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Nominations still being accepted for the MSMVPHOS!
Leythos wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:18:31 +0100, Alias wrote: WHO LICENCES THE RESELLERS???? Why does it matter? They reseller is the one responsible for SELLING THE CUSTOMER THE PRODUCT. What part of that don't you understand? And MS is responsible for bothe the allowing of the sale of copies of their copyrighted material as a retail product, and for trying to change the conditions of the retail sale AFTER THE FACT of the retail sale. NO ONE IS FORCING MS TO ALLOW THE SALE OF COPIES OF THEIR COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL AS A RETAIL PRODUCT! WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! Go after the company that is scamming the customer - the vendor that is actually selling the product is NOT providing disclosure, MS provides this information even though the vendor doesn't - see now? If MS ever sues an individual for non-compliance with their post-sale shrink-wrap license terms, you can be damned sure that the retailer will be named in a countersuit! Until then, MS has over a dozen years failed to exercise due diligence in regards to their post-sale shrink-wrap license terms, and consumers have every legal right to be of the opinion that those terms cannot rewrite the terms of retail sale, after the fact of the sale, nor can MS rewrite their "fair use" rights to their copy of software. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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I bought the "software" and got the license. I didn't buy the license, and
get the software. I will use MY software as I see fit! I know how to use it. I don't need no damn instructions from within the package telling me when, where, how and why. -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message ... Software has become a term applied to a lot of things. You still have to read the license to understand the difference between the generic term and the specifics of a published edition. Even open software is licensed. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" wrote in message ... What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments, appliance departments etc. Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that you have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license department - did they? Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software downloads (not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to state that I OWN the "software". The license that was in the package is ancillary to the fact of my purchase, and I don't really have to even read it. The software is mine, whether I have a license or not! -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message ... I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at all. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Alias" wrote in message ... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click through it during an install, that's your issue. Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*? -- Alias -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Alias" wrote in message ... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote You were sold the licenses, not the software. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery. EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences". Alias |
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Leythos wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:31:44 -0700, Colin Barnhorst wrote: For an example, to buy XP Home direct from Microsoft, go to: http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...33e0c&type=ovr Other products have their own direct sales pages. Need more? And on the right side they even tell you how to just buy another license if needed But they don't call the thing you are actually purchasing a license. http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...33e0c&type=ovr Look at the link, it's a product not a license. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
For an example, to buy XP Home direct from Microsoft, go to: http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...33e0c&type=ovr Other products have their own direct sales pages. Need more? But they don't call the thing you are actually purchasing a license. http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...33e0c&type=ovr Look at the link, it's a product not a license. Hell even you call it a product, not a license! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Oh Kurt,
You really did it this time. Even got me involved (-: -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "kurttrail" wrote in message ... I had a MVP nominate himself, so any MVP that wants or needs to be inducted into the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, please feel free to drop me an email! So without any further ado, the newest inductee to the Microscum MVP Hall of Shame, by his own request, is: Robert Moir - MicroMoron! http://microscum.com/rmoir/ Congratulations Robert! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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24 United States 0.04 per 1000 people
43 Australia 0.01 per 1000 people 48 Spain 0.01 per 1000 people ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/ "Leythos" wrote in message = news On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:37:16 +0100, Alias wrote: USA: Crime and punishment. High crime rate. =20 Spain and the rest of the EU: Crime and rehabilitation. Low crime = rate. =20 yea, but you're only spouting the hype. Show me the numbers if you've = got them. =20 Take in account for Murders per capita and show me which has the = highest rate, until them it's just FUD. =20 --=20 remove 999 in order to email me |
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Correct.
-- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Leythos" wrote in message news On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:31:44 -0700, Colin Barnhorst wrote: For an example, to buy XP Home direct from Microsoft, go to: http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...33e0c&type=ovr Other products have their own direct sales pages. Need more? And on the right side they even tell you how to just buy another license if needed -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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"Leythos" wrote in message news On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:58:14 +0100, Alias wrote: Spain isn't the the only place in the world that has XP or where vendors or MS sells it. I know, but if I want to buy XP, I am forced to buy it from a store that says I am buying software. But your statements, in this global forum, didn't indicate that you were only talking about Spain - in fact, many of the companies you listed (WalMart, Sears....) are in several countries. This still doesn't detract from the fact that it's the seller that's scamming you, not MS. The seller is withholding information about the product, MS makes that information available to the public. With MS's permission. The are complices in the scam. Licensing is a scam. Period. With XP, the price isn't too bad but if a family of three with three computers wants Office, you gotta pay a kidney to have Office on all three machines. Highway robbery and it induces people to install pirated copies. Today, for example, someone asked on a Spanish newsgroup which version of Ghost should they use the eMule to download and got 20 replies from people who had done just that. A friend of mine repairs computers here in Spain. He has yet to meet a computer here without eMule and a slew of pirated software on the computers and he's been doing this here for three years. And these are lawyers, doctors, accountants, college kids, etc., not your usual thief profile. Alias |
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Since you don't own the software, yes you do need instructions. You cannot
unilaterally declare the software yours. When you buy a license plate for your car you are licensing the car to use the public roads, but you are not buying the roads. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" wrote in message ... I bought the "software" and got the license. I didn't buy the license, and get the software. I will use MY software as I see fit! I know how to use it. I don't need no damn instructions from within the package telling me when, where, how and why. -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message ... Software has become a term applied to a lot of things. You still have to read the license to understand the difference between the generic term and the specifics of a published edition. Even open software is licensed. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)" wrote in message ... What Alias is getting at is that all web sites, and stores, sell you software. Don't they all have software departments, T.V. departments, appliance departments etc. Yet after they have sold you the "software", they try to tell you that you have bought a license. Well, people DID NOT buy it in the license department - did they? Based upon that fact, and that even Microsoft offers you software downloads (not license downloads) I think I also am going to begin to state that I OWN the "software". The license that was in the package is ancillary to the fact of my purchase, and I don't really have to even read it. The software is mine, whether I have a license or not! -- Regards, Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message ... I have a degree in English from the University of Texas Arlington and my comprehension skills are fine. If you install software without reading through the EULA then the problem is not comprehension, but reading at all. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Alias" wrote in message ... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote If you can read the website, you can read the EULA. If you just click through it during an install, that's your issue. Huh? I didn't say anything about reading or clicking through the scammy EULA, now did I, sport? Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is English not your first language? The web sites I was referring to and I made it clear by typing *computer web sites" say *software*, not "licences". Yaknow, the ones that sell Microsoft *Software*? -- Alias -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Alias" wrote in message ... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote You were sold the licenses, not the software. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) We know about the licencing scam. It's a scam. It's highway robbery. EVERY computer web site says "software", not "licences". Alias |
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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
kurttrail wrote: Colin Barnhorst wrote: You were sold the licenses, not the software. That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a copy of software had already taken place. It is public knowledge that Microsoft software is licensed unless stated "OK to share with friends" (which does appear on some items, like the Security CD Feb 2004 and the Service Pack 2 CD). Microsoft publishes this on their websites. A store not making a big point about licensing does not break the license between you and Microsoft. LOL! Those are free software distributions. MS allows copies of their copyright software to be sold as retail products. Then, AFTER THE FACT OF RETAIL SALE, MS tries to change the fact of the retail sale in their post-sale shrink-wrap license. NO ONE IS FORCING MS TO ALLOW THE SALE OF COPIES OF THEIR COPYRIGHTED SOFTWARE AS A RETAIL PRODUCT. So is MS's post-sale licensing claim legally enforceable? Just because MS claims something in their license doesn't make it legally so. MS is not a law unto itself. Most of the public are totally ignorant of MS's post-sale shrink-wrap licensing scheme, and it shows how desperate you really are that you have to try to deceive with your false claim of "public knowledge!" -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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You were saying, Leythos?
LOL! What an idiot. The USA is a breeding ground for criminals. Just take a look at who's in the White House, a man who stole the election! Alias "David Candy" . wrote .. 24 United States 0.04 per 1000 people 43 Australia 0.01 per 1000 people 48 Spain 0.01 per 1000 people ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/ "Leythos" wrote in message news On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:37:16 +0100, Alias wrote: USA: Crime and punishment. High crime rate. Spain and the rest of the EU: Crime and rehabilitation. Low crime rate. yea, but you're only spouting the hype. Show me the numbers if you've got them. Take in account for Murders per capita and show me which has the highest rate, until them it's just FUD. -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
Since you don't own the software, yes you do need instructions. You cannot unilaterally declare the software yours. When you buy a license plate for your car you are licensing the car to use the public roads, but you are not buying the roads. He owns his copy of software, and technically, MS doesn't own the software, but the copyright to the software. And under copyright law, there are many limitations placed on the exclusive rights of copyright owners, which MS tries to rewrite after the fact of retail sale! The main limitation MS tries to rewrite is that of "fair use." -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
Oh Kurt, You really did it this time. Even got me involved (-: LOL! I don't know how my thread turned out this way! I was expecting this to be more of a lark, not yet another battle in the EULA Wars! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:16:09 +0100, Alias wrote: You were saying, Leythos? I never disputed the information, only stated that without numbers it didn't mean anything - I asked David for the source, since without a credible source the numbers still don't mean anything. Did you thank David for doing your work? *My* work? No, your work. What an idiot. The USA is a breeding ground for criminals. Just take a look at who's in the White House, a man who stole the election! The information doesn't provide that the US is a breading ground for criminals, the information doesn't show anything of the sort - but, like your inability to see that resellers are responsible for the marketing information they provide to customers, I don't expect you to understand that either. OK, are you willing to visit South Central LA? Do you need a Google search to figure that one out? How about N.E. Washington, D.C, the murder capital of the world? Just how did George "steal" the election? Electronic voting machines that left no paper trail. You aren't up on the news, are you? You must spend too much time on this newsgroup I guess. As a registered independent I don't see where there were any real problems with the voting. The only problem I have is that Kerry lied about his service, lied about everything, and that the media still backed him. Lying about WMDs and getting almost 2000 young Americans killed invading a country that posed no threat is OK by you? Do you want the cowboy to attack Iran, Syria and North Korea too? Alias |
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"Leythos" wrote in message news On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:10:07 +0100, Alias wrote: But your statements, in this global forum, didn't indicate that you were only talking about Spain - in fact, many of the companies you listed (WalMart, Sears....) are in several countries. This still doesn't detract from the fact that it's the seller that's scamming you, not MS. The seller is withholding information about the product, MS makes that information available to the public. With MS's permission. The are complices in the scam. Licensing is a scam. Period. With XP, the price isn't too bad but if a family of three with three computers wants Office, you gotta pay a kidney to have Office on all three machines. Highway robbery and it induces people to install pirated copies. But you don't really know that to be fact - that's like assuming that ever company that sells products runs their ad's across the manufactures legal department for approval. MS probably has no clue how WalMart is working the ad's or in-store displays. LOL! And this guy's serious! So, when are you going to take WalMart to task for their actions? Now you want me to do your research and Microsoft's job. I charge $200 an hour in advance. When can I expect my check? Alias |
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