SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

"Mike H" wrote

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..

It is generally accepted by techies but not your average user and that's not
the only preparation that one needs to do. MS only advised to enable AU
which is irresponsible and the cause for many problems.

On the Windows Update page, there should be a link saying READ THIS BEFORE
INSTALLING SP 2! and automatic update should have never been created in the
first place.

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic
as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from
outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it
has
no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I
then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my
computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to
refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I
get
the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows
what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other
users.

I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of
other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when
you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was
written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.

The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not
warranted.

Alias

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

joseph wrote:

...I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

That's likely to be a long wait!

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:11:48 +1000, "Steven K" wrote:

"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
wrote:

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.

Which should say "disable all startup apps from running on startup in
advance of installing XP2" or similiar.

ie simply closing them means they will run on the reboot which is NOT
recommended.


In fact closing open programs for just the time of installation is fully
sufficient.
SP2 reboots just once - when it has finished installation. No need to
disable startup..

;-)


Not all software that folks add to their systems is properly written. Some
stuff doesn't close properly, or may leave remnants of itself behind after
closing.

Also it's awful hard to find everything to close when you're preparing for the
upgrade. And too tempting to leave stuff running, for convenience.

I agree with Plato, IMHO it's cleaner and easier to disable everything, reboot,
then apply the upgrade. Then let it reboot, and test the upgrade. Finally, re
enable a few applications at a time, and test again.

Anal retentive? Yes. Effective? Hell yes. Waste of time? Possibly.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:43:56 +0200, "Alias" wrote:

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Microsoft. Restoring jobs in the tech industry. One computer at a time. :-)

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:00:14 +0200, "Alias" wrote:

Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

My mother fusses at me for using HER time, when I try to walk her thru fixing
problems on HER computer, in MY spare time (she's 2000 miles away thank
heavens).

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

On 29 Aug 2004 08:26:12 -0700, *email_address_deleted* (joseph) wrote:

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

Don't hold your breath. Folks like you help Microsoft keep the tech industry
(and the spam industry) in business.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com writes:
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause problems,
had decided they weren't going to have the installation made compatible
with, and shut them down. They had months to figure this out.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Ok, I'm sitting here happy to put energy into troubleshooting, Windows
Explorer simply refuses to accept any keystrokes or mouse clicks, can't
select a file in recycle bin, can't select an item in control panel,
can't select a file in an open folder. Have diagnosed that it does not
happen if the system is running in safe mode. Appear to have no other
problems with SP2, thankful for that. Have read hundreds of these
supposed "fixes" and "reasons" that the upgrade didn't work. None of
them apply, don't have Divx, don't have any printer connected, have
all the latest drivers, don't have Zone Alarm, don't have any of the
other "bad" programs, I've even defragged the system, just because some
people somehow think that has anything to do with anything... now tell
me why my energy I've put in for the last three days trying to find a
solution for this hasn't worked?

There are those in the newsgroup with generic good advice, like get rid
of viruses, who could disagree with that, but who I'll bet serious cash
have no evidence that this is the actual source of any of the problems.

There are those in the newsgroup with pointless superstition, like "for
god's sake, just defrag a few more times and maybe a miracle will occur"
but I'll bet serious cash have no evidence that this is the actual source
of any of the problems.

There are a tiny tiny handful of items that actually appear like they
might really address a real problem related to SP2.

And then there are the smart-asses in this group who think it is all
the user's fault and there are no problems with SP2 and if you are
having a problem then you are just too stupid to be a Microsoft customer.
To those I recommend you tell Microsoft buy a series of television
commercials saying "If you had a problem you are too stupid to be
our customer, we don't want you or your money." I imagine Microsoft
will be happy to convey your conclusion to their customers.

Bobby

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use
XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend
AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

Get a grip do you fill your car with gas with the engine running.

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has
no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get
the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows
what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.

I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was
written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.

The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Get a grip do you fill your car with gas with the engine running.

I don't own a car and don't plan to own one. Your analogy is ridiculous.

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic
as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from
outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it
has
no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I
then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my
computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to
refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I
get
the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows
what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other
users.

I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of
other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when
you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was
written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.

The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not
warranted.

Alias

Chuck wrote:
On 29 Aug 2004 08:26:12 -0700, *email_address_deleted* (joseph) wrote:

SNIP

Don't hold your breath. Folks like you help Microsoft keep the tech industry
(and the spam industry) in business.


Now that is plain silly - most security conscious users do not rely on
MS products to ensure their online safety! XP is, security aside, a
pretty good OS and there some pretty good freeware programs that make up
for what is missing from an OS that was never designed with security in
mind.


Charlie.


--
www.peartreegreen.org

I had my part of problem installing SP2
everything go streight forward and my computer was up and running after
installing SP2 and then
I realise that my second hard drive is no longer seen by windows so I had my
C drive which was ok, but my H Drive which is my second hard drive on the
computer was listed in my computer but every time I try to access it it say
can not find path ...

I had to remove SP2 and then everything came back to normal

Bassem

"Steve" wrote in message
...
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

I am not a techie and as my sign in says I am a memaw of 4. I recieved SP2
through the AU and I did not get any message that said "read before
committing suicide" I had alot of problems but thank God my son is a techie
and helped me through them. He said he would not download SP2 untill they
have worked the bugs out. I disabled the firewall and messenger and tweaked
some things and solved me email delimma and now we are working fine ( my
fingers are crossed) Point here is I agree with Alias. Not all of us want to
spend our time "fixing" problems. MS should have sent instructions to us
"dummies" before just sending SP2 through the update! We can not all be as
smart as some of you claim to be.

"Bassem Srouji" wrote:

I had my part of problem installing SP2
everything go streight forward and my computer was up and running after
installing SP2 and then
I realise that my second hard drive is no longer seen by windows so I had my
C drive which was ok, but my H Drive which is my second hard drive on the
computer was listed in my computer but every time I try to access it it say
can not find path ...

I had to remove SP2 and then everything came back to normal

Bassem

"Steve" wrote in message
...
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

"Don Taylor" wrote in message =
...
"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com writes:
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely =
ignored.=20
=20
Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known =
ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause =
problems,
had decided they weren't going to have the installation made =
compatible
with, and shut them down. They had months to figure this out.
=20
Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that =
don't=20
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, =
etc.=20
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running=20
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do =
in=20
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.
=20
Ok, I'm sitting here happy to put energy into troubleshooting, Windows
Explorer simply refuses to accept any keystrokes or mouse clicks, =
can't
select a file in recycle bin, can't select an item in control panel,
can't select a file in an open folder. Have diagnosed that it does =
not
happen if the system is running in safe mode. Appear to have no other
problems with SP2, thankful for that. Have read hundreds of these
supposed "fixes" and "reasons" that the upgrade didn't work. None of
them apply, don't have Divx, don't have any printer connected, have
all the latest drivers, don't have Zone Alarm, don't have any of the
other "bad" programs, I've even defragged the system, just because =
some
people somehow think that has anything to do with anything... now tell
me why my energy I've put in for the last three days trying to find a
solution for this hasn't worked?
=20
There are those in the newsgroup with generic good advice, like get =
rid
of viruses, who could disagree with that, but who I'll bet serious =
cash
have no evidence that this is the actual source of any of the =
problems.
=20
There are those in the newsgroup with pointless superstition, like =
"for
god's sake, just defrag a few more times and maybe a miracle will =
occur"
but I'll bet serious cash have no evidence that this is the actual =
source
of any of the problems.
=20
There are a tiny tiny handful of items that actually appear like they
might really address a real problem related to SP2.
=20
And then there are the smart-asses in this group who think it is all
the user's fault and there are no problems with SP2 and if you are
having a problem then you are just too stupid to be a Microsoft =
customer.
To those I recommend you tell Microsoft buy a series of television
commercials saying "If you had a problem you are too stupid to be
our customer, we don't want you or your money." I imagine Microsoft
will be happy to convey your conclusion to their customers.

Good Post, and I agree. Don't pay any attention to Bobby Boy, this is =
the same little =A2=FCnt that got burning CDs wrong and how they work =
for different types. Of course he never came back to dispute his =
stupidity on that.=20

Isn't it funny how stupid people say other people are stupid!!!

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 'memaw of 4'?

Thanks,
Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"memawof4" wrote in message
...
I am not a techie and as my sign in says I am a memaw of 4. I recieved SP2
through the AU and I did not get any message that said "read before
committing suicide" I had alot of problems but thank God my son is a
techie
and helped me through them. He said he would not download SP2 untill they
have worked the bugs out. I disabled the firewall and messenger and
tweaked
some things and solved me email delimma and now we are working fine ( my
fingers are crossed) Point here is I agree with Alias. Not all of us want
to
spend our time "fixing" problems. MS should have sent instructions to us
"dummies" before just sending SP2 through the update! We can not all be as
smart as some of you claim to be.

"Bassem Srouji" wrote:

I had my part of problem installing SP2
everything go streight forward and my computer was up and running after
installing SP2 and then
I realise that my second hard drive is no longer seen by windows so I
had my
C drive which was ok, but my H Drive which is my second hard drive on
the
computer was listed in my computer but every time I try to access it it
say
can not find path ...

I had to remove SP2 and then everything came back to normal

Bassem

"Steve" wrote in message
...
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be
accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing
a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the
page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!