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  #271  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:00 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On 21/03/2018 08:08, HB wrote:

There are so many posts in this thread


Yes, too many perhaps, because even we are getting confused, so I hesitate
to reply further, however ...

... at least you've successfully got to a command prompt!


So bearing in mind that, in all the following, Return means press the
Return or Enter key, what happens when you type the following:


Here you go! I finally got this:

smartctl -a /dev/sda produced these on one long screen.

https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/
https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/03ec0845/
https://s26.postimg.org/84ihdfh8p/IM004777.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/hx3j203o9/IM004778.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/clomhapbd/IM004779.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj58s9/IM004780.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/v193epql5/IM004781.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj5gi1/IM004782.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/5igr1peqx/IM004783.jpg

Taken later:

https://s26.postimg.org/pk8ikr01l/IM004784.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/998eomigp/IM004786.jpg


1) Let's try Paul's, I think it was, command that you've already included
a photo of yourself trying to do ...
smartctl -a /dev/sdaReturn
... then if the smartctl program doesn't abort with an error because it
can't find the hard disk, which would show that it's dead, you could
continue as follows ...

2) See if we can list the hard disk partition(s):
fdisk /dev/sdaReturn
... then in the fdisk program ...
pReturn
... in other words press the P key followed by the Return key, which
should list the partition(s) on the hard disk ('P' stands for 'print'),
then ...
qReturn
... to quit back to the command prompt.


That command brought up advice and nothing about the drives, such as "Be
carful before using the write command." It says Command (m for help):

There is no fdisk program - what does it look like?

3) See if lilo is available, in case we need it to fix the MBR,


Nothing about ilio and I don't know where to add the P.


smartctl -a /dev/sda produced these on one long screen. This is all the info
I have on this PC through Linux.

https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/
https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/03ec0845/
https://s26.postimg.org/84ihdfh8p/IM004777.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/hx3j203o9/IM004778.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/clomhapbd/IM004779.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj58s9/IM004780.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/v193epql5/IM004781.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj5gi1/IM004782.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/5igr1peqx/IM004783.jpg

Taken later:

https://s26.postimg.org/pk8ikr01l/IM004784.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/998eomigp/IM004786.jpg



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  #272  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
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HB wrote:

Your Fatdog64 picture shows the drive having "sda1", which is
too few partitions for my liking, and implies a partition is
sick or has gone missing. My OEM laptop had three partitions
at least, before I messed with it.


You may find these helpful.

smartctl -a /dev/sda produced these on one long screen.

https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/
https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/03ec0845/
https://s26.postimg.org/84ihdfh8p/IM004777.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/hx3j203o9/IM004778.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/clomhapbd/IM004779.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj58s9/IM004780.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/v193epql5/IM004781.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj5gi1/IM004782.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/5igr1peqx/IM004783.jpg

Taken later:

https://s26.postimg.org/pk8ikr01l/IM004784.jpg
https://s26.postimg.org/998eomigp/IM004786.jpg


But the problem remains, that it's showing a
read error when probing near the file system
header of sda2. That's your C: drive.

You could attempt to do

disktype /dev/sda3

and get it to concentrate on looking at the third
partition. Only in the interest of seeing if that
partition is a bit more healthy.

The idea of doing it that way, is to prevent it
from "looking" at sda2. When you do it this
way, you're asking for it to examine all three
of them (sda1,sda2,sda3).

disktype /dev/sda

The only thing that matters now, is what you want
to do about it. Buy a new drive, reinstall Win7,
forget about the old drive contents. Or, try and
rescue what's on the old drive. I'm not getting
a strong feeling right now that the disk
content on the 250GB drive matters.

HTH,
Paul
  #273  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote in message
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HB wrote:

I've read what seems to be hundreds of pages and have not found the
answer to getting the Toshiba to boot.


This is true.
I hope you weren't expecting miracles.


I actually meant online, not here on the NG, though I tried to read every
post.

We go out of our way, to try not to destroy your
only chance to repair a computer.


I believe that, or wouldn't be here. :^)

When ever I'm involved in a computer issue, the
first thing I do, is a backup of the sick item.


No way to do that now with the Toshiba. There was nothing of real importance
on it. Anything important was backed up on a thumbdrive.

I'm not an IT guy or a Geek Squad guy.
A Geek Squad guy doesn't make a backup of your hard drive.
A Geek Squad guy just "goes for it". If CHKDSK trashes the
disk, he reinstalls the OS and charges you $200 and says
"Done". Professional repair people watch the clock. Their
flowchart for repair, is a lot more brutal than ours would
be.


Don't I know it. Plus they're well known for their coffee and men's room
breaks on your dime.

One objective of getting you a Win7 DVD disc, is to
reinstall the OS, if you cannot make a repair. So
there's always a final outcome of needing to reinstall.
But before throwing in the towel that way, it would
be good to know whether the hard drive is even
healthy enough to accept an installation. You might
get half way through and have it crash for example.


Let me mention that for some reason the Toshiba has always had a problem
being "slower" than normal for what's sold these days. That was why my aunt
gave it to us. It also took too much time to boot and shut down she said. I
had to agree with her. My two oldest avoided using it. She did have it
"repaired" somewhere up in TN before she moved but it didn't help. So into
the closet it went and she bought herself a new laptop. She offered it to
meon a visit and I took it. She had this sneaky and self satisfied look of
glee on her face as she handed it over.....

Small 2.5" hard drives are available for around $50-$60
or so, ....


Yep, I already checked. That's OK. I have a feeling the HD is the problem.
Either mechanical or the OS became corrupt somehow. Strangley enough she
booted just fine that evening and quit while running. I was on it, not one
of the kids. It was running when suddenly it made a kind of ticking sound
and the screen went black.
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  #274  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
Can you learn anything from these pics?


I have no experience looking at smartctl output from good disks or bad
ones. It seems like a good news/ bad news/ situation considering that
there is a line saying:

SMART overall-health self-assessment test results: PASSED

.... but we have all kinds of defective behavior showing up and the nice
simple Toshiba recovery wizard doesn't work (yet).

You don't have the Toshiba recovery disks which could have been made
back when Windows was operational, nor the optional Toshiba drivers
disks for your hardware which the intact install could've provided.

So, likely the best that you can do with what you have is to install
Win7 from available general media and/but I don't know your experience
with installing Windows and finding drivers for your hardware if it
doesn't happen 'automatically'.

You don't have experience using the tools which have been mentioned here
such as chkdsk using Windows tools, or testdisk using Win or linux
tools, or ddrescue using linux tools and you don't have enough
experience using linux to be comfortable pasting information from a
linux terminal into a linux news agent to make it easy to communicate
back and forth and progress and problems while working in linux.

Those who don't like the negative parts of the smartctl would rather see
a replacement hdd in there instead of striving to recover this hdd. I'm
the type who tries to hold onto old hardware too long.

But, you do have some very patient participants here who would like to help.


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  #275  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mike Easter" wrote in message
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Satellite C655D-S5063
https://support.toshiba.com/support/...743964&osId=31

User's Guide for Satellite C640/C650 Series

p.61 - Recovering to out-of-box state (recommended recovery method)

- connect to power source
- computer turned off
- turn on computer while holding the 0 (zero) key
- Tosh Recovery Wizard warning screen
- may have option to choose between 32 & 64 bit Win7


Tried that. All I get is a black screen with that loud very annoying noise.
The computer manufacturers never tell you what to do when their advice
doesn't work.
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  #276  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
It was running when suddenly it made a kind of ticking sound
and the screen went black.


Ewww.

Do you recall if that ticking sound resembled the sound you heard when
you attempted to get into the Toshiba recovery wizard with the zero key
power-up strategy?

Given what we see good about the hdd, I have to assume that you are
hearing something like hdd actuator hitting a stop or back into park
position because of a read error like a 'click of death' since a genuine
head crash would have much more catastrophic results.

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  #277  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote in message
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On 2018-03-19 02:47, HB wrote:

Linux can only run with the DVD in
the drive. When I removed the DVD, no more Linux. what does this tell
us?


However, your machine cannot find OS files on the HD.


Next steps:
a) See if Linux can find the HD. If so, the HD is OK, but (most likely)
the MBR is bad. A bad MBR can be fixed.
b) You need a Linux utility that can fix the MBR. My Linux expertise is
rusty, so I'll leave information about that to other people.


That would be great and thanks for all the info.
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  #278  
Old March 23rd 18, 06:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote in message
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Get a genuine Windows disk. Boot the pc with it. Delete and recreate any
partitions and then reinstall the OS. Note - what you now have will be
gone.


That doesn't matter. Nothing important is on it that wasn't saved in a
thumbdrive.

Also note - I have two older Dells will not install Win7 for some reason
(just reboots and starts over) but they do install XP with no problem.



  #279  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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I also have suspicion that the CMOS-battery might be the/a cause of
problem/s, it is thus that I searched on Google for how to replace said
CMOS-battery on the Toshiba laptop that I suspect that you have, I thus
came up with the below link that illustrates/explains how to replace the
CMOS-battery on said machine. Perhaps you would care to look there and
maybe verify if you think that it looks like your Toshiba.

http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptop...a-laptop-1.htm


I wouldn't try and attempt something like this unless I could watch someone
else do it. You literally have to almost dismantle the whole laptop to get
to it. But yes, that's the one I have.
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  #280  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote in message
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On 2018-03-17 09:08, HB wrote:
OK, then how will I know if the HD is toast if it boots the PC anyway?


Booting from a CD or USB thumb drive bypasses the HD. Once Linux Puppy is
up and running, you should see all the drives it can access.


If you don't see a something that looks like a hard drive icon for C:,
there may be a way to click through the menus to find it an "mount" it (=
make it visible and usable by Puppy). Someone familiar with Puppy should
be able to walk you through that.


I know nothing about Fatdog/Linux. I don't know where to find anything
there.

If you can mount the HD, it will show on the desktop as C: or Windows. It
can be fixed, but I don't know whether Puppy includes the tools to do
that. Otherwise, the HD is beyond fixing IMO.


Mount the HD?


You're learning a lot, eh? So am I, and I'm also being reminded of holes
in my memory. Old age is not for wussies. :-)


I guess you can say this is a learning experience. At least you're still
above ground. :^)
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  #281  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 17/03/2018 13:08, HB wrote:
Ashampoo doesn't have that choice. I downloaded ImgBurn but have not had
the
time to see how it works. It doesn't look easy and intuitive like the
other
burners I had.


I'm saving all this info. Thanks! Yep, I have the RW DVDs.


Ashampoo
Assuming that your 'Ashampoo' Window looks like this;

https://d22blwhp6neszm.cloudfront.ne..._6_FREE_EN.png

Then click on 'Create/Burn Disc Images'
Then navigate to where your ISO (image) file is located.

-----------------

ImgBurn
Assuming that your 'ImgBurn' Window looks like this;

http://i1-win.softpedia-static.com/s.../ImgBurn_1.png

Then click on 'Write image file to disc'
Then navigate to where your ISO (image) file is located.

------------

ISOrecorder (Another (very convenient) option to write an image file (ISO
file) to a CD/DVD is to download and install 'ISOrecorder' from;
http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/#/

At said site, click 'Download', then click iether the 32bit or the 64bit
of 'ISO Recorder V3.1'.

Then read 'Installation'.
Now when it's installed you can right-click on an ISO (image) file that
you have previously downloaded you will be given the option (in bold text)
to 'Copy image to CD' (works the same with DVD).

----------------------

Can I suggest that you use rewritable CD/DVD as, if you make a mistake
then you can simply erase the rewritable CD/DVD and try again.





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Old March 23rd 18, 07:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:

Ashampoo doesn't have that choice. I downloaded ImgBurn but have not had
the
time to see how it works. It doesn't look easy and intuitive like the
other
burners I had.

See Patrick's post; Ashampoo _does_ have that choice. As does ImgBurn.


In Ashampoo there are 3 choices to burn ISO disks but I don't see the choice
to burn them from a saved file. Two are from disk images and one from a
project. Which do I use?

.. (Though use a write-once one once
you've proved the method - IME, CD-RWs aren't _long_ lived, I mean
recordings made on them aren't.)


I remember reading that in the past.

I use my external drive to store images from my two main PCs. You don't
boot _from_ the external drive: you boot from a CD you make using the
imaging software you choose. I choose Macrium, for which the boot CD
actually fits on a mini-CD (well it does for Macrium 5 that I have; I
think it will for 6 and 7 too); it hasn't let me down yet. Once Macrium
(or whatever) has booted from the CD, you tell it which image file (on the
external drive) to restore from.


The downloader for Macrium has errors so I can't get that one. Maybe I can
get it from another site.


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  #283  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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ImgBurn definitely can burn from ISO files.


I have that one also. Which of the 6 choices handles ISO files? Do the 4 top
choices do it? There is no mention of ISO files. Are "image" files aka ISO
files?


  #284  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"tesla sTinker" wrote in message
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This sounds like the bios has skipped, forgotten its fire up drive.
When battery goes bad in them, they reset to default and when they do
that, the fire up drive is not the same anymore. Holding down the cntrl
shift and delete keys while hitting the power button may just bring you
into the bios.


It didn't. Just the same Read Disk Error.

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  #285  
Old March 23rd 18, 07:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Toshiba W-7 went dark Punch in help windows explorer for BIOS


"tesla sTinker" wrote in message
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We set a topic for you to understand the computer bios. This is from our
laptop under the help menu in windows explorer.
BIOS: frequently asked questions

- snip -

Thanks for the info.
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