechanical, then head crash, no again that's mechanical,
unusual noise, no again mechanical, then what? Lost formatting or partition
table information, oh either user error or again mechanical due to just
plain wore out - how many hours on your hard drive? What's the MTBF of your
hard drive? Once you reach MTFB, all bets are off.
So again, how did installing SP2 cause your hard drive to fail?

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service

*************************************************

"UserZero" wrote in message
...
I'm happy that your 30 computers have all been updated successfully and
happy
for everyone who has had success in installing the SP2, but I think both
Jason and I would appreciate more helpful replies.

I was unsuccessful in my attempt to install the SP2, in fact it seems to
have caused my hard drive to fail. I have kept up to date with all the XP
updates, have updated virus software, don't have any strange or illegal
programs on the machine and the machine was supplied by Dell.

I'm off to check to see if perhapse my machine had the "one bad process",
but even with that one bad processor Microsoft shouldnt have sent the
update
through the automatic update system, they should have just informed people
it
was available for download and stated the known problems a bit more
clearly.


"Johnny Lingo" wrote:

I have installed SP2 on over 30 machines over the last week or more
(including today's autoupdate release) and I have yet to have ANY
problems.
I believe that if your hardware and software are both in good shape you
should be fine. I have also spoken to many friends and colleagues who
are
in the same boat at as me and saying that this is the most solid SP that
Microsoft has ever released. As long as the systems have been kept up
properly this SP seems to install and run great (except for one
processor).




"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason

Hey dude, you forgot, even turning it on the damage done to the components,
wear and tear on the movable parts, and heat/cool stressing on the chips and
so forth, after a while causing cracking. And don't forget about the
pollutants in the air pulled through the PC by the fans, especially dust.
(ROFL)

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service

*************************************************

"Mark" NONE wrote in message ...
I just want to warn everyone that you should not turn on your computer. No
matter what, under no circumstances should you turn it on. If you do turn
it on, there is a risk that you may do something that messes it up. However
if you do decide to ignore this warning, at the very least do not go online
with it, ever. There are tons of viruses and spyware programs out there;
going online puts you at risk of getting one of these. I work at both NASA
and CompUSA so I know what I'm talking about. Just play it safe, unplug
your computer.

"Jason" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason

I am currently working on a friends system that
encountered problems with Messenger, Outlook Express, and
severe performance degradation after installing SP2. We
attempted to remove SP2 using the add/remove programs and
now the PC will boot partway and then go into and endless
cycle of startup and shutdown on its own. Any suggestions
to help correct this would be appreciated.
tks...
-----Original Message-----
Hello Jason,

No offense, but this post of yours is stupid. Even when
you first install an OS, doesn`t matter if its XP, 2000,
or even (if you still have the floppies) DOS 6.22 & Win
3.1, there is no guarentee it will start up properly. I
have installed XP SP2 on 2 of my 3 computers, 3rd comp
is
W2K. I have had no problems on the computers. My W2K
has
given me more problems then my XP machines. There are
days when I have to reboot my W2K and I would get BSOD 5
to 7 times in a row, then after that no problem.

So even with a stable OS, you have risks of it not
starting up. As a computer tech, there is all kinds of
things that can cause your comp to not work one time and
other times to work with no problem. Instead of
complaining about SP2 not working, why don`t you
troubleshoot and try to determine what is causing the
problem and then inform others, so they know what to
look
for as well and try to formulate a solution.

As for the risk, you don`t know if your computer will
start the next day, you don`t know when your motherboard
decides to crap out on you, or your hard drive decides
to
die. Everyday is a risk, there are healthy people who
die
when going to sleep, so should I just stay awake cause
the
risk of not waking up? So it doesn`t matter if people
install SP2 or not, they face the same risk with their
computer everyday just as you face the risk of not
waking
up in the morning or just drop dead from reading a book.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
There is a chance that your computer will not function
after visiting one of
many of hundreds of off-color web sites also.


--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

"Jason" wrote in
message
...
Are you kidding? If there is a risk of this happening
to
others, then I think I should let people know in the
hopes that they won't go through what I went through.
I'm
glad to hear there are so many success stories, and
I'm
sure the success stories out-weigh the disasters by
100-
1, but the fact of the matter is there is still a
chance
that your PC will not function after this update. For
the
average home user, this is a risk they should be aware
of. As an IT professional I believe I am doing my due
dilegence.
All this being said, based on an earlier post, maybe
the
bios update is the answer, but again I refer back to
the
avergae home user. If Microsoft is going to put out a
service pack, then everyone should be able to install
it
problem-free, otherwise they should advise the general
public.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
On the basis of sample of one you are willing to
advise
all users? And, you
have even done problem determination? Sorry - shame
on
you.
"Jason" wrote in
message
. ..
Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to
not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many
security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth
it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my
PC
no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known
good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure
for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100%
solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for
you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a
living
so
it's not like this is the first time I work with
Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it
will
be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do
not
install this as a complete update or you may be
stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first
time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need
it.

Sincerely,
Jason


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.

.

Spyware! got proof .... Hell the CIA and FBI have been snooping for years
.... they don't need Billy's help ... I can promise you they couldn't find
their head if it wasn't attached to their butts ...

Prove what you are saying ... show me the spyware that is sending to the
feds .... prove it to me ... because if it is happening then there are ways
of shutting it down ...... but using my "third party firewall" I bet
protects me very well ... even lets me know if I have only had a simple ping
..... all out going has to be approved by me and SP2 doesn't even recognize
my firewall or anti-virus .... until you can back up what you say keep a lid
on it
--
****************
"old" devildog
Semper Fi
****************
****************
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Jason,

Consider yourself fortunate that your PC never started at all. For some
of us it started alright but it also started sending private matters to
Microsoft HQ so that the FBI and CIA can scrutinise whether I am into
some form of terrorism!! The new SP2 contains a spyware to send info to
Microsoft about your habits, likes and dislikes includig what sites you
visit etc etc.

Why do you think M$ wants everybody on this planet to have SP2 installed
whether or not they want it or not. Even if you are using your PC for
mundane tasks such as word processing or spreadshheet, you are required
to have SP2 or you will not be entitled to get further updates to your
windows system to rectify crashes.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx

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Jason wrote:

Hi,
I want to put out a general warning to users to not
install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security
advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it.
I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no
longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good
configuration". I am now restarting the installation
again.
I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for
many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid.
The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you
not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so
it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows.
It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be
the last until Microsoft can get it right.
For all users out there who are debating, do not
install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not
install this as a complete update or you may be stuck
with 4 hours of work and lost data.

If only Microsoft could do things right the first time.

Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it.

Sincerely,
Jason