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  #121  
Old July 16th 20, 11:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

An accusation is not not a conviction.

accusations are not made up. there's a solid basis for the ftc filing.

ultimately, apple and qualcomm settled, so we'll never know what a
court would have decided, however, the evidence is overwhelming
*against* qualcomm.

It always is when presented by an accuser to its supporters. However
the FTC has some very good and honest judges.

so you agree the ftc had solid reasons for their filing. progress.


Twister


Exactly!


not at all.

unlike both of you, i look into the details of the various lawsuits
rather than just read the headlines and editorials, and not just for
apple either.

i also stick to the topic rather than hurl insults.

Ask him - for example - about the settlement Apple made with the
French DGCCRF (about Apple's intentional, but undocumented, slowing down
of iPhones, especially those with aging batteries) [1].


it was documented in the release notes, although the reality is that
very few people read them.

you also have the facts wrong. apple did not slow down iphones.

what they did was clip *only* peak demands, and only when an aging
battery could no longer handle those peak loads. at all other times,
performance was normal.

the alternative is sudden shutdowns because aging batteries can't
supply sufficient power for those peak demands, which is much worse.

not only does that interrupt whatever the user was doing, but it's
likely to result in data loss and there is also a small (but not zero)
potential for hardware damage.

other phones which chose not to properly manage aging batteries and
power demands ended up with a lot of sudden shutdowns and boot loops
because the sudden shutdown occurs during the boot process.

it also meant also losing a lawsuit with a much bigger payout per user,
as much as $425 cash or a $700 credit towards a new phone.

yet for some reason, nobody mentions that.

tl;dr - damned if you do and damned if you don't.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...ave-developed-
a-battery-early-shutoff-problem-and-its-becoming-a-safety-issue/
A number of Nexus 6P owners have reported an alarming battery
problem with their phones as of Android 7.0 being released for the
handset, which causes the phone to power down when the battery
gauge still shows anywhere from 10 to 60% battery remaining.
....
...There are some reports that 6P owners with the issue who have
their batteries replaced see the problem largely alleviated, again
pointing to what seems fundamentally a hardware failure that has
been made worse by software.
....
Interestingly, it seems the problem is most common in very cold
climates. These are where we see reports of phones dying at upwards
of 60% battery remaining indicated, which is obviously completely
ridiculous. As some on the various threads point out, this could
easily be a major safety issue.

https://www.classlawgroup.com/nexus-6p-bootloop/
Girard Gibbs, now Gibbs Law Group and Girard Sharp, filed a Nexus
6P class action lawsuit alleging that Nexus 6P smartphones suffer
from a defect that manifests in two ways: (1) an endless bootloop
cycle that makes the phone inoperable; and (2) accelerated battery
drain that causes premature shut down.

https://www.androidcentral.com/settl...-lawsuit-are-f
inally-arriving
It all started nearly a year after the Nexus 6P was first released,
when users began having widespread issues with the smartphone.
Many found themselves with a mysterious battery drain that would
cause the phone to shutdown unexpectedly. While others, such as
myself, woke up one day to the phone stuck in a bootloop turning it
into a worthless brick.

It didn't take long for the cases to start piling up, and eventually,
it lead to a class-action lawsuit against Google and Huawei. After
hashing it out in the courts for a couple of years, the two companies
finally agreed to pay a settlement of $9.75 million in 2019. As part
of the settlement, claimants would be sorted into different tiers
with the maximum payout being up to $400.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/0...oop-lawsuit-me
mbers-get-425-cash-700-lg-phone-rebate/
LG is offering class members plaintiffs*either $425 as a cash
settlement or a $700 rebate toward the purchase of a new LG
phone. That's pretty generous, and it's clear that's going to help
offset some of the anger LG's created with this whole incident. I
would guess most people are going to take the cash offer - that's
a*lot more than even a brand-new, working Nexus 5X - one of the
most common devices affected - would go for on the open market.
Sure, you could put that $700 rebate toward a V30 and see how
much you'd get for that new in the box, but really, that's a lot of
hassle.
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  #122  
Old July 17th 20, 02:29 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:10:07 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


you have failed to articulate *any* reason why apple would be
interested in rambus, because there is none.


Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/


you are deliberately not answering the question. no surprise there.

you are also further demonstrating just how little you know about apple
and their products.


Oh. Pardon me. I gave you the links because I thought you could read,
as well as write.

I suggest you find someone to read to you particularly 'Provisioning &
Key Management' and 'Software Protocols' with particular emphasis on
secure provisioning.
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Regards,

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  #123  
Old July 17th 20, 02:45 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

In article , Eric Stevens
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you have failed to articulate *any* reason why apple would be
interested in rambus, because there is none.

Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/


you are deliberately not answering the question. no surprise there.

you are also further demonstrating just how little you know about apple
and their products.


Oh. Pardon me. I gave you the links because I thought you could read,
as well as write.

I suggest you find someone to read to you particularly 'Provisioning &
Key Management' and 'Software Protocols' with particular emphasis on
secure provisioning.


you're still avoiding answering the question and now resorting to
insults, exactly what you do when backed into a corner.

i'll make it easy for you: what *specifically* does rambus offer that
apple does not already have, where the only solution is rambus?

note that this requires a full understanding of what apple has done
with their device security as well as what they have planned, which you
clearly do not.

linking to a company's web site, one which you are a shareholder, and
insisting that apple is in need of their products is not an answer.
  #124  
Old July 17th 20, 07:41 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot

In message Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:10:07 -0400, nospam
wrote:


In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


you have failed to articulate *any* reason why apple would be
interested in rambus, because there is none.

Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/


you are deliberately not answering the question. no surprise there.

you are also further demonstrating just how little you know about apple
and their products.


Oh. Pardon me. I gave you the links because I thought you could read,
as well as write.


You gave the links because you have nothing to support your argument.


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  #125  
Old July 20th 20, 05:49 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 08:17:45 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


No, no, no, NO. Nothing to do with just security. I've already told
you above and you have entirely ignored it.


you said:
Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/


if it has nothing to do with security, why did you point to security?


Pleae read and quote me correctly. I said "nothing to do with _just_
security" (emphasis added).


Try reading and understanding the answer I have already given you.


you didn't give an answer.

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Regards,

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  #126  
Old July 20th 20, 05:51 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 08:17:46 -0400, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Oh. Pardon me. I gave you the links because I thought you could read,
as well as write.

You gave the links because you have nothing to support your argument.

Would you acknowledge it if I told you where to find it?

why don't you do that, rather than play silly games.

Again. I have already told you. All this protesting does is show that
you are either too biggoted to to read it or too ignorant to
understand it.


you haven't told anyone anything.

you are playing silly games, pretending to know something others do
not. you're not fooling anyone.


You seem to be doing a prestty good job of fooling yourself.

keep in mind that pointing to it does not validate your claim that
apple needs or even wants rambus.


Which has nothing to do with whether or not Apple could benefit
financially from using the particular technology.


apple is doing just fine financially.


And being the philanthropists that they are, they do not want to do
any better.
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Eric Stevens
  #127  
Old July 21st 20, 04:31 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


No, no, no, NO. Nothing to do with just security. I've already told
you above and you have entirely ignored it.


you said:
Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/


if it has nothing to do with security, why did you point to security?


Pleae read and quote me correctly. I said "nothing to do with _just_
security" (emphasis added).


nope, that's *not* what you said (see below) and you're still avoiding
answering the question about what rambus has to offer apple, because
there isn't anything.

here's what you said:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:
you have failed to articulate *any* reason why apple would be
interested in rambus, because there is none.


Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/



In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:
I suggest you find someone to read to you particularly 'Provisioning &
Key Management' and 'Software Protocols' with particular emphasis on
secure provisioning.



not only did you mention security, but you even said to specifically
focus on it!

looking at those two items in particular,

https://www.rambus.com/security/provisioning-and-key-management/
Security
Provisioning and Key Management
Rambus offers secure supply chain solutions for semiconductor and
device manufacturers, enabling secure key insertion and cloud-based
device key management services.

https://www.rambus.com/security/software-protocols/
Security
Software Protocols
A complete range of secure communication toolkits and cryptographic
modules certified with high interoperability and portability for use
in security gateways, cloud deployments, smartphones, and IoT devices


neither of those is of any benefit to apple.
  #128  
Old July 21st 20, 04:31 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Oh. Pardon me. I gave you the links because I thought you could read,
as well as write.

You gave the links because you have nothing to support your argument.

Would you acknowledge it if I told you where to find it?

why don't you do that, rather than play silly games.

Again. I have already told you. All this protesting does is show that
you are either too biggoted to to read it or too ignorant to
understand it.


you haven't told anyone anything.

you are playing silly games, pretending to know something others do
not. you're not fooling anyone.


You seem to be doing a prestty good job of fooling yourself.


not at all. meanwhile, you're continuing to play games and avoiding
answering, because you haven't any clue about the topic.

keep in mind that pointing to it does not validate your claim that
apple needs or even wants rambus.

Which has nothing to do with whether or not Apple could benefit
financially from using the particular technology.


apple is doing just fine financially.


And being the philanthropists that they are, they do not want to do
any better.


nonsense.
  #129  
Old July 22nd 20, 01:47 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:31:41 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


No, no, no, NO. Nothing to do with just security. I've already told
you above and you have entirely ignored it.

you said:
Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/

if it has nothing to do with security, why did you point to security?


Pleae read and quote me correctly. I said "nothing to do with _just_
security" (emphasis added).


nope, that's *not* what you said (see below) and you're still avoiding
answering the question about what rambus has to offer apple, because
there isn't anything.


Thats twice in series that you have ignored my attempts to get you to
read the relevant text. The important thing is my text:

"I suggest you find someone to read to you particularly
'Provisioning & Key Management' and 'Software Protocols' with
particular emphasis on secure provisioning."

Don't continue this argument until you have read and understood what
this is all about.


here's what you said:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:
you have failed to articulate *any* reason why apple would be
interested in rambus, because there is none.


Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/



In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:
I suggest you find someone to read to you particularly 'Provisioning &
Key Management' and 'Software Protocols' with particular emphasis on
secure provisioning.



not only did you mention security, but you even said to specifically
focus on it!

looking at those two items in particular,

https://www.rambus.com/security/provisioning-and-key-management/
Security
Provisioning and Key Management
Rambus offers secure supply chain solutions for semiconductor and
device manufacturers, enabling secure key insertion and cloud-based
device key management services.

https://www.rambus.com/security/software-protocols/
Security
Software Protocols
A complete range of secure communication toolkits and cryptographic
modules certified with high interoperability and portability for use
in security gateways, cloud deployments, smartphones, and IoT devices


neither of those is of any benefit to apple.

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #130  
Old July 22nd 20, 02:02 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Apple profits vs Qualcomm profits (was Arlen is an idiot Explore the new system architectire of Apple Silicon Macs

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

No, no, no, NO. Nothing to do with just security. I've already told
you above and you have entirely ignored it.

you said:
Browse https://www.rambus.com/security/

if it has nothing to do with security, why did you point to security?

Pleae read and quote me correctly. I said "nothing to do with _just_
security" (emphasis added).


nope, that's *not* what you said (see below) and you're still avoiding
answering the question about what rambus has to offer apple, because
there isn't anything.


Thats twice in series that you have ignored my attempts to get you to
read the relevant text. The important thing is my text:

"I suggest you find someone to read to you particularly
'Provisioning & Key Management' and 'Software Protocols' with
particular emphasis on secure provisioning."

Don't continue this argument until you have read and understood what
this is all about.


i understand what it's about. you do not. you're also avoiding
answering, as expected.

stop with the games and make your case what rambus has that apple
needs. pretend you're making a sales pitch to apple executives.

you won't, because you know you're well out of your depths, thus the
game playing to avoid actually answering.
 




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