How can I post in OE?

jhon wrote:
I appreciate all discussions. Thank you.
To answer your question, I subscribe to different NNTP servers for different
contents. For example one NNTP is msnews.microsoft.com, another
news.abcdef.com, third news.blahblah.net, then I subscribe to three NNTP
servers. Is there another way to do so? I want to know how to do that.

In a truely basic / simple system, you would make one account for news.
Use whatever works, and the server would be your ISP. Or whatever
your ISP dones out. I have verizon and I of course use
news.verizon.net. And I have to login etc as its not a free server.
Once connected you just download all the groups and pick as many as you
want. I have 12 text groups. They all are in one account under one
NNTP server.

There is no reason not to do what you are doing. Name changes is
obvious reason, direct access to msnews.microsoft.com is another. You
can even buy service from NNTP services other than your ISP and make an
account for that. Verizon has a horrible retention rate, about 5-7
days. So if I want to read history going back 20 days, I would have to
use something else other than my ISP.
On the other hand, Verizon has 0.verizon.x.x.x groups that are strictly
for internal conversation about Verizon issues. Like announcements,
discussion, Q&A about FIOS, suggestion box etc.

HTH.


To subscribe each of them I give the same fake user info including user name
and email, because I think they are just informational and I don't want to
reveal my personal info.

For me, my ISP only offers me the Internet connection.

"Big_Al" wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.
I take it you have more than 2?


jhon wrote:
Right let's stick to the issue.
Maybe I re-summarize. In my OE I setup a few newsgroups. I mean, a few NNTP
servers.

Some of them, I can only view, I cannot post, if I post, I get failure
notice and my message stays in Outbox.

Some of them, I can post or reply, I see what I write in a few seconds or if
I refresh. This is what I expected for MS NNTP as well.

Then the MS ones. I subscribed several newsgroups and in none of them I can
post or reply, but my messages go to Sent box and I get no error. They just
don't appear.

I want to diagnostic why my posts to MS NNTP vanish.
"David Webb" wrote:

Comments inline...

"jhon" wrote in message
...
Very odd! Just now I posted a reply (which was the same as below) and I saw
it appear in this thread. Now I navigate through 'All Newsgroups by
Language', Windows, XP, 'Start-Help and Support...', it is the same thread
because I saw all previous posts, but my recent reply (as below) disappeared!

This problem is not related to the OE issue. The web based interface should be
avoided, if at all possible.

To answer David, at the same time I have some other newsgroup, in same OE,
that I can
post or reply, with the same fake email address. So I guess it should not be
the ISP issue.

You say "other newsgroup", is this using the same NNTP server or did you mean
"another NNTP server" ?

"David Webb" wrote:
It could be your fake address. Some ISPs will not accept any outgoing mail
unless it's from their domain or if the e-mail client is not configured
properly.

Try re-doing your fake address so that domain name is correct and only your
user
name is fake.

Also, make sure that you have a correct e-mail address and password in the
property settings in your MAIL account. Do you have any problems sending or
receiving in the mail account? Don't forget that it's your ISP that's sending
out newsgroup messages, so the MAIL settings have to be correct.

"jhon" wrote in message
...
No. It first appears in Outbox, then in 1-2 seconds goes to Sent box. But I
never see it appear in newgroup thenafter. I tried many times on different
msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups. I do have other non-microsoft newsgroup in
which I cannot post, but for that newsgroup message stays in Outbox and I
get
failure notice. For this microsoft one, I never get failure but it just
doesn't appear. I can only do it on web.

Does it have anything to do with login? Because I use a fake email in OE.

"David Webb" wrote:

Anything stuck in the Outbox?

"jhon" wrote in message
...
Yes, I do use msnews.microsoft.com as a server.
When I 'reply group', or when I post a new message, the compose screen
comes
up and it has a news group in the 'To:' box.
Thanks.

"Big_Al" wrote:

John Smith wrote:
No, I click 'reply group'. And I cannot post new message either.
"Mark L. Ferguson" wrote in
message ...
You are probably clicking "Reply" instead of "Reply Group". Reply
sends
it
email.

--
click the Ratings button. Voting helps the web interface.
http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales...help_en-us.htm see ''rate
a
post''
Mark L. Ferguson

"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to Sent
box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view threads,
but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?
When you pick a message and hit 'reply group', the compose screen comes
up. Does it have a news group in the "To:" box?

The only other thing I can suggest is that you use msnews.microsoft.com
as a server and not your provider. Your ISP may have an update
problem.
You need no login / password for msnews.

To David: I have checked my NNTP setting OK for MS NNTP. As it doesnt require
login there are not much to setup.
To Big_AI: Do you mean your ISP maintains all newsgroups including the MS
ones? Here it is not the same. My ISP has a news server and it includes some
MS newsgroups, but they are not maintained. For example I can find this
newsgroup in my ISP's NNTP server, but it is empty!

"David Webb" wrote:

At this point all I can suggest is that you verify the setup properties for each
NNTP server you have configured. Some require a login and some do not. Some
require a secure connection (SSL) and some do not. The MS server does not
require a login or a secure connection.

Here's a good setup reference:

Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail to access Microsoft newsgroups
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm


Good luck!

"jhon" wrote in message
...
I appreciate all discussions. Thank you.
To answer your question, I subscribe to different NNTP servers for different
contents. For example one NNTP is msnews.microsoft.com, another
news.abcdef.com, third news.blahblah.net, then I subscribe to three NNTP
servers. Is there another way to do so? I want to know how to do that.

To subscribe each of them I give the same fake user info including user name
and email, because I think they are just informational and I don't want to
reveal my personal info.

For me, my ISP only offers me the Internet connection.

"Big_Al" wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.
I take it you have more than 2?


jhon wrote:
Right let's stick to the issue.
Maybe I re-summarize. In my OE I setup a few newsgroups. I mean, a few NNTP
servers.

Some of them, I can only view, I cannot post, if I post, I get failure
notice and my message stays in Outbox.

Some of them, I can post or reply, I see what I write in a few seconds or
if
I refresh. This is what I expected for MS NNTP as well.

Then the MS ones. I subscribed several newsgroups and in none of them I can
post or reply, but my messages go to Sent box and I get no error. They just
don't appear.

I want to diagnostic why my posts to MS NNTP vanish.
"David Webb" wrote:

Comments inline...

"jhon" wrote in message
...
Very odd! Just now I posted a reply (which was the same as below) and I
saw
it appear in this thread. Now I navigate through 'All Newsgroups by
Language', Windows, XP, 'Start-Help and Support...', it is the same
thread
because I saw all previous posts, but my recent reply (as below)
disappeared!

This problem is not related to the OE issue. The web based interface
should be
avoided, if at all possible.

To answer David, at the same time I have some other newsgroup, in same
OE,
that I can
post or reply, with the same fake email address. So I guess it should not
be
the ISP issue.

You say "other newsgroup", is this using the same NNTP server or did you
mean
"another NNTP server" ?

"David Webb" wrote:

It could be your fake address. Some ISPs will not accept any outgoing
mail
unless it's from their domain or if the e-mail client is not configured
properly.

Try re-doing your fake address so that domain name is correct and only
your
user
name is fake.

Also, make sure that you have a correct e-mail address and password in
the
property settings in your MAIL account. Do you have any problems sending
or
receiving in the mail account? Don't forget that it's your ISP that's
sending
out newsgroup messages, so the MAIL settings have to be correct.

"jhon" wrote in message
...
No. It first appears in Outbox, then in 1-2 seconds goes to Sent box.
But I
never see it appear in newgroup thenafter. I tried many times on
different
msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups. I do have other non-microsoft
newsgroup in
which I cannot post, but for that newsgroup message stays in Outbox and
I
get
failure notice. For this microsoft one, I never get failure but it just
doesn't appear. I can only do it on web.

Does it have anything to do with login? Because I use a fake email in
OE.

"David Webb" wrote:

Anything stuck in the Outbox?

"jhon" wrote in message
...
Yes, I do use msnews.microsoft.com as a server.
When I 'reply group', or when I post a new message, the compose
screen
comes
up and it has a news group in the 'To:' box.
Thanks.

"Big_Al" wrote:

John Smith wrote:
No, I click 'reply group'. And I cannot post new message either.
"Mark L. Ferguson" wrote
in
message ...
You are probably clicking "Reply" instead of "Reply Group". Reply
sends
it
email.

--
click the Ratings button. Voting helps the web interface.
http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales...help_en-us.htm see
''rate
a
post''
Mark L. Ferguson

"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to
Sent
box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view
threads,
but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?
When you pick a message and hit 'reply group', the compose screen
comes
up. Does it have a news group in the "To:" box?

The only other thing I can suggest is that you use
msnews.microsoft.com
as a server and not your provider. Your ISP may have an update
problem.
You need no login / password for msnews.

jhon wrote:
snip

To Big_AI: Do you mean your ISP maintains all newsgroups including the MS
ones? Here it is not the same. My ISP has a news server and it includes some
MS newsgroups, but they are not maintained. For example I can find this
newsgroup in my ISP's NNTP server, but it is empty!

snip

Yes, my ISP has most groups. I do not use msnews. However they only
keep messages a week or two best. Giganews, is what I would consider a
great news service and you pay for it. Now my ISP does not have the
groups they do. My ISP has 48,000+/- groups. Where I think there are
higher near 70,000 groups if not more.

If you have the issue you have, you probably have to make different NNTP
server accounts to get what you need. Its just one of lifes bitches.
I have free accounts with two 3rd party services, Motzarella and Teranews.

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:59:52 GMT, Big_Al wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.



This is not necessarily true. Two is not tops, by any means. I, for
example, use *five* different news servers. One is provided by my ISP.
One is the Microsoft public server, msnews.microsoft.com, which I use
for these Microsoft news groups; although my ISP's server carries many
of these newsgroups too, it's faster and better to get them directly
from Microsoft. The other three are private servers that carry
newsgroups not available elsewhere.

Also note that the statement "You technically only need one, your ISP"
assumes that the ISP in question even provides a news server. That's
not always the case, and many people don't have that option. Even if
the ISP does provide a news server, it may be limited in some way
(such as how many or which newsgroups it provides) and many people
prefer to use a different server (even one they have to pay for)
instead.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Do I always need to have a valid login for MS NNTP?

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:59:52 GMT, Big_Al wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.



This is not necessarily true. Two is not tops, by any means. I, for
example, use *five* different news servers. One is provided by my ISP.
One is the Microsoft public server, msnews.microsoft.com, which I use
for these Microsoft news groups; although my ISP's server carries many
of these newsgroups too, it's faster and better to get them directly
from Microsoft. The other three are private servers that carry
newsgroups not available elsewhere.

Also note that the statement "You technically only need one, your ISP"
assumes that the ISP in question even provides a news server. That's
not always the case, and many people don't have that option. Even if
the ISP does provide a news server, it may be limited in some way
(such as how many or which newsgroups it provides) and many people
prefer to use a different server (even one they have to pay for)
instead.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:18:01 -0700, jhon
wrote:

Do I always need to have a valid login for MS NNTP?


For msnews.microsoft.com? No, no login is required.



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:59:52 GMT, Big_Al wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.



This is not necessarily true. Two is not tops, by any means. I, for
example, use *five* different news servers. One is provided by my ISP.
One is the Microsoft public server, msnews.microsoft.com, which I use
for these Microsoft news groups; although my ISP's server carries many
of these newsgroups too, it's faster and better to get them directly
from Microsoft. The other three are private servers that carry
newsgroups not available elsewhere.

Also note that the statement "You technically only need one, your ISP"
assumes that the ISP in question even provides a news server. That's
not always the case, and many people don't have that option. Even if
the ISP does provide a news server, it may be limited in some way
(such as how many or which newsgroups it provides) and many people
prefer to use a different server (even one they have to pay for)
instead.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Then why I can't post or reply through OE? I get no error when I post or
reply but they just don't appear.

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:18:01 -0700, jhon
wrote:

Do I always need to have a valid login for MS NNTP?


For msnews.microsoft.com? No, no login is required.



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:59:52 GMT, Big_Al wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.



This is not necessarily true. Two is not tops, by any means. I, for
example, use *five* different news servers. One is provided by my ISP.
One is the Microsoft public server, msnews.microsoft.com, which I use
for these Microsoft news groups; although my ISP's server carries many
of these newsgroups too, it's faster and better to get them directly
from Microsoft. The other three are private servers that carry
newsgroups not available elsewhere.

Also note that the statement "You technically only need one, your ISP"
assumes that the ISP in question even provides a news server. That's
not always the case, and many people don't have that option. Even if
the ISP does provide a news server, it may be limited in some way
(such as how many or which newsgroups it provides) and many people
prefer to use a different server (even one they have to pay for)
instead.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 00:38:00 -0700, jhon
wrote:

Then why I can't post or reply through OE? I get no error when I post or
reply but they just don't appear.


It's difficult for me to answer that without seeing your system, but
clearly you have some setting or settings wrong.

Perhaps someone else can suggest what it might be.



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:18:01 -0700, jhon
wrote:

Do I always need to have a valid login for MS NNTP?


For msnews.microsoft.com? No, no login is required.



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:59:52 GMT, Big_Al wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.



This is not necessarily true. Two is not tops, by any means. I, for
example, use *five* different news servers. One is provided by my ISP.
One is the Microsoft public server, msnews.microsoft.com, which I use
for these Microsoft news groups; although my ISP's server carries many
of these newsgroups too, it's faster and better to get them directly
from Microsoft. The other three are private servers that carry
newsgroups not available elsewhere.

Also note that the statement "You technically only need one, your ISP"
assumes that the ISP in question even provides a news server. That's
not always the case, and many people don't have that option. Even if
the ISP does provide a news server, it may be limited in some way
(such as how many or which newsgroups it provides) and many people
prefer to use a different server (even one they have to pay for)
instead.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

I had similiar problems forever. I cannot use anything but Comcast. Using my
isp and following directions, I finally can use O.E. to send and receive
messages
"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to Sent box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view threads, but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?

How did you finally solve your problem? Would you please give some details?

"Nowell" wrote:

I had similiar problems forever. I cannot use anything but Comcast. Using my
isp and following directions, I finally can use O.E. to send and receive
messages
"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to Sent box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view threads, but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?

What do you mean 'Using my isp and following directions'?
Thanks.
"Nowell" wrote:

I had similiar problems forever. I cannot use anything but Comcast. Using my
isp and following directions, I finally can use O.E. to send and receive
messages
"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to Sent box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view threads, but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?

This may help you = I cannot use msnewsgroups as an NNTP ; I must use my
ISP's domain for O.E. to function. I did find this newsgroup using my Isp's
settings with a login.
"David Webb" wrote in message
...
At this point all I can suggest is that you verify the setup properties
for each NNTP server you have configured. Some require a login and some do
not. Some require a secure connection (SSL) and some do not. The MS server
does not require a login or a secure connection.

Here's a good setup reference:

Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail to access Microsoft newsgroups
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm


Good luck!

"jhon" wrote in message
...
I appreciate all discussions. Thank you.
To answer your question, I subscribe to different NNTP servers for
different
contents. For example one NNTP is msnews.microsoft.com, another
news.abcdef.com, third news.blahblah.net, then I subscribe to three NNTP
servers. Is there another way to do so? I want to know how to do that.

To subscribe each of them I give the same fake user info including user
name
and email, because I think they are just informational and I don't want
to
reveal my personal info.

For me, my ISP only offers me the Internet connection.

"Big_Al" wrote:

If I could just ask a question, I'll let David follow up. But I'm
curious!

Can I ask why you have multiple accounts? (NNTP servers).
You technically only need one, your ISP. If they don't carry all of
msnews.microsoft.com groups then you can make a 2nd for that reason.
But 2 tops.
I take it you have more than 2?


jhon wrote:
Right let's stick to the issue.
Maybe I re-summarize. In my OE I setup a few newsgroups. I mean, a few
NNTP
servers.

Some of them, I can only view, I cannot post, if I post, I get failure
notice and my message stays in Outbox.

Some of them, I can post or reply, I see what I write in a few seconds
or if
I refresh. This is what I expected for MS NNTP as well.

Then the MS ones. I subscribed several newsgroups and in none of them
I can
post or reply, but my messages go to Sent box and I get no error. They
just
don't appear.

I want to diagnostic why my posts to MS NNTP vanish.
"David Webb" wrote:

Comments inline...

"jhon" wrote in message
...
Very odd! Just now I posted a reply (which was the same as below)
and I saw
it appear in this thread. Now I navigate through 'All Newsgroups by
Language', Windows, XP, 'Start-Help and Support...', it is the same
thread
because I saw all previous posts, but my recent reply (as below)
disappeared!

This problem is not related to the OE issue. The web based interface
should be
avoided, if at all possible.

To answer David, at the same time I have some other newsgroup, in
same OE,
that I can
post or reply, with the same fake email address. So I guess it
should not be
the ISP issue.

You say "other newsgroup", is this using the same NNTP server or did
you mean
"another NNTP server" ?

"David Webb" wrote:

It could be your fake address. Some ISPs will not accept any
outgoing mail
unless it's from their domain or if the e-mail client is not
configured
properly.

Try re-doing your fake address so that domain name is correct and
only your
user
name is fake.

Also, make sure that you have a correct e-mail address and password
in the
property settings in your MAIL account. Do you have any problems
sending or
receiving in the mail account? Don't forget that it's your ISP
that's sending
out newsgroup messages, so the MAIL settings have to be correct.

"jhon" wrote in message
...
No. It first appears in Outbox, then in 1-2 seconds goes to Sent
box. But I
never see it appear in newgroup thenafter. I tried many times on
different
msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups. I do have other non-microsoft
newsgroup in
which I cannot post, but for that newsgroup message stays in
Outbox and I
get
failure notice. For this microsoft one, I never get failure but it
just
doesn't appear. I can only do it on web.

Does it have anything to do with login? Because I use a fake email
in OE.

"David Webb" wrote:

Anything stuck in the Outbox?

"jhon" wrote in message
...
Yes, I do use msnews.microsoft.com as a server.
When I 'reply group', or when I post a new message, the compose
screen
comes
up and it has a news group in the 'To:' box.
Thanks.

"Big_Al" wrote:

John Smith wrote:
No, I click 'reply group'. And I cannot post new message
either.
"Mark L. Ferguson"
wrote in
message
...
You are probably clicking "Reply" instead of "Reply Group".
Reply
sends
it
email.

--
click the Ratings button. Voting helps the web interface.
http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales...help_en-us.htm see
''rate
a
post''
Mark L. Ferguson

"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes
to Sent
box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one
day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view
threads,
but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?
When you pick a message and hit 'reply group', the compose
screen comes
up. Does it have a news group in the "To:" box?

The only other thing I can suggest is that you use
msnews.microsoft.com
as a server and not your provider. Your ISP may have an update
problem.
You need no login / password for msnews.

When you set up O.E. Try using your isp such as,
--
Grampy Pete


"jhon" wrote:


What do you mean 'Using my isp and following directions'?
Thanks.
"Nowell" wrote:

I had similiar problems forever. I cannot use anything but Comcast. Using my
isp and following directions, I finally can use O.E. to send and receive
messages
"jhon" wrote in message
...
I mean, in OE, it seems I have posted, message I write goes to Sent box,
there is no error. But it just doesn't appear even after one day.

"jhon" wrote:

I tried to post question from OE but couldn't. I can view threads, but
can't
reply or post. How should I set to be able to do so?