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This risible business about "being told to uninstall a few applications
because Vista won't run with them" -- before installing Vista on a box is appalling. I certainly don't want to uninstall any applications in order to make Vista operate properly. Far better to wait until applications and Vista are more sympatico with each other and THEN install Vista -- IF someone can tell us TEN Good Reasons that are not fluff, smoke and mirrors why Vista is far better than XP Pro SP2. I'll even buy an entirely new system if required. This silly-buggers, repeated cry to: "Tell me how you use your computer and the hardware description and I'll tell you if Vista is right for you" is kindergarten stuff. Joe Doaks may be using his computer one way today and then get a digital camera and want to be rapidly processing mega-pixel image files a month from now -- so that methodology is flawed from the get-go. Today's Requirements May Be A Far Cry From One's Requirements Six Months From Now -- As Technologies & Requirements Evolve. The Burden of Proof is on Microsoft to tell us TEN Good Reasons why Vista is better than XP Pro SP2 NOW. So far, they have struck out. Is anyone still buying Windows Millennium Edition that was once so widely touted as a breakthrough edition? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum |
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SMART!
DSH ----------------------------------- "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... But, the bump I can get with an N-1 state- of-the-art PC (I do NOT buy bleeding edge anything!) says I can only get about a 50% increase over my current AMD 2.6 GHz, which ain't nearly enough to justify the expense and PITA associated with a new system. So, I'm going to sit out the Vista feeding frenzy for now, watch all of this unfold and monitor the experience of the early adopters, and look to a new PC this winter. |
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
This risible business about "being told to uninstall a few applications because Vista won't run with them" -- before installing Vista on a box is appalling. I certainly don't want to uninstall any applications in order to make Vista operate properly. Far better to wait until applications and Vista are more sympatico with each other and THEN install Vista -- IF someone can tell us TEN Good Reasons that are not fluff, smoke and mirrors why Vista is far better than XP Pro SP2. I'll even buy an entirely new system if required. This silly-buggers, repeated cry to: "Tell me how you use your computer and the hardware description and I'll tell you if Vista is right for you" is kindergarten stuff. Joe Doaks may be using his computer one way today and then get a digital camera and want to be rapidly processing mega-pixel image files a month from now -- so that methodology is flawed from the get-go. Today's Requirements May Be A Far Cry From One's Requirements Six Months From Now -- As Technologies & Requirements Evolve. The Burden of Proof is on Microsoft to tell us TEN Good Reasons why Vista is better than XP Pro SP2 NOW. I'd like to but I can't even think of a single one... -- Stephan Rose 2003 Yamaha R6 君のこと思い出すひなんてないのは 君のこと忘れた時がないから |
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You can do all that with Japanese IME and XP, right?
As we have been told, only Vista Ultimate has such capabilities -- none of the other versions allegedly allow you to have a truly multi-lingual computer. You are allegedly limited to a single language when you activate it. But what we have been told is VERY fuzzy, so it's unclear if that is precisely accurate. Then, even if you have Vista Ultimate, you MIGHT be required to buy a separate Language Pack to have, say Russian capabilities, on the same computer, rather than just downloading the appropriate files and fonts from Microsoft. All that is very fuzzy and hazy too. Kampai! DSH "Stephan Rose" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Ability to read, send, receive and print in another language -- and with menus in that other language. And it can't do that? Well then there is another reason for me not to use it. Damn that list keeps growing and growing =) -- Stephan Rose 2003 Yamaha R6 ???????????????? ????????????? |
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"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... My old PC, now my wife's PC that replaced her old and slow Win 98SE system last year, is an AMD 1.6 GHz CPU machine with just 512 MB. It runs S-L-O-W! Part of it is memory and the rest is a small and SLOW HD. I could fix this, maybe, by upping the ram another half meg and replace the HD, but my strategy is to give her my PC when I build a new one, maybe this winter. See my other post for details on that. But, given my experience in a graphics environment with this old workhorse and my wife's limited surfing experience, and I would say that the paint on growing grass would still be wet when I cut the grass if she were runing Vista. How big is the HD? IDE? 5400 or 7200? Hard drive size, especially available hard drive size, has an impact on speed. If Windows runs out of RAM, it uses hard drive for RAM with a swap file, which could be why my system runs pretty smooth. I'm running a 1 GHz AMD with 512 RAM with 2 HDs, a 120 GB and a 40 GB. I'm currently running WinME on that, and it should work even better with XP. I wouldn't try Vista on it... |
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Here we go again! TWO GB of RAM, as a minimum, if you intend to do any serious Photoshop work with Vista. The TRUTH is always SLOW to emerge in these discussions. We are beginning to clear away the bafflegab, blather, codswallop, balderdash and rusty boilerplate persiflage. "Your machine will run Vista" -- that should be the punch line to a bad joke. "Your car will run -- of course, climbing hills may be a problem -- or driving over 40 miles per hour." DSH That's the thing right there. Your car will run, but do you need it to run uphill? Steep hills? Some people only ever drive on flat land. I owned a 4 cylinder car once, which I once tried to drive up a steep hill, where I literally had the gas pedal down as far as it would go to get up to 35 MPH. You might need more power in your car if you need to be able to pull out quickly onto a busy street... |
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Ah, OK -- so this is a research project then. Fair enough.
No, not a research project at all. Just honest, straightforward questions. Well, research includes honest, straightforward questions. I've rarely found 'just out, buy it now' arguments compelling. Over time though the environment changes (better drivers, software which takes better advantage of the new OS, hardware optimized for the new OS, that sort of thing). So eventually moving to Vista is likely to be compelling for Windows users. I do think Microsoft's plans to 'cycle' OS on a 24 to 30 month time frame is not going to be that effective. But that is just my opinion there. In any event, when presented with a 30 month OS cycle, my own inclination is to skip releases. So I have some clients running Windows 2000. Sometime next year they may well go to Vista. Clients who just got new hardware last year are running XP and will likely run it for three to four years. -- Barry Schnur |
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
You can do all that with Japanese IME and XP, right? Well XP I can use the Japanese IME but there is no way I am aware of to change the operating system language. So that basically limits the capabilities to reading / writing text. You wouldn't have your menus, buttons, texts, icons, etc. in a different language. Kubuntu...I can use the IME and I can switch the entire operating system to any language I want, at any moment I want, in real-time with a single mouse click and don't even need to reboot as often as I want all day long. As we have been told, only Vista Ultimate has such capabilities -- none of the other versions allegedly allow you to have a truly multi-lingual computer. You are allegedly limited to a single language when you activate it. But what we have been told is VERY fuzzy, so it's unclear if that is precisely accurate. Well if it starts with "You have to buy ultimate..." I don't doubt it. Then, even if you have Vista Ultimate, you MIGHT be required to buy a separate Language Pack to have, say Russian capabilities, on the same computer, rather than just downloading the appropriate files and fonts from Microsoft. All that is very fuzzy and hazy too. I don't doubt that either. -- Stephan Rose 2003 Yamaha R6 君のこと思い出すひなんてないのは 君のこと忘れた時がないから |
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It's open to question whether you can do that in Vista.
DSH "Stephan Rose" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: You can do all that with Japanese IME and XP, right? Well XP I can use the Japanese IME but there is no way I am aware of to change the operating system language. So that basically limits the capabilities to reading / writing text. You wouldn't have your menus, buttons, texts, icons, etc. in a different language. Kubuntu...I can use the IME and I can switch the entire operating system to any language I want, at any moment I want, in real-time with a single mouse click and don't even need to reboot as often as I want all day long. As we have been told, only Vista Ultimate has such capabilities -- none of the other versions allegedly allow you to have a truly multi-lingual computer. You are allegedly limited to a single language when you activate it. But what we have been told is VERY fuzzy, so it's unclear if that is precisely accurate. Well if it starts with "You have to buy ultimate..." I don't doubt it. Then, even if you have Vista Ultimate, you MIGHT be required to buy a separate Language Pack to have, say Russian capabilities, on the same computer, rather than just downloading the appropriate files and fonts from Microsoft. All that is very fuzzy and hazy too. I don't doubt that either. -- Stephan Rose 2003 Yamaha R6 ???????????????? ????????????? |
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Today, Eric made these interesting comments ...
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... My old PC, now my wife's PC that replaced her old and slow Win 98SE system last year, is an AMD 1.6 GHz CPU machine with just 512 MB. It runs S-L-O-W! Part of it is memory and the rest is a small and SLOW HD. I could fix this, maybe, by upping the ram another half meg and replace the HD, but my strategy is to give her my PC when I build a new one, maybe this winter. See my other post for details on that. But, given my experience in a graphics environment with this old workhorse and my wife's limited surfing experience, and I would say that the paint on growing grass would still be wet when I cut the grass if she were runing Vista. How big is the HD? IDE? 5400 or 7200? Hard drive size, especially available hard drive size, has an impact on speed. If Windows runs out of RAM, it uses hard drive for RAM with a swap file, which could be why my system runs pretty smooth. I'm running a 1 GHz AMD with 512 RAM with 2 HDs, a 120 GB and a 40 GB. I'm currently running WinME on that, and it should work even better with XP. I wouldn't try Vista on it... This is a pointless debate, Eric. I am system aware and can determine my destiny just fine. The description I have already provided is enough for you to answer your own questions. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
Spence, by and large, you are correct, but speaking to the choir. Thinking people not easily swayed by marketing hype designed to scare them aren't worried. And, the last time I looked, nobody was holding an Uzi to anyone's head to make them BUY an new O/S. The real issue, not necessarily being debated here is what do NEW PC buyers do? Ya can't buy XP anymore. This risible business about "being told to uninstall a few applications because Vista won't run with them" -- before installing Vista on a box is appalling. I certainly don't want to uninstall any applications in order to make Vista operate properly. Far better to wait until applications and Vista are more sympatico with each other and THEN install Vista -- IF someone can tell us TEN Good Reasons that are not fluff, smoke and mirrors why Vista is far better than XP Pro SP2. I'll even buy an entirely new system if required. This silly-buggers, repeated cry to: "Tell me how you use your computer and the hardware description and I'll tell you if Vista is right for you" is kindergarten stuff. Joe Doaks may be using his computer one way today and then get a digital camera and want to be rapidly processing mega-pixel image files a month from now -- so that methodology is flawed from the get-go. Today's Requirements May Be A Far Cry From One's Requirements Six Months From Now -- As Technologies & Requirements Evolve. The Burden of Proof is on Microsoft to tell us TEN Good Reasons why Vista is better than XP Pro SP2 NOW. So far, they have struck out. Is anyone still buying Windows Millennium Edition that was once so widely touted as a breakthrough edition? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
Here we go again! TWO GB of RAM, as a minimum, if you intend to do any serious Photoshop work with Vista. The TRUTH is always SLOW to emerge in these discussions. We are beginning to clear away the bafflegab, blather, codswallop, balderdash and rusty boilerplate persiflage. "Your machine will run Vista" -- that should be the punch line to a bad joke. "Your car will run -- of course, climbing hills may be a problem -- or driving over 40 miles per hour." DSH "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... Your machine will run Vista, but bear in mind that XP users were advised to run 1-1.5gb if working with Photoshop and similar.. memory required is down to what will be run on the machine, not just the OS in use.. look to upgrading RAM to 2gb or more if you find that you need more. Spence, I think you and I are in pretty good agreement, but in this forum, we're spitting into a strong wind. CPU, memory and HD intensive applications like computer graphics on 6,8, 12 mega pixel files will bring even a very hot box with 4 or more gigs or memory to its knees even on XP. And, perception is everything. What is fast or slow to one person may be the opposite to another. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Jerry, I'm not entirely sure you understand my position.
I WANT people to buy Vista or a better MS OS. I WANT Microsoft to make money. Hades, I'm a stockholder. But I do NOT want Microsoft to push an inferior product on people and I think they have done a completely terrible and incompetent marketing job on Vista. Hades, they can't even provide TEN Good Reasons for XP users to upgrade to Vista. All they can do is mumble and pass gas and tell us support for XP will eventually be cut off and they will obsolete their own product -- which they felt they were not doing fast enough before. Heads should roll at Redmond. These MVP's are being put in a very difficult and untenable position where they are not being provided with the Good Information they need to tell us about the Vista product and easily absorbed technical information, which they can then pass on to us, concerning capabilities and liabilities. I get the impression they are being muzzled and micro-managed to the point where their options are very limited as to what they can tell us. The MVP's are Smart, Savvy People I'm sure -- and they should be kept on a looser rein to the point where they can give us Good Gouge. I fully realize they are not marketers or hacks working for Microsoft, just pushing product -- nor should they be. But they should be IN THE Know more -- and not be hamstrung so much by bureaucrats. 'Nuff Said. So, where are you posting from? DSH "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ... Spence, by and large, you are correct, but speaking to the choir. Thinking people not easily swayed by marketing hype designed to scare them aren't worried. And, the last time I looked, nobody was holding an Uzi to anyone's head to make them BUY an new O/S. The real issue, not necessarily being debated here is what do NEW PC buyers do? Ya can't buy XP anymore. This risible business about "being told to uninstall a few applications because Vista won't run with them" -- before installing Vista on a box is appalling. I certainly don't want to uninstall any applications in order to make Vista operate properly. Far better to wait until applications and Vista are more sympatico with each other and THEN install Vista -- IF someone can tell us TEN Good Reasons that are not fluff, smoke and mirrors why Vista is far better than XP Pro SP2. I'll even buy an entirely new system if required. This silly-buggers, repeated cry to: "Tell me how you use your computer and the hardware description and I'll tell you if Vista is right for you" is kindergarten stuff. Joe Doaks may be using his computer one way today and then get a digital camera and want to be rapidly processing mega-pixel image files a month from now -- so that methodology is flawed from the get-go. Today's Requirements May Be A Far Cry From One's Requirements Six Months From Now -- As Technologies & Requirements Evolve. The Burden of Proof is on Microsoft to tell us TEN Good Reasons why Vista is better than XP Pro SP2 NOW. So far, they have struck out. Is anyone still buying Windows Millennium Edition that was once so widely touted as a breakthrough edition? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
Jerry, I'm not entirely sure you understand my position. I WANT people to buy Vista or a better MS OS. I WANT Microsoft to make money. Hades, I'm a stockholder. I useta was, but sold it for half-price. If you WANT people to buy Vista, why are you asking MS to give you 10 reasons to? I understand being a owner of the company, but I don't lobby against companies I own stock in, and no, I'm not talking about Chrysler, I actually do have a broader portfolio than that. grin But I do NOT want Microsoft to push an inferior product on people and I think they have done a completely terrible and incompetent marketing job on Vista. Good luck, Spence. We probably got a hint that it was problematic for MS when they delayed the release from October/November to January, and were damn lucky to make that. Rumors swirled around here and other places but their press releases used weasal words about ensuring a quality product which is probably a euphemism for "it is too buggy to release." I don't know and don't want to speculate, but as far as making it a superior product, if I even knew what that might be, the basic features were in stone years ago, it is a fact now, and all of us aruing about the degree of bloatware it may or may not be is a pointless exercise. I have a saying that may apply he "reality trumps any card in the game of life." I am a realist/pragmatist, and also a cynic - what a surprise! So, I know that it isn't the truth about anything, including Vista, that is important, it is how the truth is perceived. As to incompetent marketing, MS has the OEMs sewed up tight, so no issue there. And, from what I can see locally, there's a major feeding frenzy to be the first one on your block to buy it. I don't have a clue as to the early sales numbers, but there ain't nothing wrong with the marketing blitz I can see. Misguided, perhaps, but effective as people ARE paying some pretty big bucks to get it. Hades, they can't even provide TEN Good Reasons for XP users to upgrade to Vista. I suppose it would be a good notion for them to do so. But, I am 2nd generation Chrysler and like to think I know a thing or two about product development, CAD, and OA, and I can't recall any of our advertising providing 10 reasons to buy a new Plymouth, Dodge,DeSoto, Chrysler or Imperial. Yes, the ads would and still do extol unique features and reasons to buy, but car people kind of think that if you need 10 reasons to convince you, you probably have no intension anyway. So, all MS has to do is give you a few sound bytes about new whiz bang graphics, better help screens, improved drivers, and the like and you will WANT to own the 2007 model desperately. OR, they want to scare you blind that if you don't upgrade right away, you're missing something so earthshatter it cannot be described. Or, can it? All they can do is mumble and pass gas and tell us support for XP will eventually be cut off and they will obsolete their own product -- which they felt they were not doing fast enough before. This has been discussed, by me this time. LONG after MS "stopped" support of Win 98SE, I was still getting patches. My wife's SP1 box is getting "obsolete version" messages, but she is still getting updates. Think about it a minute: for the millions who cannot - or will not - upgrade, does MS really want to drive them either to a Mac or, gasp! to a free O/S with competitive apps, like Linux? Heads should roll at Redmond. These MVP's are being put in a very difficult and untenable position where they are not being provided with the Good Information they need to tell us about the Vista product and easily absorbed technical information, which they can then pass on to us, concerning capabilities and liabilities. No comment. I can and do talk about the travails about my company but I do not disparage them. However, I also do not shill for them. I would hope that employees of all the companies I buy products and services from would be so candid, but just ain't so. And, no, again, I am NOT singling out MS here, merely commenting that the MVPs, whether I personally like it or not, somehow feel compelled to primarily recommend MS solutions rather than competitors and to put a positive spin on things. Run Vista on 512 MB? I really don't think so, but I obviously have no facts and no experience as I am not a beta tester (and refuse to use my Visa card for that). I get the impression they are being muzzled and micro-managed to the point where their options are very limited as to what they can tell us. The MVP's are Smart, Savvy People I'm sure -- and they should be kept on a looser rein to the point where they can give us Good Gouge. I don't know what the NDA says of what EULA they agreed to, but I would hazard a guess that putting on a happy face in public is encouraged. Why would MS what their name on people to disparage the company? I fully realize they are not marketers or hacks working for Microsoft, just pushing product -- nor should they be. But they should be IN THE Know more -- and not be hamstrung so much by bureaucrats. 'Nuff Said. So, where are you posting from? DSH "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ... Spence, by and large, you are correct, but speaking to the choir. Thinking people not easily swayed by marketing hype designed to scare them aren't worried. And, the last time I looked, nobody was holding an Uzi to anyone's head to make them BUY an new O/S. The real issue, not necessarily being debated here is what do NEW PC buyers do? Ya can't buy XP anymore. This risible business about "being told to uninstall a few applications because Vista won't run with them" -- before installing Vista on a box is appalling. I certainly don't want to uninstall any applications in order to make Vista operate properly. Far better to wait until applications and Vista are more sympatico with each other and THEN install Vista -- IF someone can tell us TEN Good Reasons that are not fluff, smoke and mirrors why Vista is far better than XP Pro SP2. I'll even buy an entirely new system if required. This silly-buggers, repeated cry to: "Tell me how you use your computer and the hardware description and I'll tell you if Vista is right for you" is kindergarten stuff. Joe Doaks may be using his computer one way today and then get a digital camera and want to be rapidly processing mega-pixel image files a month from now -- so that methodology is flawed from the get-go. Today's Requirements May Be A Far Cry From One's Requirements Six Months From Now -- As Technologies & Requirements Evolve. The Burden of Proof is on Microsoft to tell us TEN Good Reasons why Vista is better than XP Pro SP2 NOW. So far, they have struck out. Is anyone still buying Windows Millennium Edition that was once so widely touted as a breakthrough edition? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum -- HP, aka Jerry -- HP, aka Jerry |
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My son's box has 1GB RAM. His main tasks are email, surfing the web, and
playing "Call of Duty," which, as I understand it, is a game that will barf if the system isn't up to specs. (By barfing, I mean, not play well. I'm not a gamer, so... I have to rely on my son's reports as to whether or not his system is working acceptably. And... believe me, if he were having a poor experience playing his favorite game, I'd hear about it.) Lang "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Today, Lang Murphy made these interesting comments ... My son's running Vista Ultimate with 1GB RAM. Games, streaming video, DVD's, without issue. I define "without issue" as "fine." OK. I'm curious, Lang. How much RAM does your son have? I assume from your reply to me that it is 1 gig or less. Also, what are his main purpose(s) for using a PC, e.g., web surfing or word processing vs processing large mega pixel digital camera images. A subjective adjective like "fine" in this context highly depends on one's perception and, as you say, you use it to mean "I ain't had no problems". Lang "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Today, Kerry Brown made these interesting comments ... It depends on what you are doing. For most people Vista runs just fine with 1 GB RAM. Kerry, nothing runs fine with only 1 gig. Run, yes. Fine, no. Not even XP Pro SP1 can, I know. -- HP, aka Jerry -- HP, aka Jerry |
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