SP2??

This is a stupid comment.

"Mary Alice" wrote in message
...
If it's SOooo important, why didn't they offer it as a single update and
leave all the other eye-candy, show-and-tell stuff off?

Preparation my Axx!!

If a user had taken Microsoft's lying word and turned on Automatic Updates
when it first became available, trusted his computer updates to them, as the
Automatic Update implies, they would have NO idea that preparation, of any
sort/kind, was not only recommended but demanded prior to sp2 install.

--

"Rock" wrote in message
...
Patty wrote:

After reading so many horror stories about SP2 in these newsgroups, I'm
kind
of sceptical about downloading it. Is it truly necessary to download it
or
am I safe as long as I have SP1 and keep my Windows Updates - Updated??
Is there any necessary steps that should be taken before SP2 is
downloaded??
Such as, turning off your AV program or Firewall? Any help here would
be
appreciated. Patty



Preparation is the key to a successful upgrade, Patty. Notwithstanding
the problems posted to this group, the upgrade goes fine for the vast
majority of users. Backup your system before hand, which is something
you should be doing all the time, anyway. If something goes wrong sp2
can be easily uninstalled, and we are here to help if you have questions
and/or issues. Don't be afraid of something just based on the words of
some vocal nay sayers.

Installing Service Packs
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Pre-Install, Install, Cleaning Up Afterwards
http://forum.aumha.org/viewforum.php?f=45

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

Get the Latest Updates and Information from Your PC Manufacturer Before
Installing Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/oemlinks.mspx

The hard disk space requirements for Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=837783

Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx

Windows XP Service Pack 2: What's New for Internet Explorer and Outlook
Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...eoverview.mspx

Semantics - Ok, I'll play.

Don't 'show' me then - how about *telling* be about a feature I can't live
without?

--

"luminos" wrote in message
...

"Mary Alice" wrote in message
...
Patty - I've yet to have anyone show to me a sp2 feature that I can't
live
without.

That is because the features are not visible.

I've has people use words like 'should' and 'recommend' but no one
has used the word 'need'. The word can't apply since many of us have
survived just fine sans sp2.

--

"Patty" wrote in message
...
After reading so many horror stories about SP2 in these newsgroups, I'm
kind
of sceptical about downloading it. Is it truly necessary to download
it
or
am I safe as long as I have SP1 and keep my Windows Updates - Updated??
Is there any necessary steps that should be taken before SP2 is
downloaded??
Such as, turning off your AV program or Firewall? Any help here would
be
appreciated. Patty

And - can you explain exactly what that is going to be?


--

"luminos" wrote in message
...
You have a disaster waiting to happen and are obstinate enough to ignore
it.

"Mary Alice" wrote in message
...
I don't need/use the existing windows firewalls - they interfere with my
"Microsoft Windows Network" (Imagine THAT) - so the same-ole on steroids
will serve no purpose here either.

I get so few popup ads - Google gets most of them - that issue is of no
never mind. If they were to offer an IE popup blocker that was a simple
snap-in, put one icon on an existing toolbar to simply turn it on/off, I
may
be interested.

Security? I routinely run security checks/attacks against my computers
and
they are always 100% stealth!

I'm 'into' computers more than the average user by a pretty fair bit. I
like having the 'latest-and-greatest' just as much as the next. I'm NOT
against Microsoft updates. I have all pertinent to windows, Microsoft
hardware and software updates to date.

IMO - sp2 offers not a single thing that's worth the risk!

--

"EW" wrote in message
...

"Mary Alice" wrote in message
...
Patty - I've yet to have anyone show to me a sp2 feature that I
can't
live
without. I've has people use words like 'should' and 'recommend' but
no
one
has used the word 'need'. The word can't apply since many of us have
survived just fine sans sp2.

--

Mary, you really NEED the security that SP-2 provides! Plus, the
pop-up
blocker is very good and the firewall is rock solid. Lots of other
changes
that provide improvement. I was extremely nervous about installing it,
but
I did, and it works great. Besides, if problems arise, one can always
uninstall it.

EW

"Ken Blake" wrote in message

With SP2, you're dealing mostly with fixes and security issues.
Think of it like the seatbelts or airbag in your car. Do you want
to say that you don't "need" a seatbelt or an airbag?

Lemme tell you what I told Alex: I get the feeling you're saying this
because you work for them. As I said B4, I have ZoneAlarm, I have AVG, I
have DCOMbobulator, and every check I do @ GRCs 'Sheilds Up' gets a passing
grade
of TruStealth.

Why would I need it?

Every time I check and both my systems.

quote
All attempts to get any information from your computer have FAILED. (This is
very uncommon for a Windows networking-based PC.) Relative to
vulnerabilities from Windows networking, this computer appears to be VERY
SECURE since it is NOT exposing ANY of its internal NetBIOS networking
protocol over the Internet.
/quote.

Plus NAV pro running as well as two anti-spyware applets.

Why would I need it?

I agree


--

"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
...

"Ken Blake" wrote in message

With SP2, you're dealing mostly with fixes and security issues.
Think of it like the seatbelts or airbag in your car. Do you want
to say that you don't "need" a seatbelt or an airbag?

Lemme tell you what I told Alex: I get the feeling you're saying this
because you work for them. As I said B4, I have ZoneAlarm, I have AVG, I
have DCOMbobulator, and every check I do @ GRCs 'Sheilds Up' gets a
passing
grade
of TruStealth.

Why would I need it?

Mary Alice wrote:

Preparation my Axx!!

If a user had taken Microsoft's lying word and turned on Automatic Updates
when it first became available, trusted his computer updates to them, as the
Automatic Update implies, they would have NO idea that preparation, of any
sort/kind, was not only recommended but demanded prior to sp2 install.


Why do you have some personal issue about this? Yes preparation is the
key. Always has been with computers. Preparation, knowledge,
maintenance, backups, and safe computing. A bit of each of these and
most problems are avoided or easily resolved.

I haven't installed SP2 yet, but it is only because I'm still fighting
problems with the CPU on my new machine, and it's usually sound advice to
avoid complication where a problem already exists. I plan to, however, when
the problem is resolved--a large number of the fixes involved help cut down
on further attacks on everyone else's machine, so one does it at least
partly as a responsibility, seems to me.

Joe
"Rock" wrote in message
...
Patty wrote:

After reading so many horror stories about SP2 in these newsgroups, I'm
kind
of sceptical about downloading it. Is it truly necessary to download it
or
am I safe as long as I have SP1 and keep my Windows Updates - Updated??
Is there any necessary steps that should be taken before SP2 is
downloaded??
Such as, turning off your AV program or Firewall? Any help here would
be
appreciated. Patty



Preparation is the key to a successful upgrade, Patty. Notwithstanding
the problems posted to this group, the upgrade goes fine for the vast
majority of users. Backup your system before hand, which is something
you should be doing all the time, anyway. If something goes wrong sp2
can be easily uninstalled, and we are here to help if you have questions
and/or issues. Don't be afraid of something just based on the words of
some vocal nay sayers.

Installing Service Packs
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

Pre-Install, Install, Cleaning Up Afterwards
http://forum.aumha.org/viewforum.php?f=45

What to Know Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

Get the Latest Updates and Information from Your PC Manufacturer Before
Installing Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/oemlinks.mspx

The hard disk space requirements for Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=837783

Changes to Functionality in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx

Windows XP Service Pack 2: What's New for Internet Explorer and Outlook
Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...eoverview.mspx

And - another one

Conclusion: Healthy Setup! We could detect no interesting responses from any
of the commonly probed TCP and UDP ports. It would be difficult for an
attacker to know where to start without further information.

I could go on with three of four more - but what would be the point.

WHAT in sp2 is going to make my computers more secure?

--

"Mary Alice" wrote in message
...
Every time I check and both my systems.

quote
All attempts to get any information from your computer have FAILED. (This
is
very uncommon for a Windows networking-based PC.) Relative to
vulnerabilities from Windows networking, this computer appears to be VERY
SECURE since it is NOT exposing ANY of its internal NetBIOS networking
protocol over the Internet.
/quote.

Plus NAV pro running as well as two anti-spyware applets.

Why would I need it?

I agree


--

"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
...

"Ken Blake" wrote in message

With SP2, you're dealing mostly with fixes and security issues.
Think of it like the seatbelts or airbag in your car. Do you want
to say that you don't "need" a seatbelt or an airbag?

Lemme tell you what I told Alex: I get the feeling you're saying this
because you work for them. As I said B4, I have ZoneAlarm, I have AVG,
I
have DCOMbobulator, and every check I do @ GRCs 'Sheilds Up' gets a
passing
grade
of TruStealth.

Why would I need it?

Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Mary Alice" wrote:

| WHAT in sp2 is going to make my computers more secure?

Mary Alice;
Yes preparation is the key.
If you would look at the link provided, Service Pack Installation
Checklist, (it seems you haven't) most of the preparation (red) is
routine maintenance, what every computer routinely needs anyways.
Why do you think it is unnecessary to maintain your computer?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Mary Alice" wrote in message
...
Preparation my Axx!!

If a user had taken Microsoft's lying word and turned on Automatic
Updates
when it first became available, trusted his computer updates to
them, as the
Automatic Update implies, they would have NO idea that preparation,
of any
sort/kind, was not only recommended but demanded prior to sp2
install.

Definitely resolve all issues first.
Pre-existing problems known and unknown cause a lot of SP-2 issues.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"jt3" wrote in message
...
I haven't installed SP2 yet, but it is only because I'm still
fighting
problems with the CPU on my new machine, and it's usually sound
advice to
avoid complication where a problem already exists. I plan to,
however, when
the problem is resolved--a large number of the fixes involved help
cut down
on further attacks on everyone else's machine, so one does it at
least
partly as a responsibility, seems to me.

"Mary Alice" wrote in message
Patty - I've yet to have anyone show to me a sp2 feature that I can't
live without.

"luminos" writes:
That is because the features are not visible.

But we have seen multiple posters here swearing that they have
personally witnessed that SP2 is the greatest advance in computing
since the invention of one and zero.

Actually I'd like to see what it is that they have seen.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx

Lemme tell you what I told Alex and Ken: I get the feeling you're saying
this
because you work for them. As I said B4, I have ZoneAlarm, I have AVG, I
have DCOMbobulator, and every check I do @ GRCs 'Sheilds Up' gets a passing
grade of TruStealth.

Why would I need it?

John;
If you are vigilant at keeping your computer secure, you may not need
SP-2...today, tomorrow may be a different answer.

Most people that have to ask, need SP-2

None of them work for Microsoft.
They also do not have any obligation to promote any Microsoft product
or patch.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"John R. Sellers" wrote in message
...

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Top 10 Reasons to Install Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/topten.mspx

Lemme tell you what I told Alex and Ken: I get the feeling you're
saying
this
because you work for them. As I said B4, I have ZoneAlarm, I have
AVG, I
have DCOMbobulator, and every check I do @ GRCs 'Sheilds Up' gets a
passing
grade of TruStealth.

Why would I need it?