Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Doomsdrzej wrote:

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to
anti-Linux trolling.

The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect
and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain
nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do,
it's mostly just a matter of personal pride.

I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that
constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in
that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to
behead the person who speaks it.

Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux
for 5 years now.

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ooze has brought this to us :
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv
wrote:
Doomsdrzej wrote:
Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually get
you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly
basis.
As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to anti-Linux
trolling.
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect
and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain
nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do,
it's mostly just a matter of personal pride. I'll be honest with you
though: I don't like any of the operating systems on the market more
than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack of customization bother me as
well as their insistence on essentially slowing down the operating
system to help manufacturers sell more computers and processors. Linux
is better in that respect despite the many bugs but it's the attitude of
the people using it that constantly alienates me. You people are like
fanatical Muslims in that any word critical of your operating system is
reason enough to behead the person who speaks it.

Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux for
5 years now.

can't you tell that he wants to talk about his delusions of teh muslim brotherhood hiding behind every lamppost with beheading swords and -not- debian linux?

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On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who
annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS.

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:16:07 -0700, Mike Easter
wrote:

Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars. Personally I
got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars.

Same here. Amiga won. Right? ;-)

In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

no it definitely does not.

most hardware vendors don't bother writing linux drivers. the market is
much too small to be worth the resources needed.

most software developers don't bother writing a linux version. the
market much is too small to be worth the resources needed.

lately, the focus is ios and android. there may not even be a mac or
windows version, never mind linux.

On 6/1/18 11:02 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Which is great -- and it does for many. Curious: what type work do you
do with it?

I might be more willing to move to Linux if I was, for example, a
programmer. I do a fair amount of work with images and videos (mostly
screencasting and other educational videos). For the work I do Linux is
not as good of a fit.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

Sure.

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who
annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS.



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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:36:04 -0500, Anonymous
wrote:

ooze has brought this to us :
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Doomsdrzej wrote:

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to
anti-Linux trolling.

The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect
and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain
nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do,
it's mostly just a matter of personal pride.

I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that
constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in
that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to
behead the person who speaks it.

Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux
for 5 years now.

- Using Nouveau in Debian prevents wake from sleep or returns a screen
with corrupted graphics.

This is where you call me a liar because it works fine for you... blah
blah blah.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is
already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would
find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual
configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the
system.

alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who
annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 13:14:23 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:16:07 -0700, Mike Easter
wrote:

Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars. Personally I
got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars.

Same here. Amiga won. Right? ;-)

It's a shame that they spent so much time trying to outdo one another
that they never noticed the PC improving and suddenly becoming a more
interesting purchase. Both companies also didn't seem to understand
the desire for upgradeability in continuing to produce mostly closed
packages.

On 6/1/18 2:14 PM, oOze wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is
already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would
find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual
configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the
system.

I tend to focus on UI issues. I think Linux offers an amazing
environment for developers and users to play around with different
ideas. There are UI concepts on desktop Linux which you cannot really
get elsewhe things like having a window with multiple tabs where each
tab can be a different program. With macOS most programs have multiple
tab support (where it makes sense at least) but you cannot mix and match.

Lots of other examples.


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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

In article
Snit wrote:

On 6/1/18 2:14 PM, oOze wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is
already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would
find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual
configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the
system.

I tend to focus on UI issues. I think Linux offers an amazing
environment for developers and users to play around with different
ideas. There are UI concepts on desktop Linux which you cannot really
get elsewhe things like having a window with multiple tabs where each
tab can be a different program. With macOS most programs have multiple
tab support (where it makes sense at least) but you cannot mix and match.

Lots of other examples.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 8:16 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
ooze wrote:
I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly
alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars.* Personally I
got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars.

Many many people use both Win and linux for one thing and another; and
Chrome OS and/or android for another thing or other.

There is more than one tool in the box.

Exactly. I use macOS, Linux, and Windows. I use Android and iOS.

Use what you like.

Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas.
However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like
64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to
privacy, bugs, design issues, etc.
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On 6/1/18 2:59 PM, Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 8:16 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
ooze wrote:
I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly
alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars.Â* Personally I
got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars.

Many many people use both Win and linux for one thing and another; and
Chrome OS and/or android for another thing or other.

There is more than one tool in the box.

Exactly. I use macOS, Linux, and Windows. I use Android and iOS.

Use what you like.

Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas.

Exactly. And people have different needs and tastes. I have a hard time
understanding the religious devotion many have to an OS or environment.

However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like
64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to
privacy, bugs, design issues, etc.

While I get the concern for privacy I tend to focus more on ease of use
and like using newer OSs. I suppose that is odd given how I tend to use
older hardware.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

In article
oOze wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:36:04 -0500, Anonymous
wrote:

ooze has brought this to us :
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Doomsdrzej wrote:

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to
anti-Linux trolling.

The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect
and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain
nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do,
it's mostly just a matter of personal pride.

I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that
constantly alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in
that any word critical of your operating system is reason enough to
behead the person who speaks it.

Name the bugs. I have not had a single problem with Debian Linux
for 5 years now.

- Using Nouveau in Debian prevents wake from sleep or returns a screen
with corrupted graphics.

This is where you call me a liar because it works fine for you... blah
blah blah.

On 2018-06-01, Snit wrote:
Which is great -- and it does for many. Curious: what type work do you
do with it?

I do a lot of system and network management work, mainly with
internet-based servers (web servers, mail servers, etc.). Used to do
software development years ago, but transitioned to sysadmin type work.
In some cases I do build software from source (Makefiles are still
in use, and still look like bursts of line noise inside!), even make
modifications, but I don't get involved in major development projects
any more.

I'm very familiar with the tools available on Linux for doing system
administration and network management tasks, many of which are descendents
of ancient Unix programs. (I can actually use my circa 1981 Unix BSD
4.1 manual as a guide to many of the common programs still in use. In
a lot of cases all that has changed is adding new command-line options.
Scripts I wrote decades ago still work with minor tweaking to accomodate
new versions of utility programs.)

I do some work with Windows servers and workstations as well, which
is why I subscribe to some Windows newsgroups.

I might be more willing to move to Linux if I was, for example, a
programmer. I do a fair amount of work with images and videos (mostly
screencasting and other educational videos). For the work I do Linux is
not as good of a fit.

As far as I know there are no professional-quality video or photo/graphics
editing tools for Linux that you can buy. So Windows or OS-X are going
to be the best platforms for that. The GIMP is good enough for my own
minimal photo editing needs, the simple Openshot editor for video. On the
other hand, ffmpeg is like a Swiss army knife for doing media conversion,
and is even used under the hood by a lot of Windows-based conversion
software.

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