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Impressions of Win 10 TP so far
Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM:
John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. |
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John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM: I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. "Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ... IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin. I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I need to reboot or run disk cleanup again. |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:31:36 +0000, Malaka wrote:
John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. Pretty amazing, isn't it? My wife's netbook runs Debian Linux on a 4gb ssd. |
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Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 6:01 PM:
John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM: I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. "Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ... IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin. I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I need to reboot or run disk cleanup again. If you don't have a 3rd party start menu added, just click on the start menu icon (desktop view) and start typing "cleanup" in the box. Disk cleanup shows at the top in the list. Right click it and run as admin there. It's "supposed" to clean up the downloads. So they say! :-) |
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Impressions of Win 10 TP so far
Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 6:01 PM:
John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM: I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. "Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ... IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin. I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I need to reboot or run disk cleanup again. I just looked and my install is only 17G. I don't have Live mail but that can't add 10G. |
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"Malaka" wrote in message ... John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM: I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. "Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ... IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin. I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I need to reboot or run disk cleanup again. Open File Explorer, right-click on your C: drive, and pick Properties. Run Disk Cleanup from there. It'll come up with a list of things to remove, and will have a button in the lower left labeled "Clean up system files." That's the one you want to press to get rid of updates, service pack (version upgrade), and all the other stuff that wasn't listed on the first screen. I had already run it before, so now there is only 3MB left to clean, and my whole drive has 14.5GB used (I have installed a few programs, but nothing that uses a great amount of space, not even with all of the added together). I have Win10TP x64 running in VMWare on a Win7HP x86 desktop PC, and it seems to be pretty smooth (120GB drive space and 1.5GB of RAM). I never tried that with Win8, so I can't compare the relative difference in the two. I like the Win10 interface better than Win8 (I use StartIsBack on my Win8 machine). I'm with Big Al on the "hybrid" Start menu, but it's still better than the native Win8 GUI. Or, at least I like it better, and can live with it, without using a third-party Start menu. I might hook up another drive and see how it runs straight from the HDD without being on a virtual machine. First I have to find the time to do it :-( -- SC Tom |
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John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM: I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. "Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ... IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. "Malaka" wrote in message ... I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin. I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I need to reboot or run disk cleanup again. False alarm. I saw size in This PC, at C: drive, saw used space instead of free space. I had about 27 GB free (not used). Sorry for the mistake. I'd like to add that I can't see no way to right click and run disk cleanup as admin because there is no shortcut. Neither I know where is the executable file. If I search on start menu search field, I get icon that doesn't allow right clicking. |
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Malaka wrote on 11/5/2014 10:39 AM:
John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM: I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. "Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ... IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and there is an option there. "Malaka" wrote in message ... I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin. I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I need to reboot or run disk cleanup again. False alarm. I saw size in This PC, at C: drive, saw used space instead of free space. I had about 27 GB free (not used). Sorry for the mistake. I'd like to add that I can't see no way to right click and run disk cleanup as admin because there is no shortcut. Neither I know where is the executable file. If I search on start menu search field, I get icon that doesn't allow right clicking. In Win 8.1 (which is probably the same) it's %windir%\system32\cleanmgr.exe Which translates to C:\windows\system32 folder. If you're still interested right click that file "cleanmgr.exe" |
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On 4 Nov 2014 23:51:38 GMT, ray carter wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:31:36 +0000, Malaka wrote: John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. Pretty amazing, isn't it? My wife's netbook runs Debian Linux on a 4gb ssd. Or it would have been amazing. Malaka (his current nym) said this in a later post: "False alarm. I saw size in This PC, at C: drive, saw used space instead of free space. I had about 27 GB free (not used). Sorry for the mistake." -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:27:39 -0600, philo wrote:
Win8x has been nothing but problems for the people whose computers I must support. I've seen it terrorize just too many people who are just plain never going to learn how to use a computer other than by rote. I may be agreeing with you very soon. My 76 year old neighbour came to see me today. His XP machine had gone belly up and he wanted to buy a new one. I showed him Win 8.1 on my machine, which didn't seem to give him the horrors, so I have helped him to purchase a new desktop machine. The fun starts tomorrow when it arrives. I will have to guide him through the set-up :-( |
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John Aldred wrote on 11/5/2014 4:15 PM:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:27:39 -0600, philo wrote: Win8x has been nothing but problems for the people whose computers I must support. I've seen it terrorize just too many people who are just plain never going to learn how to use a computer other than by rote. I may be agreeing with you very soon. My 76 year old neighbour came to see me today. His XP machine had gone belly up and he wanted to buy a new one. I showed him Win 8.1 on my machine, which didn't seem to give him the horrors, so I have helped him to purchase a new desktop machine. The fun starts tomorrow when it arrives. I will have to guide him through the set-up :-( Boot to desktop and add classic shell and I think you're 90% of the way home. I've been on 8.1 for over 2 years. Installed it day one. Can't live without it. |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:27:50 -0500, Big_Al wrote:
John Aldred wrote on 11/5/2014 4:15 PM: On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:27:39 -0600, philo wrote: Win8x has been nothing but problems for the people whose computers I must support. I've seen it terrorize just too many people who are just plain never going to learn how to use a computer other than by rote. I may be agreeing with you very soon. My 76 year old neighbour came to see me today. His XP machine had gone belly up and he wanted to buy a new one. I showed him Win 8.1 on my machine, which didn't seem to give him the horrors, so I have helped him to purchase a new desktop machine. The fun starts tomorrow when it arrives. I will have to guide him through the set-up :-( Boot to desktop and add classic shell and I think you're 90% of the way home. I've been on 8.1 for over 2 years. Installed it day one. Can't live without it. I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login. Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) |
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John Aldred wrote on 11/5/2014 6:31 PM:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:27:50 -0500, Big_Al wrote: John Aldred wrote on 11/5/2014 4:15 PM: On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:27:39 -0600, philo wrote: Win8x has been nothing but problems for the people whose computers I must support. I've seen it terrorize just too many people who are just plain never going to learn how to use a computer other than by rote. I may be agreeing with you very soon. My 76 year old neighbour came to see me today. His XP machine had gone belly up and he wanted to buy a new one. I showed him Win 8.1 on my machine, which didn't seem to give him the horrors, so I have helped him to purchase a new desktop machine. The fun starts tomorrow when it arrives. I will have to guide him through the set-up :-( Boot to desktop and add classic shell and I think you're 90% of the way home. I've been on 8.1 for over 2 years. Installed it day one. Can't live without it. I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login. Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) :-) |
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"John Aldred" wrote in message ... On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:27:50 -0500, Big_Al wrote: John Aldred wrote on 11/5/2014 4:15 PM: On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:27:39 -0600, philo wrote: Win8x has been nothing but problems for the people whose computers I must support. I've seen it terrorize just too many people who are just plain never going to learn how to use a computer other than by rote. I may be agreeing with you very soon. My 76 year old neighbour came to see me today. His XP machine had gone belly up and he wanted to buy a new one. I showed him Win 8.1 on my machine, which didn't seem to give him the horrors, so I have helped him to purchase a new desktop machine. The fun starts tomorrow when it arrives. I will have to guide him through the set-up :-( Boot to desktop and add classic shell and I think you're 90% of the way home. I've been on 8.1 for over 2 years. Installed it day one. Can't live without it. I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login. Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a while :-) Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for it. I agree with Big Al- set up Classic Shell or one of the other 3rd party Start menu programs and he may not notice much difference. I use StartIsBack on my 8.1 laptop, and there is virtually no difference between it and my Win7 desktop, which looks pretty much like XP thanks to Classic Shell. If he's like some of the XP people I've dealt with (and it's been a while), the biggest obstacle they had was changing email programs. No matter what, I think you do have a fun few days coming up :-) -- SC Tom |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:02:41 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 4 Nov 2014 23:51:38 GMT, ray carter wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:31:36 +0000, Malaka wrote: John Aldred wrote: My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10. Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change. Turning off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point. Adding additional desktops could be useful. Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad press that win 8 received. Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like it :-) What do others think of Microsoft's new offering? "...winston‫" escreveu wrote ... Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage. - relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build 9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be compromised. Pretty amazing, isn't it? My wife's netbook runs Debian Linux on a 4gb ssd. Or it would have been amazing. Malaka (his current nym) said this in a later post: "False alarm. I saw size in This PC, at C: drive, saw used space instead of free space. I had about 27 GB free (not used). Sorry for the mistake." Would be interesting to know what size disk. |
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