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XP Wont boot (with HDD transplant)
In the recent thread "Lenovo T43 (with XP) Wont Power On", I mentioned
that my old Lenovo T43 died. I have given up on fixing that computer since it's obvious the motherboard is shot. I bought an identical T43 from ebay, and it is identical, except it came with 1gb RAM (my old one had 512mb RAM), and a larger HDD. (80gb, instead of 40gb). The computer arrived and had XP Pro SP3 installed. That booted up immediately, and the computer works fine. The plan was to insert my old HDD, so I could use use it as I had it configured, with all my software ready to go. I pulled out the new HDD, and put in the one from my old computer. It refuses to boot. That old drive has XP Pro SP3 on it as well. In Normal Mode it just went to a blank screen and hung there. I get a whole screen of words saying there are hardware changes. (No ****). But it's the same model of computer with the only difference being double the RAM. I then tried to boot to SAFE MODE. I get a whole screen of text similar to: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows\system 32\drivers\xxxx.sys and many more lines like this. It hangs when it gets to Mup.sys How do I get this to boot? Note: I had a dual boot setup on that drive, where I could also boot to Puppy Linux (installed on the HDD). That's just there mostly so I can backup (direct copy) those XP files that cant be copied while XP is running. (These T43's dont allow for USB booting, so I just installed Puppy Linux on the HDD). Anyhow, Puppy Linux boots right up, and all my files on that drive are available, so I know the drive is working. The drive is formated to NTFS. I'd really like to get back my original installation from the drive that came out of the old computer. How can I get it to boot? Reinstalling is an option, but I'd prefer to avoid it. The HDD that came with this computer came with a clean copy of XP Pro SP3, but I have never trusted using an OS installed by someone else, for reasons relating to malware. It did come with AVG antivirus installed, but also came with things like Google Chrome which I dont want. What can I do???? Thanks! |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:37:24 -0400, Paul
wrote: wrote: In the recent thread "Lenovo T43 (with XP) Wont Power On", I mentioned that my old Lenovo T43 died. I have given up on fixing that computer since it's obvious the motherboard is shot. I bought an identical T43 from ebay, and it is identical, except it came with 1gb RAM (my old one had 512mb RAM), and a larger HDD. (80gb, instead of 40gb). The computer arrived and had XP Pro SP3 installed. That booted up immediately, and the computer works fine. The plan was to insert my old HDD, so I could use use it as I had it configured, with all my software ready to go. I pulled out the new HDD, and put in the one from my old computer. It refuses to boot. That old drive has XP Pro SP3 on it as well. In Normal Mode it just went to a blank screen and hung there. I get a whole screen of words saying there are hardware changes. (No ****). But it's the same model of computer with the only difference being double the RAM. You moved a System Builder (OEM) WinXP install from one machine to another. Kablooie. The difference in the NIC MAC address should be enough to tip it over. If both disks were Lenovo Royalty OS installs, that would not have happened. Those are SLIC activated, and all they're supposed to check for, is whether the correct BIOS SLIC table is present. When playing with computers in this way (doing "spit swaps"), *always* back up the drive before you put it in the other computer. I don't know how many times my bacon was saved, by having a backup for a "do-over". ******* The "official" repair route, might be a Repair Install. Put the old disk in the new computer, boot with the WinXP SP3 installer CD, and do the Repair Install from there. A Repair Install keeps Program files and User data. You will have to re-install the drivers. You will have to redo all the Windows Updates since SP3. In addition, if the original setup had an "advanced" version of Internet Explorer, you're supposed to remove that before Repairing. Since that isn't possible in this case, you install the advanced version of Internet Explorer after the Repair, and "hope for the best". You will also need a valid license key for the Repair Install. The process isn't clever enough to "keep" the old key. Maybe someone else knows of a "magic" way to fix your situation. I don't know of a way which is less work. Using the new disk is certainly attractive, but you'll have to reinstall Office or whatever. And that might not be a lot of fun either. Paul I just had a Compaq sumpin600 crap out and I swapped a drive from a similar Compaq with no huge issues. I did get the old message of death that my hardware changed too much for Bill Gates to be happy but when I linked up to MS, it said "OK go ahead". They have removed all of that stuff from the authenticating server for XP. If the OP is having problems, I bet the real problem is the drivers are so different that it just can't get going. My 2 compaqs were similar enough that I could get up pretty far before it started complaining about drivers. I am not sure how you get it going tho. |
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 01:10:54 +0000 (UTC), "JT"
wrote: Same model #'s does not necessarily mean identical hardware. I still hate Dell! JT That is why Dell wants a service tag number before you can do much of anything about parts. |
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JT wrote:
Paul wrote: wrote: In the recent thread "Lenovo T43 (with XP) Wont Power On", I mentioned that my old Lenovo T43 died. I have given up on fixing that computer since it's obvious the motherboard is shot. I bought an identical T43 from ebay, and it is identical, except it came with 1gb RAM (my old one had 512mb RAM), and a larger HDD. (80gb, instead of 40gb). The computer arrived and had XP Pro SP3 installed. That booted up immediately, and the computer works fine. The plan was to insert my old HDD, so I could use use it as I had it configured, with all my software ready to go. I pulled out the new HDD, and put in the one from my old computer. It refuses to boot. That old drive has XP Pro SP3 on it as well. In Normal Mode it just went to a blank screen and hung there. I get a whole screen of words saying there are hardware changes. (No ****). But it's the same model of computer with the only difference being double the RAM. You moved a System Builder (OEM) WinXP install from one machine to another. Kablooie. The difference in the NIC MAC address should be enough to tip it over. If both disks were Lenovo Royalty OS installs, that would not have happened. Those are SLIC activated, and all they're supposed to check for, is whether the correct BIOS SLIC table is present. When playing with computers in this way (doing "spit swaps"), always back up the drive before you put it in the other computer. I don't know how many times my bacon was saved, by having a backup for a "do-over". ******* The "official" repair route, might be a Repair Install. Put the old disk in the new computer, boot with the WinXP SP3 installer CD, and do the Repair Install from there. A Repair Install keeps Program files and User data. You will have to re-install the drivers. You will have to redo all the Windows Updates since SP3. In addition, if the original setup had an "advanced" version of Internet Explorer, you're supposed to remove that before Repairing. Since that isn't possible in this case, you install the advanced version of Internet Explorer after the Repair, and "hope for the best". You will also need a valid license key for the Repair Install. The process isn't clever enough to "keep" the old key. Maybe someone else knows of a "magic" way to fix your situation. I don't know of a way which is less work. Using the new disk is certainly attractive, but you'll have to reinstall Office or whatever. And that might not be a lot of fun either. Paul My company ordered 50 Dell desktop computer (Same model) I proceeded to build a "Ghost" image of Windows XP to deploy to all 50 computers. (All needed application were installed on the Reminds me of an issue I had with Dell ~15 years ago. image) Imagine my surprise that about 1/2 of the units blue screened after imaging. After much troubleshooting it was determined that these identical model desktops were not quite identical. Dell informed us that they make no promise that the systems would contain the same hardware. Different chipsets, NIC's, video cards etc... Basically they used parts from a bin and when that bin was empty... on to the next bin (Which may or may not contain the same hardware.) I was furious but got nowhere with Dell tech support. I had to install and configure most of the 50 PC's manually. Those were the last Dell computers we ever purchased. I'm assuming thats what happened to OP. Same model #'s does not necessarily mean identical hardware. I still hate Dell! JT I agree. There are Dell desktops like that, where the model number is the same for AMD and Intel processor machines. Everything would be different on the motherboard. And I don't understand how this practice helps anyone particularly. I would expect at least some laptop model was done the same way. This also happens on some products at your computer store. For example, one company was shipping a Marvell NIC in a box (good), and decided to start putting RealTek NICs (the one with the interrupt problem) in the same box. Um, that's not very nice. But for Lenovo, I don't recollect any stories like that. I think they were a bit more consistent on SKU versus design. Every company slips up, even when they seem to have a policy and paper trail that precludes it. Kingston used to provide datasheets for their DIMMs, and the datasheet would nail down the details (8 chips or 16 chips on the DIMM). But at one point, they were playing the market, and two sizes of chip were very close to the same price. And when you bought what was supposed to be a compatible DIMM using their web selector, if you used that part number, sometimes you got the 8 chip DIMM (bad) or the 16 chip DIMM (good). And one of those was too dense to be compatible (chipset needed one more address bit on memory bus). And all this, when the product is backed by a datasheet that says the DIMM has 16 chips. In the case of the OPs problem, if you have a black screen with a blinking cursor, I don't know of a way at that point, to issue some sort of SLUI or slmgr command to enter another license key or re-activate. I'm not always convinced either, that the issue is a driver, as this sort of thing can happen when transferring between two Intel Southbridges (same storage port standard). You should get a STOP code and "Inaccessible Boot Volume", if the disk driver wasn't appropriate (wrong mode in BIOS etc). So when I've had what appeared to be activation-related freezes here, I couldn't see an easy way to get the machine upright again. Paul |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:37:24 -0400, Paul wrote:
That old drive has XP Pro SP3 on it as well. In Normal Mode it just went to a blank screen and hung there. I get a whole screen of words saying there are hardware changes. (No ****). But it's the same model of computer with the only difference being double the RAM. You moved a System Builder (OEM) WinXP install from one machine to another. Kablooie. The difference in the NIC MAC address should be enough to tip it over. If both disks were Lenovo Royalty OS installs, that would not have happened. Those are SLIC activated, and all they're supposed to check for, is whether the correct BIOS SLIC table is present. When playing with computers in this way (doing "spit swaps"), *always* back up the drive before you put it in the other computer. I don't know how many times my bacon was saved, by having a backup for a "do-over". ******* The "official" repair route, might be a Repair Install. Put the old disk in the new computer, boot with the WinXP SP3 installer CD, and do the Repair Install from there. A Repair Install keeps Program files and User data. You will have to re-install the drivers. You will have to redo all the Windows Updates since SP3. In addition, if the original setup had an "advanced" version of Internet Explorer, you're supposed to remove that before Repairing. Since that isn't possible in this case, you install the advanced version of Internet Explorer after the Repair, and "hope for the best". You will also need a valid license key for the Repair Install. The process isn't clever enough to "keep" the old key. Maybe someone else knows of a "magic" way to fix your situation. I don't know of a way which is less work. Using the new disk is certainly attractive, but you'll have to reinstall Office or whatever. And that might not be a lot of fun either. Paul I have a backup, but it's not very recent, meaning it has the whole intall of XP and most programs, but probably lacks a few recently added programs, or updates of (probably just firefox was updated). I also have recent downloads that are not backed up, but I can retrieve them by booting this drive to Puppy Linux But what good is a backup, when I cant get the drive to run on the new T43? That would be the same (worthless) setup of XP. I dont use IE at all, and dont have Office on my laptop. I use Office type programs only on my desktop computers. The activation license keys are no problem, I have those. I guess I'll just have to reinstall entirely, seems less of a problem. What I find most of a hassle, is having to do all the tweaking of XP to remove all the stuff that annoys me. I can never remember what all needs to be done. I have to comment, that although I use XP, and like it after getting rid of a lot of annoyances, Windows 98 was a far superior OS. I have transplanted W98 drives to completely different brands of computers with little problem. Just add a few drivers, and I'd be set to go.... I am wondering what would happen if I ran a reinstall from a CD, over the top of what is already there....... ????? (Or is that what you mean by a "repair install"?) By the way, what is SLIC? |
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I am wondering what would happen if I ran a reinstall from a CD, over the top of what is already there....... ????? (Or is that what you mean by a "repair install"?) 1) Put the old disk drive into the new computer. 2) Boot with the WinXP CD. Then follow some famous recipe. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/pd...airinstall.pdf By the way, what is SLIC? ACPI tables are stored in the BIOS, and handed out like candy during boot. In particular, the OS "wants to see your identification". Even regular computers have a SLIC, but it has nothing of interest or use inside it. On a Dell, the SLIC table might be multiple KBytes of stuff, but basically it says "I'm a Dell", and is configured in such a way to make it hard to spoof. You will occasionally see veiled discussion threads, where it appears people are adding imported SLIC tables into regular computers. But these people are very discrete, they don't want to get caught, so they won't give you a "step by step" to do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwa...cription_table "Some BIOSes contain a software licensing description table (SLIC), a digital signature placed inside the BIOS by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM), for example Dell. The SLIC is inserted into the ACPI table and contains no active code. Computer manufacturers that distribute OEM versions of Microsoft Windows and Microsoft application software can use the SLIC to authenticate licensing to the OEM Windows Installation disk and system recovery disc containing Windows software. Systems with an SLIC can be preactivated with an OEM product key, and they verify an XML formatted OEM certificate against the SLIC in the BIOS as a means of self-activating (see System Locked Preinstallation, SLP). If a user performs a fresh install of Windows, they will need to have possession of both the OEM key (either SLP or COA) and the digital certificate for their SLIC in order to bypass activation. This can be achieved if the user performs a restore using a pre-customised image provided by the OEM. Power users can copy the necessary certificate files from the OEM image, decode the SLP product key, then perform SLP activation manually. Cracks for non-genuine Windows distributions usually edit the SLIC or emulate it in order to bypass Windows activation" HTH, Paul |
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In message , Micky
writes: [Default] On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:13:16 -0400, in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general wrote: [] I have a backup, but it's not very recent, meaning it has the whole intall of XP and most programs, but probably lacks a few recently added programs, or updates of (probably just firefox was updated). I also have recent downloads that are not backed up, but I can retrieve them by booting this drive to Puppy Linux But what good is a backup, when I cant get the drive to run on the new T43? That would be the same (worthless) setup of XP. I fear what you're calling a "backup" is just a "copy"? AIUI, Acronis True Image Home PC Backup and Recovery Plus and Paragon Backup and Recovery 10 (and probably later) enable one to install a backup into a computer with different hardware. I bought both, intending to do that, but the occasion hasn't arisen yet. [] I have to comment, that although I use XP, and like it after getting rid of a lot of annoyances, Windows 98 was a far superior OS. I have transplanted W98 drives to completely different brands of computers with little problem. Just add a few drivers, and I'd be set to go.... W98 and earlier had no protection against piracy. You did, of course, remove the W98 from the machines you "transplanted" it from, didn't you (-:? I am wondering what would happen if I ran a reinstall from a CD, over the top of what is already there....... ????? (Or is that what you mean by a "repair install"?) By the way, what is SLIC? Southern Leadership Independent Conference? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The losses on both sides at Borodino [1812], 70 miles from Moscow, are the equivalent of a jumbo jet crashing into an area of six square miles every five minutes for the whole ten hours of the battle, killing or wounding everyone on board. - Andrew Roberts on Napoleon, RT 2015/6/13-19 |
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