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What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?



 
 
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  #31  
Old July 7th 18, 09:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:


I have no idea what you're trying to say above, when you write "shill to
rent more than 10 passwords off the cloud".


he doesn't either.


Yet again, nospam, you *prove you're an utter moron!*

a. You just guess (where your record, nospam, is worse than the monkey's).
b. Because ... you know nothing

The reference you failed to read clearly says, verbatim:


you failed to read the date of said reference, which is from 5 years
ago and very outdated.

all of the products listed have undergone at least one revision, if not
more.

there are also many *new* options that either did not exist or didn't
make the cut when that article was written.

"Beyond the desktop, it also offers native apps for iOS and Android
devices. If you˘re a free user of RoboForm, your auto-logins and password
entries will be limited to 10 items. Naturally, RoboForm Everywhere unlocks
this restriction and costs (currently) $9.95 per year."


that was 5 years ago. not now.

https://www.roboform.com

note the free option, then scroll to the bottom, where it gives
additional details:

€ Unlimited logins
€ Fills forms
€ Password audit
€*Password generator
Ads
  #32  
Old July 7th 18, 09:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

Arlen,

Thanks for that list of file-sharing apps between the operating systems.


Both where the first ones returned when I threw a few keywords from your
request into google. (and yes, thats a hint)

None of the apps even comes remotely close to solving the stated
networking problem (since they all *copy* the file)


Maybe you should tell us what you REALLY after, instead of asking us for
suggestions and than rejecting them because they do not match something you
have not yet told us ?

And again, those links where a hinting suggestion. Throw some of your own
energy into it, and google a bit. I'm sure there are many more programs
which will allow you to communicate between multiple machines on a LAN
running undefined OSes.

Than again, you are looking for specific solutions, which are not always as
easy to find ... if they even exist that is

What might work though, is to set up a "local cloud",


Well, seeing that you do not trust cloudy solutions, why whould you set up
one yourself ? And why the F*ck would you go for something complex like
that ? K.I.S.S. (look it up).

In summary, neither list even remotedly came close to solving the problem,


a) it was not ment as such.

b) That can be, but the one at fault is you, as you have not yet specified
what the problem actually is / what the requirements are a suggestion needs
to live up to. Yes, I can make a few educated guesses but its your
project, so its upto *you* formulate and post it.

Besides, educated guesses ? That doesn't work all that well with someone
who, like you, has very specific requirements. :-)

Besides #2: I do not "do" iOS, Android or any of those other phone OSes, so
I could not give any specific info for it even if I wanted to.


But I have one last suggestion:

Put a (portable) WAMP on one of your local windows machines, and learn some
HTML, PHP and one of the SQL variants (SQLite comes to mind). That way
you can send, from *any* machine with a webbrowser on the LAN, a request to
the computer running that WAMP and have it do all the stuff and just return
the answers.

That way you do not have to trust *anyone*, and can keep-and-hold it all
under your own control.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #33  
Old July 7th 18, 11:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On 07 Jul 2018, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

What I *don't* know, because I don't have a need for it, is
whether two or more PCs can point their Roboform instance to the
*same* LAN-based encrypted file.


I don't know about Roboform, but Keepass can.
  #34  
Old July 7th 18, 11:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On 07 Jul 2018, "R.Wieser" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Maybe you should tell us what you REALLY after, instead of asking
us for suggestions and than rejecting them because they do not
match something you have not yet told us ?


It's the old "Why Don’t You -- Yes But..." game in Transactional
Analysis. The goal is to get attention and keep it as long as possible
by finding fault with all suggestions in order to get people to make
yet more suggestions, which will also be rejected, until they finally
give up in frustration. The goal is not to actually solve any problem.
  #35  
Old July 8th 18, 12:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:12:57 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On 7 Jul 2018 18:57:55 GMT, Char Jackson wrote:

I don't know about the others, but Roboform will happily store its
encrypted password file anywhere you want, including on a local drive, a
networked drive, and even a cloud drive. The default is a local drive.


This is what the reference says, verbatim:

"If you˘re a free user of RoboForm, your auto-logins and password entries
will be limited to 10 items. Naturally, RoboForm Everywhere unlocks this
restriction and costs (currently) $9.95 per year."


https://www.roboform.com/everywhere

The link above compares the free version to the non-free version. The
very first item is "Unlimited Logins", available in both versions.

Several years ago, Roboform free *was* limited to 10 logins, sort of as
a trial, but they dumped that restriction quite some time ago.

What fool, besides the moronic troll nospam, wants that?


I don't know what you're trying to do. I'm just responding to keywords.

  #36  
Old July 8th 18, 12:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On 7 Jul 2018 22:13:44 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

Ah, I see: you want everything


Oh my God.

The Windows 10 trolls have arrived.

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP Gilliver, and
especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who infests this newsgroup.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw

The trolls can have it from here.
  #37  
Old July 8th 18, 12:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 23:33:05 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On 7 Jul 2018 22:13:44 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

Ah, I see: you want everything


Oh my God.

The Windows 10 trolls have arrived.

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP Gilliver, and
especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who infests this newsgroup.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw


Neither of those commands does anything useful on my PCs, but you can
save a click by pinning Command Prompt to your taskbar. I pin an Admin
Command Prompt, since that's what I usually want to use. Once you do
that, it's one click to launch the Command Prompt versus two clicks to
hit Start and then Run. Efficiency, you know.

The trolls can have it from here.


Those bastages.

  #38  
Old July 8th 18, 01:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 23:33:05 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On 7 Jul 2018 22:13:44 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

Ah, I see: you want everything

Oh my God.

The Windows 10 trolls have arrived.

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP Gilliver, and
especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who infests this newsgroup.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw


Neither of those commands does anything useful on my PCs, but you can
save a click by pinning Command Prompt to your taskbar. I pin an Admin
Command Prompt, since that's what I usually want to use. Once you do
that, it's one click to launch the Command Prompt versus two clicks to
hit Start and then Run. Efficiency, you know.


A "real" computerist, would have Cortana wired
to "phone susan". And if TAPI still worked, you
could do that from your desktop, without even reaching
for anything. (Was that a "voice modem" ? Or a function
of a WinModem ? Don't remember now.)

I remember years ago, some people at work having TAPI
like functions wired up that way. And they were doing
hands-free and the whole bit. Well before it was a
mainstream thing.

Paul
  #39  
Old July 8th 18, 03:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On 07 Jul 2018, Arlen Holder wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP
Gilliver, and especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who
infests this newsgroup.


I can't speak for anybody else, but I never left, except for some
time off for Independence Day parties, so I really can't arrive to
"infest". Indeed, your silly self-stroking nonsense is more
infestive than pretty much anything I see here that I haven't
already kill-filed.

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here. They can
have the thread.


Don't go away mad. Just go away.
  #40  
Old July 8th 18, 04:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

On 8 Jul 2018 00:20:44 GMT, Paul wrote:

A "real" computerist, would have Cortana wired
to "phone susan". And if TAPI still worked, you
could do that from your desktop, without even reaching
for anything. (Was that a "voice modem" ? Or a function
of a WinModem ? Don't remember now.)

I remember years ago, some people at work having TAPI
like functions wired up that way. And they were doing
hands-free and the whole bit. Well before it was a
mainstream thing.


Paul,

I'm just an average user who simply asks for help from real computerists!
http://tinyurl.com/alt-msdos-batch

Hence, maybe a "real" computerist can figure out how to get an icon in this
context menu, and to get the resulting window to show up red!
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_cmdwindow01.jpg

Also, do you think a real computerist would be able to get that
"Open command prompt here (admin)"
context menu to work anywhere ... not just when folders are selected!

I'm not a real computerist - hence that's why I ask for help over he
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/PFke17AzS78/NSLlZJebCwAJ
  #41  
Old July 8th 18, 08:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

Nil,

It's the old "Why Don't You -- Yes But..." game in
Transactional Analysis.

....
The goal is not to actually solve any problem.


Possibly, but I do not really want to make such an assumption.

You see, it can be as easily be either what many projects (commercial or
not) succumb to - because of the "I'm making stuff up as I go" client -
and/or, likely in Arlens case, the "on a need to know basis" one, (he only
tells you when he thinks you should know) thinking that that will protect
his idea against being stolen.

That either of those above waste massive ammounts of effort (at each change)
on the side of the ones who try to understand (and create) what the
end-result should be does not even cross their minds ... Logically, as its
not *their* effort that gets wasted. :-(

I also think that Arlen is most likely (still) a novice, with aspirations
*way* outof his league. But than again, we all went thru that phase (for
shorter or longer times). :-(

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #42  
Old July 8th 18, 08:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

Arlen,

Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
They can have the thread.

The added value of the two commands is our contribution.

Start Run phone susan
Start Run vipw


I'm sorry, AFAICS neither is finished in any way (you're still in the "how
do I do it?" phase), nor have you posted any kind of end result.

And you really have to tell me, who is that "we" and "our" you are using ?
I don't think you are royalty, so that leaves it to be indicating a group.
But when you post stuff I never see you include the names of the other
group-members ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I hope you are aware that that "App Paths" registry trick only seems to work
for the start - run entry box (it doesn't on the commandline). In short,
its usability seems to be rather limited. :-(


  #43  
Old July 8th 18, 11:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

R.Wieser wrote:
Nil,

It's the old "Why Don't You -- Yes But..." game in
Transactional Analysis.

...
The goal is not to actually solve any problem.


Possibly, but I do not really want to make such an assumption.


Fair enough. You'll learn in time.

You see, it can be as easily be either what many projects (commercial or
not) succumb to - because of the "I'm making stuff up as I go" client -
and/or, likely in Arlens case, the "on a need to know basis" one, (he only
tells you when he thinks you should know) thinking that that will protect
his idea against being stolen.


It's not either of these. Nil's description is spot on. His comment is
based on - way too much - experience with 'Arlen'.

It's of course fine that you want to make your own decision based on
your own experience, but be careful not to - accidentily - alienate the
good guys, by 'protecting' the bad guy and doubting the good guys.

That either of those above waste massive ammounts of effort (at each change)
on the side of the ones who try to understand (and create) what the
end-result should be does not even cross their minds ... Logically, as its
not *their* effort that gets wasted. :-(

I also think that Arlen is most likely (still) a novice, with aspirations
*way* outof his league. But than again, we all went thru that phase (for
shorter or longer times). :-(


Well, 'Arlen' has already taken many years without *any* sign of
improvement.

As to his MO: He even lies about knowledge which we know he *does*
have, just to prolong his threads, because - as Nil said, "The goal is
not to actually solve any problem.". (FYI: Just recently I threw him
some bait - one of his own solutions - and he bit, like I knew he would:
He effectively ignored it and continued making his 'problem' worse,
instead of better.)
  #44  
Old July 8th 18, 12:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

Frank,

Fair enough. You'll learn in time.


Likely. Than again, I have a short memory for such things (always assuming
that when times change so will people) and will probably stumble into the
same situation a year from now (already got some Deja Vu feelings). Possibly
even with the same person ... :-( :-)

It's not either of these. Nil's description is spot on. His comment
is based on - way too much - experience with 'Arlen'.


Hmmm... How do you guys keep track of him ? He nym-shifts (among others)
like there is no tomorrow ...

but be careful not to - accidentily - alienate the good guys,
by 'protecting' the bad guy and doubting the good guys.


Yeah, that might be a problem. Although I have no wish to protect a bad
guy, I also do not want to see an oblivious novice villified. Hence my
(carefull?) probing and prodding in his direction. As someone told me
once, "it takes just one pebble to create an avalanche".

Well, 'Arlen' has already taken many years without *any* sign
of improvement.


And all that time he keeps running into people who, eventually, call him
out, and he doesn't learn nothing from it ? Its possible I suppose, but
I've got a hard time wrapping my head around it.

But as you say, time will tell/teach me. And don't worry, although I'm
rather willing to *help* someone to grow in what he wants to do, I have a
*very* low wish to be used as a source of (nearly) full-blown solutions (I
learned that lesson "door schade en schande" (dutch) quite a number of years
ago).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #45  
Old July 8th 18, 06:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What Windwos freeware adds powerful "phone Susan" & "vipw" commands?

R.Wieser wrote:
[...]

[About 'Arlen':]

Hmmm... How do you guys keep track of him ? He nym-shifts (among others)
like there is no tomorrow ...


As he says himself, his style and MO is rather easy to recognize.

But to be fair, of late he doesn't nymshift that often. AFAIK/AFAIR,
he has even not nymshifted for several months (with one exception in an
unrelated group).

Take care.

[...]
 




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