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Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski?
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Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Do unto others, then run like hell. |
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On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". You are being a bit selective. By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are abysmal. A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything from India? Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their father's property and to only have half a brain and if they get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan lately? Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia. Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one of them. |
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote:
On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote: Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". You are being a bit selective. By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are abysmal. A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything from India? Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their father's property and to only have half a brain and if they get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan lately? Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia. Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one of them. With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities. Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different considerations. |
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On 12/03/2017 03:07 AM, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote: On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote: Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". You are being a bit selective. By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are abysmal. A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything from India? Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their father's property and to only have half a brain and if they get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan lately? Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia. Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one of them. With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities. Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different considerations. Here is Kaspersky's statement: https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/pres...n-july-11-2017 And an interview with Eugene Kaspersky: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41262049 If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India or China. |
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:34:23 -0800, T wrote:
On 12/03/2017 03:07 AM, Scott wrote: On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 02:35:55 -0800, T wrote: On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote: Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". You are being a bit selective. By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are abysmal. A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything from India? Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their father's property and to only have half a brain and if they get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan lately? Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia. Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one of them. With respect, I think you are perhaps missing the point here. The issue is not disapproval of Russia per se but the security implications of allowing data to be transferred to Russia if as is claimed the Russian state is involved in espionage activities. Both important human rights issues of course, but entirely different considerations. Here is Kaspersky's statement: https://usa.kaspersky.com/about/pres...n-july-11-2017 And an interview with Eugene Kaspersky: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41262049 Does a statement by a citizen act as a guarantee against interference by the Russian State? If you are worried a espionage, don't use anything from India or China. I assume you mean anything IT related. |
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On 12/03/2017 02:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote: Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". You are being a bit selective. By chance to you purchase anything from China? Their human right are abysmal. Within their own borders, yes. Try being black, Mexican or Muslim in America. A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything from India? Buying something Indian (spices and cheap clothes - can't think of anything else) poses no security risk to me or the rest of the world. Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their father's property and to only have half a brain and if they get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan lately? I have not had my security compromised by a cheap T-shirt so far, and think my Y-fronts are fairly safe (from the cyber-espionage point of view, anyway). Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia. Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one of them. And purportedly meddled in the US elections to favour a candidate that favours them. There is something about the sheer dictatorial arrogance and ruthlessness of Putin that makes me more suspicious of Russia than China or anywhere else with a cyber-security influence - which was the only thing being discussed here. For just a few of many example - the way he has invaded the Crimea and annexed Ukrainian territory and got away with it, interfered in Syria to support a chemical-warfare-using dictator and got away with it and murdered his enemies on British soil and got away with it that makes me mistrust anything vaguely to do with Russia. China at least contributes a great deal to the world's economic setup and hasn't invaded anyone since Tibet a long time ago. Russia contributes nothing to the rest of the world except by using its gas supplies to politically manipulate those it can't get away with invading. Whilst they are not the only ones with a cyber-warfare capability they are way, way up at the top of my list of people likely to have a backdoor in an Antivirus program. However, as I said, I'd like some proof either way. An assurance from someone who makes a profit from selling the product, whilst probably correct, goes nowhere to convincing me. An American product from Microsoft, albeit known to be marginally less effective at catching viruses, appeals to me more - even with Trump in charge we have more in common. If someone is going to nick my data, I'd rather it was the Pentagon. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Yes, a second honeymoon would be a good idea, dear. With whom? |
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On 12/03/2017 03:26 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
T wrote: Within their own borders, yes. Try being black, Mexican or Muslim in America. That would explain why they are better off in America than any other country int he worlds. Hmmmm. A lot of AV companies code in India. You know, the country who nationals call Americans on the phone claiming to be from M$ and attempting to steel credit card numbers? Do you buy anything from India? Buying something Indian (spices and cheap clothes - can't think of anything else) poses no security risk to me or the rest of the world. Not my point Most software these days comes from Indian programmers. Do you buy anything from Muslim counties where girls are sold by their fathers at age nine and are considered their father's property and to only have half a brain and if they get raped it is their fault and husbands are allow to beat their wives and have sex slaves? Buy any textiles from Pakistan lately? I have not had my security compromised by a cheap T-shirt so far, and think my Y-fronts are fairly safe (from the cyber-espionage point of view, anyway). Do their sales fund any terrorist groups? Yes I know, Russia bribed one of our presidential candidates into sell a YUGE amount of our uranium right to Russia. Russia is not without its issues. Kaspersky is not one of them. And purportedly meddled in the US elections to favour a candidate that favours them. That is a total crock of manure. It was made up by one of the loser campaign staff as part of their dirty tricks campaign against the winner. There is something about the sheer dictatorial arrogance and ruthlessness of Putin that makes me more suspicious of Russia than China or anywhere else with a cyber-security influence - which was the only thing being discussed here. For just a few of many example - the way he has invaded the Crimea and annexed Ukrainian territory and got away with it, interfered in Syria to support a chemical-warfare-using dictator and got away with it and murdered his enemies on British soil and got away with it that makes me mistrust anything vaguely to do with Russia. China at least contributes a great deal to the world's economic setup and hasn't invaded anyone since Tibet a long time ago. Russia contributes nothing to the rest of the world except by using its gas supplies to politically manipulate those it can't get away with invading. Read your history. Crimea was always Russian. That does not give them liberty in the Ukraine though, especially after the forced famine during the Soviet Empire that killed so many millions of Ukrainians. Putin has announced that he is pulling his troops out of Syria. And it is extremely hard to tell who did what to whom in that part of the world. An enemy of my enemy is my friend and that will change tomorrow. I have heard that the origin of the chemical attacks have been called into question too. Russia has its problems. Kaspersky is not one of them. Both Trump and Putin have stated that they want better relations with each other. I think that is a win win all around. Starting another cold war is stupid. China is in a full scale cyber war with America. You sure your Chinese computer is safe? And by the way, Trump did not pay Russian hooker to pee on Russian hotel beds. That is the losers dirty tricks campaign again. Whilst they are not the only ones with a cyber-warfare capability they are way, way up at the top of my list of people likely to have a backdoor in an Antivirus program. However, as I said, I'd like some proof either way. An assurance from someone who makes a profit from selling the product, whilst probably correct, goes nowhere to convincing me. An American product from Microsoft, albeit known to be marginally less effective at catching viruses, appeals to me more - even with Trump in charge we have more in common. If someone is going to nick my data, I'd rather it was the Pentagon. Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us. Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way. |
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Well, from a Beef Eater, that is a nice thing to say about us. Thank you. It would be Langley doing the nicking by the way. I live just a couple of miles from GCHQ in the UK, so I can drop my own data in - just as if they'd be interested in me. :-) -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Inside every old man is a young man wondering what the hell happened. |
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On 03/12/2017 10:16, Bob Henson wrote:
Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? It would be nice to have something other than rumour and innuendo with which to make a decision. I've taken it off my system, but I'm not convinced that there is a deal of fact in the stories. That being the case, why did I do it? I based the decision on the probability of anything emanating from Russia *not* being used for nefarious purposes by the ruling dictator and his cronies - as this is very unlikely I thought it might be "better safe than sorry". Look the people who made the announcement are top notch researchers working for the security services in United Kingdom and United states. they can't give you any further info about how they came to this decision because they don't want their enemies to know what evidence they have and what tools they used to prove this. YOU DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR SECRETES. -- With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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On 12/03/2017 02:04 AM, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? I sell it and recommend it. I think it is the best one out there. Home support is outsources and isn't very good. Business support is good. It is the only AV you should use for a Windows based Point of Sale system taking credit cards If you need to figure out who does the best job, go to av-comparatives.org and look over about six months of their reports. See who is consistent. If you are worried about them being Russia, don't. All the fur that has been flying is not their doing, but some rather nasty politics in this country. They just got caught in the middle because they are Russian. Like ALL other AV companies, they do ask for your permission (Kaspersky Network) to analyze certain infected files. I just decline. Some idiot in government security opted in and got some of his classified docs sent to Kaspersky. Kaspersky immediately shredded them and informed the sender. And there is an exploit claiming to be Kaspersky out there. It may be our own NSA. But who knows. It isn't Kaspersky. |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote:
Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? Barclays are now not offering free Kasperski anti-virus stuff to customers and GCHQ are apparently recommending not to use it for sensitive PCs. Steer clear, and avoid these Chinese routers (Huawei) while you're about it. |
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 11:58:40 +0000, mechanic
wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? Barclays are now not offering free Kasperski anti-virus stuff to customers and GCHQ are apparently recommending not to use it for sensitive PCs. Indeed, this is what prompted my question. Neither, I believe, is at this stage advising against for routine, non-sensitive applications. Steer clear, and avoid these Chinese routers (Huawei) while you're about it. I have discovered that my Norton subscription covers three devices so it seems to me that replacing Kasperski with Norton on my mobile phone is now a 'no brainer'. |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott
wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? The US government is being overly caucus. They have a right to do that. Never know what the ruskies will do. They are the enemy ! KenW |
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 05:43:27 -0700, KenW
wrote: On Sun, 03 Dec 2017 10:04:46 +0000, Scott wrote: Any views on the wisdom or otherwise of continued use of Kasperski? The US government is being overly caucus. They have a right to do that. Never know what the ruskies will do. They are the enemy ! KenW Comrade Trump urges you to use Kasperksi! Putin told him there was no problem with Kasperski so it must be ok. Kasperski is the most beautiful anti virus! |
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