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On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Er no. Windows 10 installs on any computer with any hardware and just works.

I was comparing BSD driver support to Linux, not Windows - and I have seen
machines where Windows 10 does not have built in drivers for all the hardware.

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On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Meanwhile normal people don't want to have to **** about with stuff to make it work.

Given the number of support calls I get for all the OSes that I deal with
I'd say people who don't want to do that should stick with a typewriter.
(Ever there they keys may jam up sometimes.)

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On 6/1/18 6:18 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Meanwhile normal people don't want to have to **** about with stuff to make it work.

Given the number of support calls I get for all the OSes that I deal with
I'd say people who don't want to do that should stick with a typewriter.
(Ever there they keys may jam up sometimes.)

When tools are made for the common user they should be made to be as
easy to use as reasonably possible.

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tom wrote:

Linux, to me, is basically like a used Pontiac which might actually
get you from point A to point B, but requires to be fixed on a monthly
basis.

Sounds to me like a distro problem not a kernel problem. What are you
on? Ubuntu? Try a professional distro like Devuan. I personally really
like Gentoo, however you have to know what you are doing to use Gentoo.


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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:44:24 GMT, Melzzzzz wrote:

On 2018-06-01, Snit wrote:
On 6/1/18 3:21 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On 2018-06-01, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

The BSDs have much to recommend them but Linux tends to have better
hardware and application support.

no it definitely does not.

Just don't bother to tell us that you can't read. Because that is way beyond
your capabilities

Good luck in booting BSDs on recent hardware

Well, a derivation of it does... macOS.


macOS works only on Apple harwdware. No AMD.

I'm surprised Apple hasn't tried to purchase AMD to use them as a
exclusive source of processors for their computers. The fact that they
rely on Intel when they can easily produce their own is kind of
laughable. Besides, it would allow them to bundle a decent GPU with
their offerings for once.

In article , oOze
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I'm surprised Apple hasn't tried to purchase AMD to use them as a
exclusive source of processors for their computers.

no point in that

The fact that they
rely on Intel when they can easily produce their own is kind of
laughable.

not at all. intel is dominant and makes chips far more suitable for
macs than amd, namely for portables.

they design their own processors ios devices and it's *highly* expected
that they will do the same for macs at some point.

Besides, it would allow them to bundle a decent GPU with
their offerings for once.

they have used both amd and nvidia gpus.

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Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-06-02, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Er no. Windows 10 installs on any computer with any hardware and just works.

I was comparing BSD driver support to Linux, not Windows - and I have seen
machines where Windows 10 does not have built in drivers for all the hardware.

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On 2018-06-02, Snit wrote:
When tools are made for the common user they should be made to be as
easy to use as reasonably possible.

Indeed. Probably the easiest to use PC I've seen for a completely
non-technical end user is an elderly neighbor's senior-oriented system.
(I forget the brand name.) Extremely user-friendly. It runs a Linux
operating system with a user interface customized by the manufacturer.

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On 6/1/18 8:14 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Snit wrote:
When tools are made for the common user they should be made to be as
easy to use as reasonably possible.

Indeed. Probably the easiest to use PC I've seen for a completely
non-technical end user is an elderly neighbor's senior-oriented system.
(I forget the brand name.) Extremely user-friendly. It runs a Linux
operating system with a user interface customized by the manufacturer.

Would love to see it.

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On 2018-06-02, Snit wrote:
Would love to see it.

A web search on "senior computer" picked it up:

https://www.mywowcomputer.com/

The thing is very overpriced for the hardware you get, but it is
exceptionally simple to use. You're basically paying for the user
interface. Kind of what like Apple does with OS-X, another company
that managed to tame Unix and make it palatable to the average person,
but you need to buy overpriced hardware to run it. (Aside from hacked-up
versions that may run on commodity hardware.)

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On 6/1/18 8:39 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-06-02, Snit wrote:
Would love to see it.

A web search on "senior computer" picked it up:

https://www.mywowcomputer.com/

The thing is very overpriced for the hardware you get, but it is
exceptionally simple to use. You're basically paying for the user
interface. Kind of what like Apple does with OS-X, another company
that managed to tame Unix and make it palatable to the average person,
but you need to buy overpriced hardware to run it. (Aside from hacked-up
versions that may run on commodity hardware.)

Would love to see that in action. I spent some time setting up newbies
and seniors with Ubuntu (and later Mint) and it did not go as well as I
had hoped.

Did a quick search for it and found a review:

https://youtu.be/NWz-QuAhaII

I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to
install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a
lot of the people I have worked with.


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In article , Snit
wrote:


I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to
install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a
lot of the people I have worked with.

get them a chromebook or an ipad.

In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

A web search on "senior computer" picked it up:

https://www.mywowcomputer.com/

The thing is very overpriced for the hardware you get, but it is
exceptionally simple to use. You're basically paying for the user
interface.

it's also exceptionally dumbed down, however, the target market aren't
power users.

Kind of what like Apple does with OS-X, another company
that managed to tame Unix and make it palatable to the average person,
but you need to buy overpriced hardware to run it.

it's nothing at all like os x, nor is the hardware overpriced.

On 6/1/18 9:01 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:


I can see some things which might be issues -- such as not being able to
install other program -- but overall I think this would be great for a
lot of the people I have worked with.

get them a chromebook or an ipad.

Have suggested both to people (though I do not know Chrome Books well
and let them know that).

I know the ChromeBook reviews well, but most of the folks I know who
have used them do not like them. Not sure why... I have not worked with
them enough to really say.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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