Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much

Who really cares what you consider useless?

The question was related to the size of the SP2 download. That has nothing
to do with what you think.

Bobby

"Testy" wrote in message
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And the "Severity Center" is pretty much a useless feature, it was the
first thing I disabled. Firewall and Pop-Up blocker also useless to me.

Testy

"NoSpam" wrote in message
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NoNoBadDog! wrote:

First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2
consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package.
It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that
correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates
major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued
since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but
still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It
incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to
Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds
Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code
gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates
approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can
"see".

Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible
things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall.

When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg
downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many
problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're paying
for exactly.


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like the size of ones head has nothing to do with ones intelligence...

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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Who really cares what you consider useless?

The question was related to the size of the SP2 download. That has
nothing
to do with what you think.

Bobby

"Testy" wrote in message
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And the "Severity Center" is pretty much a useless feature, it was
the
first thing I disabled. Firewall and Pop-Up blocker also useless
to me.

Testy

"NoSpam" wrote in message
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NoNoBadDog! wrote:

First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally
wrong. SP2
consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single
package.
It replaces a great number of system files with updated files
that
correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It
incorporates
major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates
issued
since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely
new (but
still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security
Center. It
incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds
security to
Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it
adds
Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of
malicious code
gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates
approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than
you can
"see".

Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only
visible
things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the
firewall.

When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in
3 meg
downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really
that many
problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're
paying
for exactly.


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004

Don Taylor wrote:
So, there might be 100 massive screwups in XP that are supposed to
be fixed with SP2, actually there were estimates that there were
many thousands of massive screwups when XP was first shipped, but
be generous here, one per program, Microsoft changes a line or
two in every one, more in some of them, recompiles all of them
and now has to send you 100 different megabyte or multimegabyte
programs for the update, even though often only a half dozen bytes
really got changed in any one of them.

Delta compression should fix that in the future, which is part of what
SP2 does.

I have a feeling we'll still see bloody large updates from MS though.

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ...
First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2
consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It
replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct
security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major
elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then.
It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame)
version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up
blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook
express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection
that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS
after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code.
It does so much more than you can "see".


But:
- It stills use a lot of RAM
- It's still as slow as it used to be
- Still has virus, adware and spyware!
- As u wrote above, the new firewall is still lame
- Where is tabbed interface for IE?

So what's the difference?

snip

- Where is tabbed interface for IE?


It's called Mozilla. -Dave

And Aquila Deus is still having problems adjusting to his new
anti-hallucination drugs.

Prove your claims of SP2 containing Viruses, adware or spyware.
I dare you to validate a single claim you have made.

You can't, can you?

Shut up and crawl back into the hole you came out of.

You are a loser and a moron.

Bobby


"Aquila Deus" wrote in message

///SNIP////




But:
- It stills use a lot of RAM
- It's still as slow as it used to be
- Still has virus, adware and spyware!
- As u wrote above, the new firewall is still lame
- Where is tabbed interface for IE?

So what's the difference?

Because Microsoft products are half complete!. Microsoft is a publictly quoted company accountable to its shareholders. It has to sell products to generate revenues which should exceed previous period's. The only way to achive this is to rush products even if they are defective knowing that there are people out there prepared to buy anything that has Microsoft logo on it!!.

We have had patches virtually everyday since 09/11/2001 (mm/dd/yyyy) when XP started hitting the high street shops. But this wasn't enough for MS so we had SP1 (128 mb), and now SP2 (272 mb). This is still not enough and now you also need SP1 for .Net Framework 1.1. This should put you on alert that MS products can never be trusted. Read my signature below.


Mixxy wrote:

Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is
200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so
large?

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I use non Microsoft products wherever possible which requires no activation.

I use Netscape 7.2 as my default browser which has everything I need for my work.

I believe in good Financial Management!! I do not believe in enriching rich jerks!

Dave Senior wrote:

Because Microsoft products are half complete!. Microsoft is a publictly
quoted company accountable to its shareholders. It has to sell products
to generate revenues which should exceed previous period's. The only
way to achive this is to rush products even if they are defective
knowing that there are people out there prepared to buy anything that
has Microsoft logo on it!!.

We have had patches virtually everyday since 09/11/2001 (mm/dd/yyyy)
when XP started hitting the high street shops.

Hardly.

But this wasn't enough
for MS so we had SP1 (128 mb),

SOP for any software house to do a rollup.

and now SP2 (272 mb).

Same thing, except it also adds new functionality that's almost enough to
have been called WindowsXP SE and sold as a new release.

This is still not
enough and now you also need SP1 for .Net Framework 1.1. This should put
you on alert that MS products can never be trusted. Read my signature
below.

If you think Linux is 'update free' then you're in for a big surprise.


Mixxy wrote:


Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is
it so large?


-- I use non Microsoft products wherever possible which requires no
activation.

I use Netscape 7.2 as my default browser which has everything I need for
my work.

I believe in good Financial Management!! I do not believe in enriching
rich jerks!

Dave C. wrote:



- Where is tabbed interface for IE?


It's called Mozilla. -Dave

or Crazy Browser, GreenBrowser, MyIE2, DeepNet which are all free
front-ends to IE with tabbed interfaces and include pop-up blockers too.

toad

Mixxy wrote:

Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why
is it so large?

At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

Toad

Toad wrote:
Mixxy wrote:


Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why
is it so large?


At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.

--
Paul

Paul wrote:

Toad wrote:
Mixxy wrote:


Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why
is it so large?


At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.


Good lord, yes. Linux comes with hundreds of programs. Windows XP
would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the patches, and SP2, but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be for
the OS alone.

Since SP-2 includes all the Critical Updates included with SP-1, there
is no need to include updates or SP-1 with SP-2.
Windows XP with SP-2 easily fits on one CD.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"ToolPackinMama" wrote in message
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Good lord, yes. Linux comes with hundreds of programs. Windows XP
would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the patches, and SP2,
but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be
for
the OS alone.

Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in progress
granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to use
compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all those?


"Paul" wrote in message
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Toad wrote:
Mixxy wrote:


Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP
patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big.
Why
is it so large?


At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux
distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.

--
Paul

would there be much of a difference between the size of the OS with or
without the service 0 0. installed? has anybody looked to see if the
'size' grows -dramatically- with the install of the PSS. I realize
that the delivery size is 'x' megs but after the SP is applied, the
install folders and all unneeded / duplicate files are deleted. The
fact is I'm not sure if there are files ADDED as much as they are
overwritten? Went to check the size of my backup compared to the size
currently on the HD, No go as the backup now contains the SP. (been
awhile now since I installed it on the Granddaughters Machine)

"ToolPackinMama" wrote in message
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Paul wrote:

Toad wrote:
Mixxy wrote:


Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP
patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big.
Why
is it so large?


At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux
distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools,
utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.


Good lord, yes. Linux comes with hundreds of programs. Windows XP
would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the patches, and SP2,
but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be
for
the OS alone.