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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:55:17 +0100, "Carlos E. R."
wrote: Well, because it can't be just a plain web server in Android. It needs to have, er, a special page so that you can upload files. Same way as when you upload a photo to some site. I understand what you're saying so thank you for clarifying. What that means is that a web server on Android is out of the question. What's on the table is pretty good though. 1. File Sharing on Windows, then Sanba/CIFS client on Android 1. File Sharing on Windows, then WiFi File Transfer client on Android 2. FTP server on Android, then FTP client on Windows For #1 above, I turned on WinXP file sharing to c:\tmp\smb and then I put a text file foobar.txt in that directory. Then I installed AndSMB by Lyesoft on Android. a. I clicked AndSMB settings to change the default location from: /storage/emulated/0 to /storage/extSdCard/sddata/ b. Then I pressed the plus button, where it asked for: * Hostname: {I got the hostname from My Computer Properties} * Username: {I got the username from Start Log off usr1} * Password: (I left this blank) * Domain: I left this blank) * anonymous (I left this unchecked) * Local dir: /mnt/extSdCard/sddata * Remote dir: /share/optionalfolder That gave me a blue folder with the name of the WinXP computer. I pressed that blue folder. But AndSMB found nothing. I tried a few more things but AndSMB found nothing. So, the fundamental thing to figure out is how to access a shared folder from AndSMB. |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:38:02 -0400, tlvp wrote:
What's the best Windows FTP client graphical user interface? Best? No such beast. Good enough for me and many web-site administrators, though: FileZilla. Does both insecure FTP and secure SFTP and FTPS. And free, to boot :-) . HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp It looks like there are three methods that "should" work to transfer files from Windows to Android that don't require a lot of effort on either side. 1. Best probably but I haven't gotten the syntax down yet is to turn on file sharing for Windows (e.g., C:\tmp\smb) and then add an SMB/CIFS client on Android. 2. Not bad because graphical FTP user interfaces exist for Windows is to turn on an FTP server on Android and access the bidirectionsl file transfer via a graphical FTP client on Windows. 3. Probably the worst but only because web interfaces stink for file transfer is to run a WiFi File Transfer service on Android which allows bidirectional file transfer (the one I tested is limited arbitrarily by file size which is just crazy for something so trivial so I uninstalled it). Following your advice, I installed the FileZilla client on Windows XP from https://filezilla-project.org/ It complained saying FileZilla 3.25.1_win32 requires as a minimum Windows Vista. but the installer seemed to run nonetheless so I installed it into c:\tmp\smb\filezilla_client but when I clicked on the start menu link, it said "filezilla.exe is not a valid Win32 application". So I uninstalled it (since I already had WinSCP working as an FTP client on Windows). |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:01:56 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote: Thanks for that advice as I do have ES File Explorer, When I googled, this article seems to explain how to use ES File Explorer to connect to network shares (whatever that means in English). http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/fiv...twork-storage/ Five Android apps to help you connect to network storage Even though that article "says" ES File Explorer can connect to SMB networks shares, it's not obvious how to do that. On Windows, which is on the same network as my Android phone, I created C:\tmp\smb and then shared that directory as "smb" which was easy enough to do. Then on Android I started ES File Explorer and then hit the top left hamburger menu and then expanded "Network" which had a "network" subheading. In that Network subheading were four options: a. LAN b. FTP c. Android TV d. Search Result You can't click on any of those lines so I hit the big blue "Scan" button on the bottom. It says "Loading" and "scanning" for a really long time (minutes) with only a "Cancel" and "Hide" button. After a super long time for something so simple, up popped under "Search Results" 3 different folders saying "SFTP" on them and an IP address below them, for just three of my many Access Points, which is pretty much useless. So if there is a way for ES File Explorer to attach to a SMB share on a WinXP computer on the same network, it's not obvious how to do that, and even so, it's slow as can possibly be which makes what was already useless even more so. |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Androidover WiFi?
On 3/20/2017 9:45 PM, Jonas Schneider wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:38:02 -0400, tlvp wrote: What's the best Windows FTP client graphical user interface? Best? No such beast. Good enough for me and many web-site administrators, though: FileZilla. Does both insecure FTP and secure SFTP and FTPS. And free, to boot :-) . HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp It looks like there are three methods that "should" work to transfer files from Windows to Android that don't require a lot of effort on either side. 1. Best probably but I haven't gotten the syntax down yet is to turn on file sharing for Windows (e.g., C:\tmp\smb) and then add an SMB/CIFS client on Android. 2. Not bad because graphical FTP user interfaces exist for Windows is to turn on an FTP server on Android and access the bidirectionsl file transfer via a graphical FTP client on Windows. 3. Probably the worst but only because web interfaces stink for file transfer is to run a WiFi File Transfer service on Android which allows bidirectional file transfer (the one I tested is limited arbitrarily by file size which is just crazy for something so trivial so I uninstalled it). Pay for the program to remove the limit. It wasn't expensive. I've probably spent more on electricity to read this thread. Following your advice, I installed the FileZilla client on Windows XP from https://filezilla-project.org/ It complained saying FileZilla 3.25.1_win32 requires as a minimum Windows Vista. but the installer seemed to run nonetheless so I installed it into c:\tmp\smb\filezilla_client but when I clicked on the start menu link, it said "filezilla.exe is not a valid Win32 application". So I uninstalled it (since I already had WinSCP working as an FTP client on Windows). |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:03:18 -0700, mike wrote:
Pay for the program to remove the limit. It wasn't expensive. I've probably spent more on electricity to read this thread. I understand what you're saying, which is to pay to remove the artificial limit, but, the entire of asking the question of the experts here is to find a good solution (and, in fact, to find the best solution). Why would I ask experts for a good solution if all I was going to do was pay to remove an artificial restriction on a terrible solution? Based on what people suggested in this thread, the most valuable solution are the two SMB-based solutions, while the second-most valuable solution is the FTP-based solution, with the worst solution being a web-based one. Proposed solutions ranked on value fitting initial criteria: 1. Native file sharing on WinXP. Native Wi-Fi Direct on Android. 2. Native file sharing on WinXP. SMB/CIFS client on Android. 3. Graphical FTP client on WinXP. FTP server on Android. 4. Native web browser on WinXP. HTTP server on Android. If we can get these 4 solutions to work, then everyone will benefit who wants to share files between Windows & Android over WiFi with little to no software added on either platform. So far, here where my tests a 1. SMB: This is the best but there are SMB learning curve syntax issues. 2. SMB: This is 2nd best but there are SMB learning curve syntax issues. 3. FTP: Works just fine and is what I used to solve the initial problem. 4. HTTP: Works but stinks in the end as a solution. So the question now, to flesh out the SMB-based solutions is whether anyone out there has either #1 or #2 working, and if so, what syntax did you use? In my case, here's the data: A. Computer = 122.168.1.10 (aka "home") B. Login = user1 C. Password = blank D. Workgroup = HOME E. Share = C:\tmp\smb But every time I try to connect with method #1 or #2 from Android, it doesn't connect, so, I think I have a SMB or Wi-Fi Direct syntax setup problem. Does anyone have either the #1 or #2 solution working? Can you help advise me on the SMB syntax you used? |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:53:55 -0400, Big Al wrote:
This suggests WiFi File Transfer but there are lots of apps with that name https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...fer&hl=en _GB This is the version I use. Simple. Does it via a web page on your PC. Turn on the app on the phone, and the phone becomes a web server of sorts and the screen supplies you with the IP address to put in the PC's web browser. From there is point and click upload and download like any other web site. Thanks for the pointer to the better "WiFi File Transfer" application which was the one from SmarterDroid. That helps narrow the testing because there were many "WiFi File Transfer" utilities, so just the name wasn't enough to get the right one. I did try it, and it worked, but I immediately deleted it as substandard given the well known limitation that a web browser is a terrible way to transfer files (compared to methods better suited for file transfer). But here's what I did for others to benefit from the steps. 1. I start WiFi File Transfer. 2. A blue screen with a "Start" button shows up. 3. I press that large "Start" button. 4. Up pops a "WiFi File Transfer" dialog saying: You can now access the files on your Android device by typing the following address into your computer's browser: http://192.168.1.10:1234 5. On Windows I brought up a browser to that URI. 6. On the web page, I found the red button saying "Transfer file to device", which there was a "Choose Files" button below that, which says "5MB per file max", which is fine for text files (but which is not fine for pictures or videos). So, this method using basically an http server on Android worked to transfer files from Windows XP to Android, but, truth be told, a web browser (especially one limited arbitrarily to 5MB per file) is a terrible way to transfer files. However, what's really nice about this method is that it does not require ANYTHING to be installed on Windows (since browsers are already there). But there are other methods which don't require anything to be installed on Windows which are far better than a web page (which is just about the worst way possible to transfer files. 1. The best way is SMB, but the syntax requires a learning curve. 2. The second-best way is FTP, which worked just fine in my tests. 3. The worst way is HTTP, which worked fine & requires no learning curve. Currently, my recommendation is that if you're an expert, you will have the SMB method working already. If you're a novice, the HTTP method will work just fine. And if you're in the middle (where I am), then the FTP method will work best (until I learn the SMB syntax). Expert = SMB {requires network syntax knowledge) Competent = FTP {requires little network syntax knowledge} Novice = HTTP {requires no network syntax knowledge} They all have their value but in different ways, where my goal in asking the question is to obtain help from experts on the best way, which is the SMB method. |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:26:09 -0400, Paul wrote:
What about using SMB/Samba-CIFS to talk to Windows file sharing ? As long as both devices are on the same Wifi, and have the same workgroup setting. https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...t.andsmb&hl=en Hi Paul, The SMB suggestion is the best because it could require no software, since apparently Android native "WiFi Direct" works with Windows file sharing. However, I can't get the SMB syntax to work yet because both WiFi Direct and SMB are new to me, so I must have the syntax wrong somehow. Here is what I have by way of setup on the WinXP computer: A. Computer = 122.168.1.10 (aka "home" in "My Computer") B. Login = user1 C. Password = this is a single-user PC so there is no password D. Workgroup = HOME E. Share = C:\tmp\smb https://s18.postimg.org/5hm65fd1l/smb.jpg Here is what I have by way of setup on Android "AndSMB". https://s17.postimg.org/p3hznn8rj/smb.gif I realize it takes a network expert to know about SMB syntax so that's why I ask if anyone here can see what's wrong with my AndSMB setup? Does anyone here have AndSMB working with WinXP where you can tell me what you do differently by way of setup so I can follow in your footsteps? |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:05:06 +0100, "Carlos E. R."
wrote: No, not really, in the sense that you don't have to install some specific application or driver, created probably by the same people than the app on Android. Of all the suggested methods (ranked by probable best to worst): 1. Native Wi-Fi Direct on Android. Native file sharing on WinXP. 2. SMB/CIFS client on Android. Native file sharing on WinXP. 3. FTP server on Android. Graphical FTP client on WinXP. 4. HTTP server on Android. Native web browser on WinXP. Only the first one didn't require anything to be installed, but it's OK to install software on either Android or Windows as long as that software isn't a limitation in and of itself. I already have the #3 and #4 methods working just fine but what I'm trying to get working are the #1 and #2 methods where my stumbling block is that it takes an expert in either WiFi Direct syntax or SMB syntax to figure out how to connect. Does anyone have either WiFi Direct or SMB working? Can you explain what syntax you used? Here is my WiFi Direct result where it doesn't find my WinXP computer: https://s2.postimg.org/ga5w1dqh5/wifidirect.png Here is how I set up my c:\tmp\smb share on Windows XP: https://s18.postimg.org/5hm65fd1l/smb.jpg A. Computer = 122.168.1.10 (aka "home") B. Login = user1 C. Password = blank D. Workgroup = HOME E. Share = C:\tmp\smb And here is my Android AndSMB setup to connect to that Windows XP sha https://s17.postimg.org/p3hznn8rj/smb.gif Does anyone have WiFi Direct or AndSMB working who can show me their setup so that I can duplicate it on my pretty normal network? |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 03:18:26 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote: What do you use to copy text files from WinXP over to Android over WiFi? These are the suggested methods: 1. Native Wi-Fi Direct on Android. Native file sharing on WinXP. 2. SMB/CIFS client on Android. Native file sharing on WinXP. 3. FTP server on Android. Graphical FTP client on WinXP. 4. HTTP server on Android. Native web browser on WinXP. The #3 and #4 methods worked the first time, but I'm having trouble with the syntax for the #1 and #2 methods so they aren't working yet. Googling for a tutorial on how to wirelessly transfer files, I found an improvement on the FTP-suggested method #3 over here. [Tutorial] How To Wirelessly Transfer Files To/From Your Android Phone And Your Windows PC http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/08...one-over-wlan/ That makes use of Windows "Map Network Drive", which is an improvement on the variation of #3 because it requires no FTP software on the Windows machine and because you manage files on Android exactly as if they're a Windows hard disk drive. 3a. FTP server on Android. Native Map Network Drive on WinXP. 3b. FTP server on Android. Graphical FTP client on WinXP. Here are the detailed steps so that others can follow. 1. On Android, turn on any FTP server to obtain the FTP hostort address. Example: 192.168.1.5:12345 2. On Windows, right click on My Computer Map Network Drive 3. Click on "Sign up for online storage or connect to a network server." https://s24.postimg.org/43hazaag1/mnd1.jpg 4. That pops up a WinXP "Welcome to the Add Network Place Wizard". https://s24.postimg.org/mkbpq3qe9/mnd2.jpg 5. Click Next. 6. That pops up a "Choose another network location" button. https://s24.postimg.org/8rxaugzmp/mnd3.jpg 7. Click on that (it's your only option anyway) 8. That asks for the "internet or network address". https://s24.postimg.org/ryahxng4h/mnd4.jpg 9. Type in "192.168.1.5:12345" and hit "Next". 10. That asks if you want to log in anonymously to which you can assent. https://s24.postimg.org/ra1nephep/mnd5.jpg 11. It asks you to enter a name for the network place (take the default) https://s24.postimg.org/i3ny561k1/mnd6.jpg 12. It then asks you if you want to open this network place (hit "Finish") https://s24.postimg.org/ihpa4rlnl/mnd7.jpg That opens up a Windows Explorer window of your Android device, which is a pretty neat trick since there is nothing that needs to be installed on Windows, and since I was able to copy and delete files on Android just as if they were already mounted on Windows. https://s24.postimg.org/6h3u41e8x/mnd8.jpg So that makes the solutions to test the following (best to worst): 1. Native Wi-Fi Direct on Android. Native file sharing on WinXP. 2. SMB/CIFS client on Android. Native file sharing on WinXP. 3a. FTP server on Android. Native Map Network Drive on WinXP. 3b. FTP server on Android. Graphical FTP client on WinXP. 4. HTTP server on Android. Native web browser on WinXP. I need help on method #1 & #2 syntax (method #3a,b & #4 are working ok). |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:19:09 +0000, David Taylor
wrote: ... or just type FTP://address in Explorer. I always wonder when people say "explorer" whether they mean Windows Explorer or Windows Internet Explorer. Nonetheless, I think you meant Windows Explorer, where I typed the following to get a web page to my FTP server on Android: Start Run ftp://192.168.1.5:12345 https://s28.postimg.org/h501uzbwt/startrunftp.jpg But if I can get this the Microsoft Windows "net use" syntax to work, it would be even better because that brings up the real Windows Explorer with your Android phone showing up as just another directory in Windows. The problem is that I don't see a "port" syntax in the description. https://www.microsoft.com/resources/....mspx?mfr=true I've tried these so far, but they don't do anything yet. net use z: \\192.168.1.5:12345 /user:anonymous\anonymous /persistent:yes net use z: \\192.168.1.5:12345 /savecred /persistent:yes Does anyone know how to make "net use" connect to an anonymous FTP server on your phone? |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 03:18:26 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider
wrote: Do any of you have a simple WiFi copy method from Windows XP to Android? Since multiple HTTP, FTP, and "Map Network Drive" methods worked, the problem can't be my network so it must be the syntax I'm using. These all work: * Map Network Drive: https://s7.postimg.org/clnkswjd7/mapnetworkdrive.jpg * FTP Server: https://s28.postimg.org/h501uzbwt/startrunftp.jpg * HTTP Server: https://s11.postimg.org/73978bgdv/httpserver.jpg Yet, neither ES File Explorer nor WiFi Direct nor AndSMB work yet. Based on a suggestion from the Win10 group, I installed Total Commander: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...TotalCommander Opening Total Commander, it's not obvious where to enter the SMB/CIFS options as there is no "network" button in sight. Googling, there seems to be a "LAN plugin for Total Commander" https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....tcplugins.LAN Now when I open Total Commander, a line for "LAN (Windows shares)" shows. * New Server = I typed 192.168.1.10 * Server name/directory = I typed 192.168.1.10/smb I was guessing at the syntax because it doesn't indicate which way the slashes go nor what the "directory" name is supposed to indicate but this created a line called "192.168.1.10". But when I tapped on that new line, up came the error: LAN Error connecting to server! Reported error: Failed to connect: HOME00/192.168.1.10/smb/ OK What I need is a syntax example from someone who has it working so that I can basically copy what works from them. How is your syntax? Does anyone on this ng have SMB/CIFS working on Windows with Android? |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Androidover WiFi?
On 2017-03-21 05:17, Jonas Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 00:55:17 +0100, "Carlos E. R." wrote: Well, because it can't be just a plain web server in Android. It needs to have, er, a special page so that you can upload files. Same way as when you upload a photo to some site. I understand what you're saying so thank you for clarifying. What that means is that a web server on Android is out of the question. But you do not have to create any page. You just need to install some specific app on Android that works that way, transparently to you. Airdroid is one that does it that way, but it is not the only one. I think that MyPhoneExplorer is another, but I'm unsure. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Androidover WiFi?
On 2017-03-21 05:17, Jonas Schneider wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 01:00:48 +0100, "Carlos E. R." wrote: AirDroid, for instance, goes both directions. On WinXP, with both the Android phone and the WinXP computer attached to the same network, I created a directory c:\tmp\smb and right clicked it and shared it as "smb". Then I installed AirDroid on Android. Running AirDroid, there were a few help screens, and then a mandatory "sign in later" button. At that point there were only three options: 1. AirDroid Web - requires sign in which isn't what we asked for 2. My computer - requires sign in which isn't what we asked for 3. Add device - requires sign in which isn't what we asked for So I uninstalled AirDroid as a dismal flop because it didn't meet the initial requirements. http://forum.airdroid.com/discussion...out-an-account Apparently registration is not an absolute requirement. Anyway, I mentioned airdroid but said there are other tools that work similarly. Reading from my notes, MyPhoneExplorer works using USB cable or WiFi. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Androidover WiFi?
On 2017-03-21 16:59, Jonas Schneider wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:53:55 -0400, Big Al wrote: This suggests WiFi File Transfer but there are lots of apps with that name https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...fer&hl=en _GB This is the version I use. Simple. Does it via a web page on your PC. Turn on the app on the phone, and the phone becomes a web server of sorts and the screen supplies you with the IP address to put in the PC's web browser. From there is point and click upload and download like any other web site. Thanks for the pointer to the better "WiFi File Transfer" application which was the one from SmarterDroid. .... So, this method using basically an http server on Android worked to transfer files from Windows XP to Android, but, truth be told, a web browser (especially one limited arbitrarily to 5MB per file) is a terrible way to transfer files. Well, it is a good and simple way to transfer a few files quickly. You did not say how many files you needed to transfer :-p However, what's really nice about this method is that it does not require ANYTHING to be installed on Windows (since browsers are already there). But there are other methods which don't require anything to be installed on Windows which are far better than a web page (which is just about the worst way possible to transfer files. 1. The best way is SMB, but the syntax requires a learning curve. 2. The second-best way is FTP, which worked just fine in my tests. 3. The worst way is HTTP, which worked fine & requires no learning curve. I use SCP, but it is terribly slow. However, traffic is encrypted, so it is best for use over internet. My preferred method is USB cable, seems to work the fastest of any other for big files. No need to install anything anywhere. SMB or FTP I have not tried with Android. MyPhoneExplorer is another method, very powerful. It needs a client app in Android, and an application in Windows. I personally do not like it because I don't use Windows. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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What do you use to copy text files from Windows XP to Android over WiFi?
On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:45:10 +0000 (UTC), Jonas Schneider wrote:
... FileZilla 3.25.1_win32 requires as a minimum Windows Vista ... What I'm using is old FileZilla 3.0.11.1 -- on both an XP system (where it installed w/ no complaints) and a Vista system. You ought to be able to locate a downloadable copy of that from one of the Old Apps archives or perhaps through the agency of the WayBack Machine (at archive.org). The Portable Apps folks might have that on offer, too. HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. |
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