Comparison of Anti-Virus software

On 2020-05-10 03:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

And David should note that ClamXAV gets top grades in all categories.

André

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On 10 May 2020, André G. Isaak wrote
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On 2020-05-10 03:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

And David should note that ClamXAV gets top grades in all categories.

André

Anything which contradicts his insane worldview and which manages to register
on his one working neuron as being contradictory to said worldview is
dismissed as ‘lies’. He has posted that he is on a Mission From God on
this matter. Presenting evidence which would point to the innocence of his
targets merely adds the presenter to the list of his targets. I know. I was
foolish enough to actually post in support of ClamXAV in reply to one of his
troll posts, some time ago. He then attempted to stalk me, as I was obviously
(to him) a shill for the evil malware-infested, rootkit=installing, attack
app ClamXAV, and, later, for EtreCheck. EtreCheck and its dev were added to
the target list because it _obviously_ (to him) could generate a list of all
apps, including malware, on a Mac and would _obviously_ (to him) phone home
with that list, so the dev would _obviously_ (to him) have a list of all the
malware installed by ClamXAV... and wouldn’t share it with David “Drunken
Troll-boy� Brooks. This, of course, made the dev an Enemy of the People, to
be hunted down and destroyed just as the dev of ClamXAV was to be hunted down
and destroyed and just as anyone who helped them should be hunted down and
destroyed. He went so far as to issue a ‘Formal Warning’ to me, and
contacted my newsfeed, Supernews, in an effort to dox me and to satop me from
posting my ‘lies’ about him and his Mission From God. It’s been over a
year. You’ll notice that I’m still posting using Supernews.

In my opinion, David Brooks has been severely brain-damaged by decades of
alcohol abuse. He is psychotic, with probable paranoia, including classic
delusions of grandeur. And he won’t stop; he has been thrown out of several
online fora for his idiocy; he was banned from Apple’s ASC, reinstated,
then banned again, because of his trolling, his stalking, and his attacks on
the devs of ClamXAV and EtreCheck, and on moderators. (Yes, moderators. It
takes a special kind of stupid to attack moderators in their own forum...)
You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X Server
wasn’t a toy, and EtreCheck is often suggested by various posters, usually
very senior ones, on ASC as a tool to uncover problems with Macs. He
objected. Such behaviour was Against His Mission From God.

On 2020-05-10 07:08, Wolffan wrote:

You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X Server
wasn’t a toy

The only server version of Mac OS I have (ignoring the silly server.app
add-on which doesn't IMHO count) is 10.6 server. That actually is
bundled with clamav, not ClamXAV. I think this was true for other
versions as well.

André

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Mike Easter wrote:

Let us not confuse the 'roles' and dev and 'ownership' of ClamAV, now
owned by Cisco but still open and responsible for identification roles
primarily as a mail server filtering tool with/vs that of ClamXAV which
took the open source clamav engine and database and put a Mac GUI face
on it to (try to) market to Mac OS desktop users.

It has been a long time since clamav was compared to other engines at
such as avcomparatives.

This page at avcomparatives says they tested it in 2020 (the other years
are empty) and/but that results aren't yet available.

https://www.av-comparatives.org/prod...lam-antivirus/

The wp article indicates that clamav has a role, and that several
developers have applied its engine to roles for Macs, including the
clamxav which I believe is less popular as payware than it was as freeware.

Mcafee came with the pc!

On 10 May 2020, André G. Isaak wrote
(in article ):

On 2020-05-10 07:08, Wolffan wrote:

You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X
Server
wasn’t a toy

The only server version of Mac OS I have (ignoring the silly server.app
add-on which doesn't IMHO count) is 10.6 server. That actually is
bundled with clamav, not ClamXAV. I think this was true for other
versions as well.

André

it’s been so long that I can’t recall and I no longer have anything that
runs non-toy OS X Server.

On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within
the top ten.

Who do you imagine buys an AV product wich is not amongst the leaders in
the field.?

On 10/05/2020 14:51, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 07:08, Wolffan wrote:

You see, ClamXAV was once bundled with Mac OS X Server, back when OS X
Server
wasn’t a toy

The only server version of Mac OS I have (ignoring the silly server.app
add-on which doesn't IMHO count) is 10.6 server. That actually is
bundled with clamav, not ClamXAV. I think this was true for other
versions as well.

Thank you for your honesty, André.

I have no qualms whatsoever with Clamav itself.

On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within
the top ten.

You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten.
It's simply the ten they tested during this round.

André

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On 10 May 2020, André G. Isaak wrote
(in article ):

On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within
the top ten.

You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten.
It's simply the ten they tested during this round.

André

he’s an idiot.

On 10/05/2020 15:25, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall within
the top ten.

You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top ten.
It's simply the ten they tested during this round.

My sicere apology if I'm mistaken, André

Please provide THE top-ten listing for review.

On Sun, 10 May 2020 15:10:36 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

Who do you imagine buys an AV product wich is not amongst the leaders in
the field.?

YOU bought one. I can provide the MSG_IDs where you claim you
ripped off the developer by claiming to be a "student". You still
bought it though. Unless the claim was yet another *LIE*.
As to "why" only YOU can explain.
You also obtained an illegal crack on this very group so you
could use it once it had expired. MSG_IDs available too.
Maybe you were on a binge? Maybe you're on a binge now, which
explains why you can't remember?
Whatever.... you never change.

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BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

65 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
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On 10/05/2020 10:16, Paul wrote:
David_B wrote:

I once again thank you for your thoughts. I'd not considered visiting
Britannica for detailed technical information but found nothing about
antimalware product selection. For general information, though, I will
now visit on a regular basis. :-)

There's an interesting video here, but it's dificult to always
understand the speakers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ9QKJYcq5A

How would YOU determine whether or not ClamXav was installing a
rootkit on an Apple computer?

The essence of rootkits, it they're root, and they can do anything
they want.

As an example, years ago in a Mac forum, someone wrote in that
filenames that began with the letter "f" had all disappeared from
the system. And this was some sort of file system filter that had
been installed, to hide the miscreant. The owner of the machine
noticed something weird was going on, which gave away the game to an
extent.

That is just to illustrate, that properly done, rootkits make stuff like
this... useless.
You'll notice that one of these has a .kext in it, which
hints that it's more than just a casual application or App and
is going to be "entering the arena" on the next reboot.

https://www.switchingtomac.com/tutor...-for-rootkits/


It takes a thief to catch a thief.

When Mark Russinovich made RootKitRevealer for Windows, there was
a discussion thread, where some members of the hacker community
popped by to laugh at Mark for making such a thing, and poking
fun at how they'd tip it over and so on. Whether bravado or not,
I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for things like this to
always work when you need them. If I was making a rootkit (and
rootkits aren't that prevalent from a percentage perspective),
I would be *testing* with these things before deployment.
And testing with Cloud Upload disabled, so "samples" of my handiwork
could not go anywhere. The offense always has the advantage on
this stuff.

Microsoft is afraid enough of malware, to have tumblers installed
on ths OS, that if triggered, shut down the OS in microseconds.
This covers cases where Windows Defender discovers it's been
outfoxed and if the choice is between a malware finishing an install
or not, they'll just shut it down "dirty-style" to stop it. I've
not seen any reports in the wild of this happening, so maybe it's
all bull****. Rather than Task Manager sitting there with that
"do you want to save your work" crap, the machine is just dropped
like a rock. As effective as THERMTRIP#.

And all that means in practice, is a person developing something
to attack the computer, has to put up with the computer "dropping"
on them, while they're testing. Until they/ve figured it out.

Â*Â* Paul

"Until they've figured it out"!

I *do* so like that comment. :-)

As always, I value your comments. I'd read the article you mentioned
when it was first issued - *AND* I used all procedures mentioned therein
to test my old iMac (Except ESET - my OS was too new for it).

I was only satisfied that I was 'clean' when I bought a replacement
machine - not just a replacement hard drive. Although I have 'tested'
many Mac AV softwares, I will never install ClamXav on this machine
'just in case'!

On 10/05/2020 16:23, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 09:01, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 15:25, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall
within the top ten.

You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top
ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round.

My sicere apology if I'm mistaken, André

Please provide THE top-ten listing for review.


They don't provide a top ten.

It should be pretty obvious, though, that that list isn't a top ten
since it includes two products (BitMedic and TuxGuard) they refused to
certify given that they scored 0/6 on their ability to actually detect
viruses.

OK, André, I'll accept your word on this.

Tell me, though, which AV have you installed on YOUR Apple computer?

At present, I have none installed.

On 2020-05-10 09:34, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 16:23, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 09:01, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 15:25, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2020-05-10 08:10, David_B wrote:
On 10/05/2020 10:49, Michael Logies wrote:
Another website which compares:
https://www.av-test.org/en/

https://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/
The AV-TEST GmbH is the independent research institute for IT
security
from Germany. For more than 15 years, the experts from Magdeburg have
guaranteed quality-assuring comparison and individual tests of
virtually all internationally relevant IT security products.

Thank you so much, Michael. :-)

I note in the list for MacOS Catalina that ClamXav doesn't fall
within the top ten.

You have a reading comprehension problem. That list isn't the top
ten. It's simply the ten they tested during this round.

My sicere apology if I'm mistaken, André

Please provide THE top-ten listing for review.


They don't provide a top ten.

It should be pretty obvious, though, that that list isn't a top ten
since it includes two products (BitMedic and TuxGuard) they refused to
certify given that they scored 0/6 on their ability to actually detect
viruses.

OK, André, I'll accept your word on this.

You don't have to accept my word. You can simply look at their list and
actually read the text above it.

Tell me, though, which AV have you installed on YOUR Apple computer?

Why the accusatory capital YOUR?

Currently none. Why is that of any relevance?

André

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On Sun, 10 May 2020 09:39:36 -0600, André G. Isaak
wrote:

OK, André, I'll accept your word on this.

You don't have to accept my word. You can simply look at their list and
actually read the text above it.

He has serious trouble with actually reading stuff from
spurious links he posts. So far he's managed to copy and paste a few
paragraphs. He then goes on a stalking bender completely unrelated to
the text.

Tell me, though, which AV have you installed on YOUR Apple computer?

Why the accusatory capital YOUR?

It's what he does. Attacks people that don't agree with him.
He'll be asking for your personal details next.

Currently none. Why is that of any relevance?

Don't lose any sleep over it, it never is.
HTH
FWIW, I haven't used a resident AV for ages.... and I'm on XP.
Safe hex is the way to go with any OS.
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