microsoft update for service pack 2

Rodney Kelp wrote:


I had to install and uninstall SP2 a few time before I got it to work. Don't
blame your system quirks on a fine upgrade. If you do not upgrade to SP2 you
will not be able to install the latest security updates and will leave
yourself open to attack. So my advice try it again and again until you find
the problem.

You should not have to try it again and again. People will give up if it
does not work.
I wonder how many computer service compnaies have ripped off people by
over charging them for problems that SP2 have caused.
As for open to attacks, how many security problems did SP2 come with? I
have not got SP2 and I do not gett attacked, if you have a good virus
checker ad decent firewall and maybe a couple of Antispyware software
(not Microsoft) then you more or less covered.
Also use a decent mail client and browser.


I now have SP2 and all the updates to it and my system is running flawlessly
as it did before SP2. I've found that most people's problems are the junk
memory they buy instead of buying certified memory to save money. Junk cheap
memory is borderline functional and will screw you up sometime when you
least expect it.

Now I heard it all, memory even cheap stuff will work fine if it is not
use beyond what it is made for. The problem comes from people trying to
push memory beyond it specs. I built some m,achines last week with cheap
memory and SP2 works ok on them. I got good memory in mine and SP2 do
not work. So work that out.

Which do not work? Be specific!


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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
"...then SP2 must have been the problem."

That is not always true and you should know that.

Not always, but a lot of the time.

There are a multitude of possibilities and stopping at the first
possible solution while compromising the computer system is not a
good option.
SP-2 sometimes is at fault, but not near as often as some critics
would like to think.

But you must admit, SP2 do cause a lot of problems, if you know
something about computers it may be possible to sort them out, but if
you know nothing then you are stuck.



As for "list up of software that do not work correctly with SP2"
Check the information again and you will notice there are fixes for
almost everything.

Almost, but still some that will not work.


In some cases all that was needed is to install an update or patch.
Sometimes these updates or patches were available long before SP-2.
But the user has to look for them.
Compromising security on a computer system so a fix for another
program is not needed may not be the best fix.

True, I agree, if you can get a fix, some software do not have support
anymore, so getting any fixes is not possible.
Security is not really compromised if you do not install SP2, if you
are sensible and keep virus checkers and firewalls up to date.
Use a decent email client instead of Outlook express and that will
also help and get rid of Internet Exploder.



Finally there is a good way to help determine the cause if there is a
problem and nothing else seems to work.
Swap to a spare hard drive.
Install Windows XP and SP-2.
If appropriate install hardware and/or software associated with the
problem.
If the problem is not there, the problem is with the original
configuration.
If the problem is still there, you now have a more reliable view of
the exact problem.

Yes, that is true, but not everyone have got a spare hard drive, you
are talking about people like me or you that have strange things like
spare hard drives hanging around.

You need to review the capacity / age of the computer and your level of
expectation.

I was involved in a heated debate recently. It emerged that certain P2
computers were capable of running Windows XP and some were not. However,
the quality of system performance will not necessarily match the users
expectations. Obviously the newer the computer the better the
performance. However, the review goes beyond the computer to peripheral
hardware and to the age of the programmes to be run on the computer.

All products, hardware and software, are designed for use with other
products of a similar age. Actually products introduced a year or two
before because of the time delay between design and production of the
finished product.
SP2 was designed in 2003 / 2004. In general terms problems will arise
with products before 2000. You will find many exceptions to this
statement. It becomes a matter of judgement whether to install more up
to date software or whether to buy a newer computer.

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"AD" wrote in message
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Rodney Kelp wrote:


I had to install and uninstall SP2 a few time before I got it to
work. Don't blame your system quirks on a fine upgrade. If you do not
upgrade to SP2 you will not be able to install the latest security
updates and will leave yourself open to attack. So my advice try it
again and again until you find the problem.

You should not have to try it again and again. People will give up if
it does not work.
I wonder how many computer service compnaies have ripped off people by
over charging them for problems that SP2 have caused.
As for open to attacks, how many security problems did SP2 come with?
I have not got SP2 and I do not gett attacked, if you have a good
virus checker ad decent firewall and maybe a couple of Antispyware
software (not Microsoft) then you more or less covered.
Also use a decent mail client and browser.


I now have SP2 and all the updates to it and my system is running
flawlessly as it did before SP2. I've found that most people's
problems are the junk memory they buy instead of buying certified
memory to save money. Junk cheap memory is borderline functional and
will screw you up sometime when you least expect it.

Now I heard it all, memory even cheap stuff will work fine if it is
not use beyond what it is made for. The problem comes from people
trying to push memory beyond it specs. I built some m,achines last
week with cheap memory and SP2 works ok on them. I got good memory in
mine and SP2 do not work. So work that out.

Gerry Cornell wrote:
Which do not work? Be specific!


sioftware that I use will not work, Cakewalk for instance will not work
as it should with SP2.
My old version of CD creator will not work and Roxio is not macking any
updates, because they are concentrating on the media creator 7.

My PDA software will not work with SP2 and that is not going to be
updated since the manufacture do not exist anymore.

AD

Cakewalk. What product and what version?

Easy Creator? What version?

PDA -have you tried Compatibility Mode?

HOW TO: Use Windows Program Compatibility Mode in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;292533

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Gerry Cornell wrote:
Which do not work? Be specific!


sioftware that I use will not work, Cakewalk for instance will not
work as it should with SP2.
My old version of CD creator will not work and Roxio is not macking
any updates, because they are concentrating on the media creator 7.

My PDA software will not work with SP2 and that is not going to be
updated since the manufacture do not exist anymore.

"AD" wrote in message
...
Rodney Kelp wrote:


I had to install and uninstall SP2 a few time before I got it to work.
Don't blame your system quirks on a fine upgrade. If you do not upgrade
to SP2 you will not be able to install the latest security updates and
will leave yourself open to attack. So my advice try it again and again
until you find the problem.

You should not have to try it again and again. People will give up if it
does not work.
I wonder how many computer service compnaies have ripped off people by
over charging them for problems that SP2 have caused.
As for open to attacks, how many security problems did SP2 come with? I
You missed the point. You can't get the latest updates if you don't have the
latest software (SP2). Get it?


have not got SP2 and I do not gett attacked, if you have a good virus
checker ad decent firewall and maybe a couple of Antispyware software (not
Microsoft) then you more or less covered.
Also use a decent mail client and browser.


I now have SP2 and all the updates to it and my system is running
flawlessly as it did before SP2. I've found that most people's problems
are the junk memory they buy instead of buying certified memory to save
money. Junk cheap memory is borderline functional and will screw you up
sometime when you least expect it.

Now I heard it all, memory even cheap stuff will work fine if it is not
use beyond what it is made for. The problem comes from people trying to
push memory beyond it specs. I built some m,achines last week with cheap
memory and SP2 works ok on them. I got good memory in mine and SP2 do not
work. So work that out.

The problems SP-2 causes are largely preventable.
It seems all your problems have known solutions but you are not willing to
implement.
That is more a problem with your hardware and software and not SP-2.
SP-2 made changes and the user also may need to make changes.
SP-1 will probably be supported for a few years until SP-3 is released.
Until then you are OK but the average user may be setting themselves for
problems if they are not as diligent.
And Microsoft security is aimed more to average or less users.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"AD" wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
"...then SP2 must have been the problem."

That is not always true and you should know that.

Not always, but a lot of the time.

There are a multitude of possibilities and stopping at the first possible
solution while compromising the computer system is not a good option.
SP-2 sometimes is at fault, but not near as often as some critics would
like to think.

But you must admit, SP2 do cause a lot of problems, if you know something
about computers it may be possible to sort them out, but if you know
nothing then you are stuck.



As for "list up of software that do not work correctly with SP2"
Check the information again and you will notice there are fixes for
almost everything.

Almost, but still some that will not work.


In some cases all that was needed is to install an update or patch.
Sometimes these updates or patches were available long before SP-2.
But the user has to look for them.
Compromising security on a computer system so a fix for another program
is not needed may not be the best fix.

True, I agree, if you can get a fix, some software do not have support
anymore, so getting any fixes is not possible.
Security is not really compromised if you do not install SP2, if you are
sensible and keep virus checkers and firewalls up to date.
Use a decent email client instead of Outlook express and that will also
help and get rid of Internet Exploder.



Finally there is a good way to help determine the cause if there is a
problem and nothing else seems to work.
Swap to a spare hard drive.
Install Windows XP and SP-2.
If appropriate install hardware and/or software associated with the
problem.
If the problem is not there, the problem is with the original
configuration.
If the problem is still there, you now have a more reliable view of the
exact problem.

Yes, that is true, but not everyone have got a spare hard drive, you are
talking about people like me or you that have strange things like spare
hard drives hanging around.

Gerry Cornell wrote:
AD

Cakewalk. What product and what version?


Version 9

Easy Creator? What version?


6 and it is fully updated.



PDA -have you tried Compatibility Mode?

HOW TO: Use Windows Program Compatibility Mode in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;292533


I know how to use it, for goodness sake, I been using computers for a
few years now. Yes I have tried it and it still will not connect to the PDA.

Rodney Kelp wrote:


You missed the point. You can't get the latest updates if you don't have the
latest software (SP2). Get it?

I know that, but I am not really bothered about it.
I know what is running on my computer, so I can keep an eye on it.
I do not need SP2 to keep my computer secure. Anyway, most critical
updates can still be installed with or without SP2, how long for is
another thing. Do not worry, next year you will have another Microsoft
Operating system, full of bugs and holes, then you get a SP1 and SP2 for
that.

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
The problems SP-2 causes are largely preventable.
It seems all your problems have known solutions but you are not willing to
implement.

Like what? come on, you tell me what I can do to get my PDA working with
SP2?

That is more a problem with your hardware and software and not SP-2.

If there is a problem when SP2 is installed, then it is a SP2 problem.


SP-2 made changes and the user also may need to make changes.

Right, I will go out right now and get a new PDA, I got money to burn.


SP-1 will probably be supported for a few years until SP-3 is released.
Until then you are OK but the average user may be setting themselves for
problems if they are not as diligent.


I think Longhorn or what ever it will be called will be around before
SP3 is ever thought about. Once Longhorn is out, Microsoft will do the
same thing with XP as they have done with Windows 98 and Windows ME,
they will cease to support it. They will try and force you to buy Longhorn.
Which is understandable, after all they are there to make money.
But the problem is, that we have little choice, Microsoft is too big a
monoply and it is about time the compnay was split up.
But Billy Gates have some how got his head in Bushes Behind and now Bush
will let him get away with anything.
This is the problem with America, they do not give a crap about privacy
and they allow companies to walk all over people.



And Microsoft security is aimed more to average or less users.

It is aimed at getting people to spend money, I know how these companies
work, I trust none of them.

Cakewalk -What product?

Easy Creator 6 works on my machine! What happens on your machine?

PDA -Sorry can't make any more suggestions.

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Gerry
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"AD" wrote in message
...
Gerry Cornell wrote:
AD

Cakewalk. What product and what version?


Version 9

Easy Creator? What version?


6 and it is fully updated.



PDA -have you tried Compatibility Mode?

HOW TO: Use Windows Program Compatibility Mode in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;292533


I know how to use it, for goodness sake, I been using computers for a
few years now. Yes I have tried it and it still will not connect to
the PDA.

You already seem to know exactly what is wrong and what it would take to
resolve it.
While blaming Microsoft do you also ask the manufacturers why they refuse to
support SP-2?
What was their answer?
What are their plans for their customers buying new computers today?
For the most part there is no choice and SP-2 will be part of Windows XP.
It seems they have also abandoned their customers.

No one is ever forced to upgrade operating systems, at least not by
Microsoft.
Those running Windows 3.1, Windows 95 etc. can tell you that.
If you think anyone forced anyone to upgrade, you and others are victims of
salesmen and/or your own desires.

Security being "aimed at getting people to spend money" is ridiculous.
Perhaps you need to be more in touch with what the security community has
been asking and demanding of Microsoft.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"AD" wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
The problems SP-2 causes are largely preventable.
It seems all your problems have known solutions but you are not willing
to implement.

Like what? come on, you tell me what I can do to get my PDA working with
SP2?

That is more a problem with your hardware and software and not SP-2.

If there is a problem when SP2 is installed, then it is a SP2 problem.


SP-2 made changes and the user also may need to make changes.

Right, I will go out right now and get a new PDA, I got money to burn.


SP-1 will probably be supported for a few years until SP-3 is released.
Until then you are OK but the average user may be setting themselves for
problems if they are not as diligent.


I think Longhorn or what ever it will be called will be around before SP3
is ever thought about. Once Longhorn is out, Microsoft will do the same
thing with XP as they have done with Windows 98 and Windows ME, they will
cease to support it. They will try and force you to buy Longhorn.
Which is understandable, after all they are there to make money.
But the problem is, that we have little choice, Microsoft is too big a
monoply and it is about time the compnay was split up.
But Billy Gates have some how got his head in Bushes Behind and now Bush
will let him get away with anything.
This is the problem with America, they do not give a crap about privacy
and they allow companies to walk all over people.



And Microsoft security is aimed more to average or less users.

It is aimed at getting people to spend money, I know how these companies
work, I trust none of them.