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Well I'm late with my results, but a VPC with XP-SP2 was
repaired with the original "Gold" version CD-ROM. Worked as expected, no issues. The SP2 XP instance was slipstreamed so no SP Uninstall or ServicePackFiles factored into the test. "Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote in message ... Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, That did not happen for me when following the instructions he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm This on a slipstreamed WinXP SP2 installation (so the $NTServicePackUinistall$ folder did not exist). The computer ended up with WinXP SP1 installed. -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. And I can attest that a clean install from an OEM Win XP Pro Sp2 CD (not slipstreamed) can be taken back to SP1 with a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. Carey is full of it, as is nearly usual. He never tests anything for himself. Thanks again, Torgeir. Steve |
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Torgeir Bakken (MVP) wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Hi, No, you will not... I have just tested this: Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 2 is installed. Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed he http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or files, everything goes smoothly. After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone. Conclusion: With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder. I was gonna test it myself after the Indy 500 was over, but you saved me from having to. Again, thanks Torgeir! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Dilip wrote:
Hi Torgeir, If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In that case, would there be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Please verify, thanks. There are no key changes between SP1 & 2. As long as you are using the same type of XP, OEM SP1 to repair a OEM SP2 install. Or Retail SP1 to repair a Retail SP2 install. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Stephen wrote:
Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh, at least in my opinion. And who the f*^ck are you? Do you know Carey's track record of being wrong? If you don't then you should just shut the f*^ck up! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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yes, it was already set to passive.
regards "Steve N." wrote in message ink.net... John wrote: I have got a couple of new pcs coming in the same configuration. If I repair-install with sp1 before installing any app, would that work? Obviously I can always completely wipe off and start with sp1 on a pc but whatever is quickest. Regards Did you try setting FTP to passive mode as I suggested? Steve "lucyfer" wrote in message ... Hi John, I noticed that your SP2 is pre-installed ,so cannot be removed separatedly. "John" . gbl... Would any of these method required re-installing apps? Thanks Regards "S.Sengupta" wrote in message .. . How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875350 regards, ssg MS-MVP John wrote: Hi Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation? Ideally I would like to retain all apps during the process if possible. Thanks Regards |
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Stephen wrote:
Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh, at least in my opinion. Hey Stephen, I appreciate your reply and concern. I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but over in xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud. I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in the past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is negative and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other regulars over there) to get him to either wake up and change his crappy habits, or shut the hell up. This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has publicly corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know, because I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time, effort and potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he still doesn't cop to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That proves to me (and many others) that he has no respect for the rest of us non-MVP regulars who have the balls to challenge him. I don't know about you, but in my mind that makes him a fraud and someone who habitually tells lies and is unrepentive is just a liar, plain and simple. At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly by accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no concern for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to keep his MVP title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles and propaganda (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised or questions asked) in so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. Well guess what? The rest of us are wise to his BS and are calling him on it. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown. Steve |
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lol I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently right
on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've learned a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more than I can say for you. Ted Zieglar "Steve N." wrote in message nk.net... Stephen wrote: Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh, at least in my opinion. Hey Stephen, I appreciate your reply and concern. I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but over in xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud. I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in the past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is negative and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other regulars over there) to get him to either wake up and change his crappy habits, or shut the hell up. This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has publicly corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know, because I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time, effort and potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he still doesn't cop to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That proves to me (and many others) that he has no respect for the rest of us non-MVP regulars who have the balls to challenge him. I don't know about you, but in my mind that makes him a fraud and someone who habitually tells lies and is unrepentive is just a liar, plain and simple. At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly by accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no concern for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to keep his MVP title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles and propaganda (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised or questions asked) in so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. Well guess what? The rest of us are wise to his BS and are calling him on it. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown. Steve |
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But he is bland. He does not have a personality. He needs a good flame =
war so we can see who he really is. --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------- http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/...nt/001075.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Ted Zieglar" wrote in message = ... lol I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently = right=20 on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've learned a = great=20 deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more than I can = say=20 for you. =20 Ted Zieglar =20 "Steve N." wrote in message=20 nk.net... Stephen wrote: Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a = repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box = is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts = right,=20 but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't = cover=20 everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a = little=20 harsh, at least in my opinion. Hey Stephen, I appreciate your reply and concern. I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but = over in=20 xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud. I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in = the=20 past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is = negative=20 and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other regulars = over=20 there) to get him to either wake up and change his crappy habits, or = shut=20 the hell up. This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has = publicly=20 corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting=20 bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know, = because=20 I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time, effort = and=20 potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he still = doesn't cop=20 to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That proves to me (and = many=20 others) that he has no respect for the rest of us non-MVP regulars = who=20 have the balls to challenge him. I don't know about you, but in my = mind=20 that makes him a fraud and someone who habitually tells lies and is=20 unrepentive is just a liar, plain and simple. At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly by = accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no = concern=20 for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to keep his = MVP=20 title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles and = propaganda=20 (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised or questions = asked) in=20 so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. Well guess what? The = rest=20 of us are wise to his BS and are calling him on it. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown. Steve =20 =20 |
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Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
altogether? Yes. Well yes, then, of course this would work. The problem might be getting one of those disks from the manufacturer. There was never a doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2 disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about. Has anyone tried this? In that case, would there be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2 OS installation, there will be no product key complications. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Nope. No surprises there; we all know it 8-). -- torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of the 1328 page Scripting Guide: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...r/default.mspx |
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Ted Zieglar wrote:
lol I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently right on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've learned a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more than I can say for you. Ted Zieglar I admit it when I'm wrong. Carey never does, and he is NOT consistently right on the money. He gives rote answers that often don't even apply to the questions asked and he doesn't test or research things before answering. I do test and research my answers and I've proven him wrong many times, as have others. Sure, he's right many times, and anyone is allowed to make mistakes, but he lacks the respect for people to follow up or admit it when he's wrong and he refuses to learn anything from anyone else. He diverts issues or merely repeats himself when confronted, that is if he even bothers to reply at all. Steve "Steve N." wrote in message nk.net... Stephen wrote: Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh, at least in my opinion. Hey Stephen, I appreciate your reply and concern. I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but over in xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud. I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in the past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is negative and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other regulars over there) to get him to either wake up and change his crappy habits, or shut the hell up. This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has publicly corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know, because I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time, effort and potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he still doesn't cop to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That proves to me (and many others) that he has no respect for the rest of us non-MVP regulars who have the balls to challenge him. I don't know about you, but in my mind that makes him a fraud and someone who habitually tells lies and is unrepentive is just a liar, plain and simple. At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly by accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no concern for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to keep his MVP title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles and propaganda (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised or questions asked) in so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. Well guess what? The rest of us are wise to his BS and are calling him on it. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown. Steve |
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Ted Zieglar wrote:
lol I've been reading Carey's posts for years. He is consistently right on the money, as much as any human being can be, and I've learned a great deal from his answers to peoples' questions. Which is more than I can say for you. LOL! Then you are blind, deaf, and dumb, and I don't mean the latter as in you are incapable of speaking. Carey is the most consistently wrong regular, MVP or non-MVP, in XP-gen. He often misreads post, so that what he copies and pastes often has nothing to do with what the OP is asking. And the only thing that is consistent about Carey is that he copies and paste his answers. And if you didn't know how to copy and paste then Carey would be an authority on that, and that only! Carey regurgitates the answers of others, and hasn't shown that to me that he knows ANYTHING about computing, other than copying and pasting, and how to use OE as a newsreader, and I've reading his posts for at least the last 3 years. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Dilip wrote:
Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? Yes. Well yes, then, of course this would work. Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work. The problem might be getting one of those disks from the manufacturer. "Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?" One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if he was asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1. There was never a doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2 disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about. Has anyone tried this? I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt an OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply. In that case, would there be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2 OS installation, there will be no product key complications. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time? Nope. No surprises there; we all know it 8-). LOL! At least most of us know it. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Stephen wrote:
Steve N. wrote: Stephen wrote: Steve N. wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort. Now how can I put this mildly?... I just did it with a clean install of XP Pro OEM SP2 and did a repair install from an XP Pro OEM SP1 CD. No errors, no problems, the box is now running XP Pro SP1. You are a liar and a fraud. You never test anything. I do and I've proven you wrong once again. You don't deserve the MVP title. Steve "Liar" is a little harsh here. Someone may not have their facts right, but that doesn't make them a liar. And even Windows wizzes can't cover everything so although he might be mistaken, "fraud" too is a little harsh, at least in my opinion. Hey Stephen, I appreciate your reply and concern. I don't know which of these NGs you regularly participate in, but over in xp.gen Carey Frisch is a proven liar and fraud. I'm sorry if my post seems harsh to you, but Carey has admitted in the past that he never pays any attention to criticism unless it is negative and insulting and I'm just trying (along with some other regulars over there) to get him to either wake up and change his crappy habits, or shut the hell up. This is the first time (that I know of) that another MVP has publicly corrected him in xp.gen and he's still back-pedalling and spouting bullcrap over it. He didn't test the scanario in question (I know, because I did, on my own machine and at the expense of my own time, effort and potential data loss, and guess what? It worked!) and he still doesn't cop to this or any other "mistakes" he has made! That proves to me (and many others) that he has no respect for the rest of us non-MVP regulars who have the balls to challenge him. I don't know about you, but in my mind that makes him a fraud and someone who habitually tells lies and is unrepentive is just a liar, plain and simple. At best Carey is a copy/paste bot that is sometimes right (mostly by accident, I think), at worst he's a liar and a fraud that has no concern for actually helping people, he apparently just wants to keep his MVP title by being so prolific with posts citing MS KB articles and propaganda (even if they have no bearing on the issues raised or questions asked) in so many newsgroups that he can't possibly lose. Well guess what? The rest of us are wise to his BS and are calling him on it. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on this clown. Steve Well one thing I intend to do is set up the scenario - I'm curious. The scenario of an SP1 repair install over SP2? I just did it yesterday, so did Torgeir. Niether of us had any problems, but go right ahead, the more the merrier. It actually went very quickly and there wasn't a need to re-activate either. Steve |
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