Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

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(Ant) wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 8:16 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
ooze wrote:
I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly
alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars. Personally I
got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars.

Many many people use both Win and linux for one thing and another; and
Chrome OS and/or android for another thing or other.

There is more than one tool in the box.

Exactly. I use macOS, Linux, and Windows. I use Android and iOS.

Use what you like.

Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas.
However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like
64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to
privacy, bugs, design issues, etc.
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"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:40:22 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

Doomsdrzej explained :
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 05:53:42 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

https://betanews.com/2018/05/31/consumer-privacy-concerns/

When it comes to android apps, just get a firewall and block the
apps wifi and cell access. I personally use NoRoot Firewall

Why not do it correctly and just remove the appropriate app
permissions...?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hirts.firewall

You can easily block each app individually. The only thing is,
you have stop the firewall to download something from the google
store or use a browser. Then just restart it.

Riiight. That's linux thinking right there. Don't fix it -
block it and screw up everything while wasting CPU cycles and
battery.

SMH.

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

Patently ridiculous statement. He obviously doesn't even have a
driver's license. You have to have a Class A driver's license anyway
to drive heavy wehicles over 10.5 tons. He has apparenyly at one time
tried to drive a Linux, but couldn't even get it into first gear. He
filled the fuel tanks with gasoline also, not knowing it runs on
diesel. This caused him to immediately give up on Linux and crawl
back to Windows.

What a stupid analogy.

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In article , Snit
wrote:

I'll stick to the one 90% of the population uses. More programs available

yep

(no I won't say "apps", those are for phones),

app is short for application, a term that dates back at least to the
80s, probably even earlier

Right. It is the term Apple has used since AT LEAST the start of the Mac.

it wasn't just apple and it did predate the mac.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 00:19:32 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

In article
"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 14:40:22 +0100, Anonymous wrote:

Doomsdrzej explained :
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 05:53:42 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
wrote:

In article
Anonymous wrote:

https://betanews.com/2018/05/31/consumer-privacy-concerns/

When it comes to android apps, just get a firewall and block the
apps wifi and cell access. I personally use NoRoot Firewall

Why not do it correctly and just remove the appropriate app
permissions...?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hirts.firewall

You can easily block each app individually. The only thing is,
you have stop the firewall to download something from the google
store or use a browser. Then just restart it.

Riiight. That's linux thinking right there. Don't fix it -
block it and screw up everything while wasting CPU cycles and
battery.

SMH.

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

Patently ridiculous statement. He obviously doesn't even have a
driver's license. You have to have a Class A driver's license anyway
to drive heavy wehicles over 10.5 tons. He has apparenyly at one time
tried to drive a Linux, but couldn't even get it into first gear. He
filled the fuel tanks with gasoline also, not knowing it runs on
diesel. This caused him to immediately give up on Linux and crawl
back to Windows.

What a stupid analogy.

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On 6/1/18 4:24 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I'll stick to the one 90% of the population uses. More programs available

yep

(no I won't say "apps", those are for phones),

app is short for application, a term that dates back at least to the
80s, probably even earlier

Right. It is the term Apple has used since AT LEAST the start of the Mac.

it wasn't just apple and it did predate the mac.

Fair enough.

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Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

no it definitely does not.

Just don't bother to tell us that you can't read. Because that is way beyond
your capabilities

most hardware vendors don't bother writing linux drivers. the market is
much too small to be worth the resources needed.

most software developers don't bother writing a linux version. the
market much is too small to be worth the resources needed.

lately, the focus is ios and android. there may not even be a mac or
windows version, never mind linux.

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Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-06-01, Snit wrote:
Which is great -- and it does for many. Curious: what type work do you
do with it?

I do a lot of system and network management work, mainly with
internet-based servers (web servers, mail servers, etc.). Used to do
software development years ago, but transitioned to sysadmin type work.
In some cases I do build software from source (Makefiles are still
in use, and still look like bursts of line noise inside!), even make
modifications, but I don't get involved in major development projects
any more.

I'm very familiar with the tools available on Linux for doing system
administration and network management tasks, many of which are descendents
of ancient Unix programs. (I can actually use my circa 1981 Unix BSD
4.1 manual as a guide to many of the common programs still in use. In
a lot of cases all that has changed is adding new command-line options.
Scripts I wrote decades ago still work with minor tweaking to accomodate
new versions of utility programs.)

I do some work with Windows servers and workstations as well, which
is why I subscribe to some Windows newsgroups.

I might be more willing to move to Linux if I was, for example, a
programmer. I do a fair amount of work with images and videos (mostly
screencasting and other educational videos). For the work I do Linux is
not as good of a fit.

As far as I know there are no professional-quality video or photo/graphics
editing tools for Linux that you can buy. So Windows or OS-X are going
to be the best platforms for that. The GIMP is good enough for my own
minimal photo editing needs, the simple Openshot editor for video. On the
other hand, ffmpeg is like a Swiss army knife for doing media conversion,
and is even used under the hood by a lot of Windows-based conversion
software.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 2:59 PM, Ant wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 8:16 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
ooze wrote:
I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly
alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Some people obsess on 'my OS is better than your OS' wars.* Personally I
got over that after the Atari ST vs Amiga wars.

Many many people use both Win and linux for one thing and another; and
Chrome OS and/or android for another thing or other.

There is more than one tool in the box.

Exactly. I use macOS, Linux, and Windows. I use Android and iOS.

Use what you like.

Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas.

Exactly. And people have different needs and tastes. I have a hard time
understanding the religious devotion many have to an OS or environment.

I use Windows more than Mac OS and Linux, but I still use them almost daily.


However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like
64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to
privacy, bugs, design issues, etc.

While I get the concern for privacy I tend to focus more on ease of use
and like using newer OSs. I suppose that is odd given how I tend to use
older hardware.

I also use old hardwares that work fine like two decade old custom built
desktop PCs. It's not just computers too!

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Melzzzzz wrote:

On 2018-06-01, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

no it definitely does not.

Just don't bother to tell us that you can't read. Because that is way beyond
your capabilities

Good luck in booting BSDs on recent hardware



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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 19:02:38 +0100, Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

Er no. Windows 10 installs on any computer with any hardware and just works.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

The only thing I can think of that ****es me off about Windows 10 is rebooting without my permission after installing an update, so I simply switched updates off. I install them once a month when I'm not in the middle of several things. Rebooting is not something to be done while I'm asleep!!!

alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Well, I do believe that I should be permitted to behead anyone who
annoys me but that is not tied to any particular OS.

I agree completely with that statement. If I could get away with it, I'd kill many many people. The day they invent the zat gun like in Stargate, loads of you are going to disappear.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:14:16 +0100, oOze wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:02:38 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-06-01, ooze wrote:
The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991.

I suppose it depends on the use case. I've been using Linux as my primary
desktop and server OS since the late 1990s. Early on there was a lot of
manual setup and maintenance needed but for a long time now it's pretty
much "just worked" for me.

Doesn't mean it will "just work" for you or anyone else of course. For
example, I have no need of any of the Microsoft Office programs. I've
been working in the computer industry for over 40 years and have yet
to use Word or Excel for anything. They're just not on my radar. (It
also depends on what you are accustomed to working with. For me Linux
is a natural because I've been working with various Unix and Unix-like
systems since the 1970s.)

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

All current OSes suck, some just suck more or less at particular tasks.
If I had my way I'd prefer to be on TOPS-20.

Very reasonable answer. For sure, I can imagine why someone who is
already used to UNIX and likely developing software regularly would
find Linux appealing. Those people are comfortable with manual
configuration and don't let it affect their appreciation for the
system.

Meanwhile normal people don't want to have to **** about with stuff to make it work.

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and there was light, and he saw that it was good and of constant speed.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Anonymous wrote:

Ditto. I like having various because each one has their strong and weak areas.
However, I noticed the modern OSes aren't great so I use older ones like
64-bit W7, Debian's old and current stable, etc. since I want stability due to
privacy, bugs, design issues, etc.

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Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly
basis.

Sounds to me like a distro problem not a kernel problem. What are you
on? Ubuntu? Try a professional distro like Devuan. I personally really
like Gentoo, however you have to know what you are doing to use Gentoo.


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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:40:22 -0500
Anonymous wrote:

Doomsdrzej explained :
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 05:53:42 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
wrote:

In article
Anonymous wrote:

https://betanews.com/2018/05/31/consumer-privacy-concerns/

When it comes to android apps, just get a firewall and block
the apps wifi and cell access. I personally use NoRoot Firewall

Why not do it correctly and just remove the appropriate app
permissions...?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hirts.firewall

You can easily block each app individually. The only thing is,
you have stop the firewall to download something from the google
store or use a browser. Then just restart it.

Riiight. That's linux thinking right there. Don't fix it -
block it and screw up everything while wasting CPU cycles and
battery.

SMH.

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

Patently ridiculous statement. He obviously doesn't even have a
driver's license. You have to have a Class A driver's license anyway
to drive heavy wehicles over 10.5 tons. He has apparenyly at one
time tried to drive a Linux, but couldn't even get it into first
gear. He filled the fuel tanks with gasoline also, not knowing it
runs on diesel. This caused him to immediately give up on Linux and
crawl back to Windows.

Well said

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:12:33 -0400
ooze wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 08:23:54 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Doomsdrzej wrote:

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a
monthly basis.

As regular as the moon changing phases, "Slimer" is back to
anti-Linux trolling.

The only way that I could disregard Linux's constant need for
maintenance because of dependency issues or poorly-applied updates is
if I consumed the steady supply of delusion its developers have been
feeding you since 1991. Whether you like it or not, it's not perfect
and will likely never be perfect since many of its developers gain
nothing from optimizing, securing or cleaning its code. When they do,
it's mostly just a matter of personal pride.

I'll be honest with you though: I don't like any of the operating
systems on the market more than I do Linux. Windows and Mac OS' lack
of customization bother me as well as their insistence on essentially
slowing down the operating system to help manufacturers sell more
computers and processors. Linux is better in that respect despite the
many bugs but it's the attitude of the people using it that constantly
alienates me. You people are like fanatical Muslims in that any word
critical of your operating system is reason enough to behead the
person who speaks it.

Ok yeah, those are definitely not Linux issues but distribution issues.
Linux does not have dependency issues because it does not have
dependencies. As well as updates as it does not have an automatic
updater. Those are things provided by the operating system not the
kernel. Switch distros to something like Devuan or Debian if you are
having those problems.

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