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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
The Grass is greener wrote:
The reports you see in this newsgroup and web write-ups will be those that failed, you will hardly see any for those that have installed it without trouble - that's why you came here. If you had no problem whatever with the install, then you wouldn't say, would you ? A large number are caused by this guy repeatedly posting diatribes. I begin to see him as a troll. -- Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies) Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit) |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Hey Alex,
Nice customer relations attitude you have there. See me as a troll or not, my system worked fine for two years, I install the SP2 virus, now after spending three days on this, I'm still having numerous problems. But that's MY fault. Hysterical! "Alex Nichol" wrote: The Grass is greener wrote: The reports you see in this newsgroup and web write-ups will be those that failed, you will hardly see any for those that have installed it without trouble - that's why you came here. If you had no problem whatever with the install, then you wouldn't say, would you ? A large number are caused by this guy repeatedly posting diatribes. I begin to see him as a troll. -- Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies) Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit) |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Hey tick,
I assure you that you could not walk in and do my job without many years of training either, but I don't call you a "moron." I (like most poeople) don't spend my life on computers like the rest of you techies here. You can't expect the entire world to learn YOUR profession just because YOUR profession can't do it's job!` "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote: SP2 does not cause problems for over 90% of the computers it is installed on. Bobby And on the 10% it does, it's 99.99% PEBCAK errors. The guy is a complete moron. He's not going to listen to reason, Bob, so we might as well leave it to wallow in it's own crapulence. We're certainly not going to be able to beat any sense into it. Just remember - never argue with a moron - they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. -- My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually lose his marbles? |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
If you thing SP-2 is a virus, I suggest you move away from Microsoft
products. This may be appropriate: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...A41937%3A96356 -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message news Hey Alex, Nice customer relations attitude you have there. See me as a troll or not, my system worked fine for two years, I install the SP2 virus, now after spending three days on this, I'm still having numerous problems. But that's MY fault. Hysterical! |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives,"
If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway. The problem is, where did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them? This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's! Your doctor does not expect you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession? "Jon" wrote: A man walks into a doctor's surgery...... "Well I took that medicine that you prescribed for me last week Doctor..... Seemed to do the trick...... Only trouble is now is my memory seems to have totally gone. I can't remember any of my friends and relatives names & addresses" "Did you make a full list of all your friends and relatives before taking the pill? Did you write them down on a separate piece of paper and put them in a draw". "You should do that before each pill that you take" "Errrr....right...was I supposed to? I didn't do that before the last pills you gave me" "Yes it was on the instructions in the packet. You only have yourself to blame. Now get out of my surgery till you learn to read the instructions in medicine packets properly!" Disgruntled, he decides to go for a second opinion.... "Doc, I've lost my memory. Can't remember any of my friends and relatives" "Ok..what's that big book sticking out of your pocket with 'Address Book' written on it...or that one with 'Photo Album' & 'letters' on it?" Aaaagh my addresses, my friends, my photos .. I remember!!! "Rock" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be recalled! "Stephen Harris" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having problems with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft employees) say it so great. Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack. Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without having to be a techy. Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder, look it up on groups.google.com type in keywords in the search window Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages reply by Steve Cochran 6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings: See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip - the full installation with all support files. In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked. It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases. http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055 http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2 Netscape changed the location of where email was stored between version 6 and version 7, which was then not automatically imported. Some people change the default storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be done manually. A minor inconvenience. Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you were told again to make a backup of important files. When you run into a problem which could be corrected by having a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a problem because creating a backup was just too much for you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft. Computers were only invented about 55 years ago. Software that runs on them will not approach perfection for centuries to come. That is why you need backups. You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to. I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive. Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help! Here's my problem: Installed service pack 2. It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express." The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured, Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus, now I'm not receiving any new mail. How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail. Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off. Thanks - Jim If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein, you will find the solution to recover your files. The important word is _backup_, whether doing an OS upgrade or running a system that doesn't change and is isolated from the net. It's not a matter of if but when data loss occurs. The only common sense approach is to have regular and complete backups. If you don't grasp that point and follow it, don't complain when data loss happens. You own it. |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Jupiter baby,
Whayexactly is the definition of a virus anyway? "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote: If you thing SP-2 is a virus, I suggest you move away from Microsoft products. This may be appropriate: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...A41937%3A96356 -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message news Hey Alex, Nice customer relations attitude you have there. See me as a troll or not, my system worked fine for two years, I install the SP2 virus, now after spending three days on this, I'm still having numerous problems. But that's MY fault. Hysterical! |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Jim wrote:
Dude, I'm sure you probably mean well, but when my system is working, I get a msg "updates are avail, do you want to install?", I click "yes" now my system doesn't work, Dude that's not my fault! Sorry, but it is. If you don't perform ESM and something goes wrong, then it's your fault as the error was, with 99.99% certainty, because you failed to maintain a healthy system. I'm sure you wouldn't accept that answer if it were you taking your Xbox to be repaired either. If Bobby had an X-Box (which I'm sure he doesn't) are you making him an offer? I'm sure, if he does have one, it's only gathering dust in the cupboard. I'm sure he'd be more than willing to swap it for your computer (which you're obviously not capable of using). -- My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually lose his marbles? |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
I would hope you would know the meaning of a word you have been
constantly using the last few days. If not, I suggest you quit using words you do not understand until you learn the meaning. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message ... Jupiter baby, Whayexactly is the definition of a virus anyway? |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Jim;
There are many types of back-ups and as many reasons to back-up. The back-up referred during the SP-2 installation has nothing to do with backing up your personal data. Those back-ups are strictly for returning the computer to a pre SP-2 condition if necessary. That is no protection for personal data. This link will tell you a little about where they are located: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spack.htm -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message ... To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives," If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway. The problem is, where did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them? This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's! Your doctor does not expect you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession? "Jon" wrote: A man walks into a doctor's surgery...... "Well I took that medicine that you prescribed for me last week Doctor..... Seemed to do the trick...... Only trouble is now is my memory seems to have totally gone. I can't remember any of my friends and relatives names & addresses" "Did you make a full list of all your friends and relatives before taking the pill? Did you write them down on a separate piece of paper and put them in a draw". "You should do that before each pill that you take" "Errrr....right...was I supposed to? I didn't do that before the last pills you gave me" "Yes it was on the instructions in the packet. You only have yourself to blame. Now get out of my surgery till you learn to read the instructions in medicine packets properly!" Disgruntled, he decides to go for a second opinion.... "Doc, I've lost my memory. Can't remember any of my friends and relatives" "Ok..what's that big book sticking out of your pocket with 'Address Book' written on it...or that one with 'Photo Album' & 'letters' on it?" Aaaagh my addresses, my friends, my photos .. I remember!!! "Rock" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: You "techies" crack me up! A bunch of people have had this and others problems, but it's not Microsofts fault it changed my data, it's the customer's fault. If these were tires and this many probs, it would be recalled! "Stephen Harris" wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... How bout helping me with my problems. Countless people are having problems with this "virus" called "SP2", and a few people (obviously Microsoft employees) say it so great. Nope, I am a computer tech and this is the best ever Service Pack. Windows Firewall let's you have a small home network without having to be a techy. Your email is still there, but it is in a different folder, look it up on groups.google.com type in keywords in the search window Upgrade to XP SP2 has deleted all my old e-mail messages reply by Steve Cochran 6. How does one backup and restore or transfer OE messages and settings: See: http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/backup/index.htm http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx Note that there is also a link in this article to MVP David Guess's free OEBackup programs (www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/) or http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/ oebackupfull2.9.zip - the full installation with all support files. In a high volume newsgroup some posts are going to get overlooked. It is practically quicker and more efficient to use Google in many cases. http://support.microsoft.com/?id=kb;en-us;q313055 http://support.microsoft.com/default...t=windowsxpsp2 Netscape changed the location of where email was stored between version 6 and version 7, which was then not automatically imported. Some people change the default storage location on the hard drive so import needs to be done manually. A minor inconvenience. Use your OE backup if you can't find these files. You have been told many times to make backups and for SP2 you were told again to make a backup of important files. When you run into a problem which could be corrected by having a backup it is nobody's fault but your own that you have a problem because creating a backup was just too much for you to trouble yourself with. So instead of accepting this responsibility you try to put the blame on Microsoft. Computers were only invented about 55 years ago. Software that runs on them will not approach perfection for centuries to come. That is why you need backups. You remind me of people who drive cars and never choose to check the oil even though they know they are "supposed" to. I've installed Sp2 for eleven clients. Nine no problems. One required a re-installation of a program. The other needed the service pack upgrade rerun from the harddrive. Well this will make the third time I've posted about this, so far no help! Here's my problem: Installed service pack 2. It wiped out my settings in "Outlook Express." The Account, POP Server and SMTP Server info were gone. I reconfigured, Now my previously read mail, address book contacts, etc, are gone. Plus, now I'm not receiving any new mail. How can I get it back? I REALLY, REALLY need to recover some of the mail. Unfortunately for some reason, my System Restore was turned off. Thanks - Jim If you can be bothered to read my email and the links contained therein, you will find the solution to recover your files. The important word is _backup_, whether doing an OS upgrade or running a system that doesn't change and is isolated from the net. It's not a matter of if but when data loss occurs. The only common sense approach is to have regular and complete backups. If you don't grasp that point and follow it, don't complain when data loss happens. You own it. |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Jup,
Main Entry: viĀ·rus Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s Function: noun 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly innocuous program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other programs and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data) "(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me. No wonder you didn't want to give the definition......... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote: I would hope you would know the meaning of a word you have been constantly using the last few days. If not, I suggest you quit using words you do not understand until you learn the meaning. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message ... Jupiter baby, Whayexactly is the definition of a virus anyway? |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
Jim wrote:
To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives," If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway. You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us - in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates, nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have known that. The problem is, where did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them? See above. This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's! And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity! Your doctor does not expect you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession? Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they don't, they put full instructions on their website here http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx, specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you. I'll quote the front page for you. Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses, hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center. Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer: 1. Back up your critical files 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's manufacturer. Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other critical updates. The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation. You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to own a computer. You are a moron. -- My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually lose his marbles? |
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Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it),
I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about. "Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote: Jim wrote: To all of you "BOC's -- Backup Obsessive Compulsives," If you truly know about SP2, YOU would know it had a pop up screen that said "please wait while we backup your files." Ergo, backups (or lack thereof) were not the problem anyway. You truly are a f*ckwit of the highest order. Are you seriously telling us - in all seriousness - that you thought that 'backing up files' meant it was performing a full system backup?! It backs the files that SP2 updates, nothing more. It takes about five minutes (if that) to back up files - you seriously think that, in that time, it backs up your entire hard drive in that time?! But, had you bothered to do any homework at all, you'd have known that. The problem is, where did it put the backed up files, what was I supposed to do with them and (most importantly), why should I know what to do with them? See above. This isn't my field! It's Microsoft's! And how is common sense and clue Microsoft's field?! You clearly have neither. How on earth can it be Microsoft's fault if you fail to sustain a properly maintained system?! Is it Microsoft's fault that you completely failed to perform a full system back up before proceeding with such a major update?! No it is not. Stop blaming Microsoft for your own stupidity! Your doctor does not expect you to be medically trained to be treated, your phamacist does not expect you to know how drugs interact, whu are computer people always expecting the general public to learn THEIR profession? Erm, they don't. However, a doctor does expect that their patient has the common sense to read the label on the medicine bottle and follow the instructions. Microsoft expects their users to have the common sense to perform a full system backup and cleanse their systems; but, in case they don't, they put full instructions on their website here http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.aspx, specifically for cretinous morons (or moronic cretins) such as you. I'll quote the front page for you. Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) provides better protection against viruses, hackers, and worms, and includes Windows Firewall, Pop-up Blocker for Internet Explorer, and the new Windows Security Center. Important: Follow these steps before installing Windows XP SP2 to prevent potential conflicts with other software on your computer: 1. Back up your critical files 2. Check your computer for spyware and other unwanted software 3. Check for special update instructions from your computer's manufacturer. Once you have completed these steps, you can download this and all other critical updates. The best thing you can do now is sell your computer and buy a PlayStation. You don't have the mental capability - or the common sense - to operate a computer. Or, if your computer is still under warranty, suggest you package it back up and take it back to the shop and tell them you're too stupid to own a computer. You are a moron. -- My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually lose his marbles? |
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Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to
me." Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you may be taken seriously. But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes. Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault. Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major change...another fact you have yet to learn. You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by your on unjustified bias. Step back a bit. Try a Clean Installation on your computer. Then see how SP-2 installation goes. You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on your now clean computer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message ... Jup, Main Entry: vi·rus Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s Function: noun 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly innocuous program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other programs and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data) "(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me. No wonder you didn't want to give the definition......... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote: |
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All who think SP2 is SOOOO great,
You know, you guys are so obsessed about this backup issue, you think I'm
missing the point? Geez, my data is there. With the help of Jon, I found it. The data and backups are not the issue here. The issue is, why did this upgrade completely wipe out my outlook express and then leave it up to the end user to figure out how to reconfigure it and transfer the data back? That's a weird way of doing business. It's not like I'm the only one who's had this problem. I searched through some other posts, a lot of people have posted problems with SP2, including this same one! That's just people who know enough to come here! Most people just ask a computer guy where they work or whatever, so you are only seeing the tip of things. It's also not like I went to xyz.com and downloaded something without knowing what it was. This was from Microsoft, it should've performed better! They just need to step up and admit it didn't perfom as well as it could have instead of calling your customers "morons." I can't imagine causing my customers to have a problem and then telling them it's their fault? I don't think Microsoft employees accept that where they do business either! I'm marking this thread as "NO" on the question "Did this post answer the question? " simply because of all the unwarranted grief I recieved from people here. bye "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote: Flawed observation ""(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me." Now if you would seriously consider all other possibilities, you may be taken seriously. But so far, you have totally ignored other possible causes. Anyone that has "destroying data" is totally their own fault. Routine back-ups are always important, not just during a major change...another fact you have yet to learn. You have proven nothing except your dislike for SP-2 fuelled by your on unjustified bias. Step back a bit. Try a Clean Installation on your computer. Then see how SP-2 installation goes. You have nothing to lose except that possibly SP-2 would work on your now clean computer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Jim" wrote in message ... Jup, Main Entry: viĀ·rus Pronunciation: 'vI-r&s Function: noun 4 : a computer program usually hidden within another seemingly innocuous program that produces copies of itself and inserts them into other programs and that usually performs a malicious action (as destroying data) "(as destroying data)" Pretty much what SP2 did to me. No wonder you didn't want to give the definition......... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote: |
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Jim wrote:
Hey tick f@ckwit (as you so elequently put it), I don't have system problems, I have email problems. Problems I (and many other posters) did not have until SP2. If you're going to make stupid remarks, at least know what the thread is about. Oh PLEASE!! Give me strength! I know exactly what the thread is about - it's about a moronic f*ckwit called Jim (that's you by the way - in case you're too stupid to recognise yourself) who was too stupid to back up his files before installing SP2 (totally ignoring Microsoft's - and 99.99% of the user community's - advice. It's about someone so stupid that, when someone (OK several people) pointed out his error instead of conceding, continued to deny everything and blame Microsoft with stupid remarks such as "Why do computer people thnk we should know their job?" and "SP2 backed up my files before installing". Well I, and I'm sure many others, wash our hands of you. Microsoft did make something just for you - they call it the XBox. It currently retails for £100 (which includes a game) so you should have plenty of cash left over from selling your computer. Don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down. *CLUNK* *PLONK* I broke my golden rule because you just infuriated me that much. There is a famous saying that definitely applies to you: - http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm That just about sums you up nicely. Now do go away and stop polluting Usenet. It (used to be at least) is ecologically sound here and we don't need your effluence polluting the crystal clear rivers of ideas and good advice here (some of which we offered to you, but you declined on the grounds of stupidity). picks up Jim and dumps him in the toilet *FLUSH* -- My great-grandfather was born and raised in Elgin - did he eventually lose his marbles? |
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