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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
"Mike Easter" wrote in message ... HB wrote: Can you learn anything from these pics? So, likely the best that you can do with what you have is to install Win7 from available general media and/but I don't know your experience with installing Windows and finding drivers for your hardware if it doesn't happen 'automatically'. I never installed Windows on a new HD. I have no idea what's involved. You don't have experience using the tools which have been mentioned here such as chkdsk using Windows tools, or testdisk using Win or linux tools, or ddrescue using linux tools and you don't have enough experience using linux to be comfortable pasting information from a linux terminal into a linux news agent to make it easy to communicate back and forth and progress and problems while working in linux. It would take weeks or months for me to learn a new OS. I'm taking a lot of time away from other things working on the Tosh as it is. I just can't spare the time to spend learning a whole new OS. I know what chkdsk is in windows. Techs who work on PCs as a living or those into fixing PCs and tweaking them would be familiar with these Linux tools I'm sure. But, you do have some very patient participants here who would like to help. Yes, I know and I really appreciate it. -- "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" ~ Voltaire ~ |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
"Mike Easter" wrote in message ... HB wrote: It was running when suddenly it made a kind of ticking sound and the screen went black. Ewww. Do you recall if that ticking sound resembled the sound you heard when you attempted to get into the Toshiba recovery wizard with the zero key power-up strategy? No. Totally different sound. Almost like a scratching sound. It only lasted but a second or two whereas the irritating noise from the other kept going until I shut the PC off. Given what we see good about the hdd, I have to assume that you are hearing something like hdd actuator hitting a stop or back into park position because of a read error like a 'click of death' since a genuine head crash would have much more catastrophic results. That's possible but I don't know what could have caused it. It sure must have been the click/tick of death. This was catastrophic enough. -- "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." -= Robert Green Ingersoll=- |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: [] No way to do that now with the Toshiba. There was nothing of real importance on it. Anything important was backed up on a thumbdrive. Not entirely true: if we can clone the drive, we'd have the operating system that could be put on a new one without having to put you through the trouble of finding and downloading, burning to a DVD in the correct manner, and then reinstalling (and possibly reactivating) the OS - plus of course you wouldn't have to reinstall your various softwares, including your daughter's favourite game (-:. How can it possibly be cloned when it wont boot? .. As a result, the drives can appear to still be working perfectly, but get slower and slower. That about describes the Tosh. Yep, I already checked. That's OK. I have a feeling the HD is the problem. Have you decided whether you're going to get a 250, a 500, or a 1T? If I take that route probably a 500. Plenty of room for the girl's games and music etc. Hours on FB don't use up disk space. That does sound very much like hard disc failure. Especially if the ticking sound was from the drive rather than the speakers. It didn't sound like it was from the speakers. :^( -- Morality is doing what's right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possiblity of divine reward. - Arthur Paliden - |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
HB wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" If I understand Mike Easter's post correctly, ddrescue _is_ _on_ the fatdog CD, but isn't _installed_ when you boot fatdog, you have to extract it. How is that done? Where would it be found in Fatdog? Since Fatdog connects to the internet and ddrescue is in its repository, you simply have to install ddrescue by using the command line OR the graphical package manager which is called Gslapt in the menu. You already have experience with accessing the terminal from the other commands you've give fatdog for such as fdisk or smartctl. To similarly install ddrescue you can: slapt-get -i ddrescue That command means, "Hey, package manager slapt-get; please '-i' (the letter lowercase i preceded by a dash means install) the package ddrescue." That command is the same as slapt-get --install ddrescue, where the word form has 2 dashes. The reason that these things work is because the live fatdog runs in ram. However, the philosophy about what to do with ddrescue is another matter; it can do many things that can be discussed. On my live fatdog running from USB, it was necessary for me to update before I installed ddrescue. slapt-get -u (which means or can be commanded slapt-get --update) After the updating, then slapt-get -i ddrescue installs the package. The ddrescue has many different case-sensitive options it can run. My thinking about this is that the repair capabilities are more important than the rescue capabilities. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: Was that a noise from the speakers, or a mechanical noise from the disc drive? It wasn't from the speakers I don't think. It's very hard to describe the sound or tell exactly where it came from. -- "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" ~ Voltaire ~ |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: Although it's not a foolproof check, has the date and time remained reasonably correct whenever you power the beast? Yes but the weird thing was that Tosh would say, "Plugged in but not charging" when it was! That lasted a week or more. It finally said the battery was at nothing. But whoever used it always plugged it in so there were no problems. But that wasn't true. It was charging and in Fatdog it shows it charging. Plus my son was trying to get it to boot using the rescue disks and checking out Linux on the battery alone for over an hour. he wanted to see if it was charging or not. She it's charging. I don't _think_ that's the problem, anyway - booting from CD as you have been doing should normally work regardless of the state of the cell, and the tests you've been able to do from fatdog do indicate a very poorly (though possibly capable of being cloned) hard drive. How can it be cloned? Is that another complicated need-to-read-50-websites to try and understand? :^) -- Microsoft motto "If it ain't broke keep fixing it till it is." |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 23/03/2018 06:05, HB wrote: I wouldn't try and attempt something like this unless I could watch someone else do it. You literally have to almost dismantle the whole laptop to get to it. But yes, that's the one I have. Steps 6 to 12 explain how to remove the Keyboard and this is all that would be required to see (or/and replace) the CMOS-battery (see Step 14). The two danger points would be Step-6 whereby you might damage the plastic part, the other danger (more important) would be at Step 10/11 where if you don't understand the instruction, then you could damage the Keyboard cable or socket. BTW, I noticed in one of your pictures that it showed a date of 2010 which suggests the CMOS-battery is exausted. I'll buy a battery. But I don't think the little battery dying would stop the PC while in use and plugged in - would it? The big battery I can understand, but the small one wouldn't matter once booted - no? -- "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" ~ Voltaire ~ |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
HB wrote:
I never installed Windows on a new HD. I have no idea what's involved. There is plenty of help for that and the odds are that it would go very smoothly and uncomplicated. If it should come to pass that you need a new hdd and decided to replace your spinning drive with an SSD, your previous experience with that Win7 being very slow on that laptop will be quite different, so that is a plus. Naturally 'rescuing' this hdd would be more 'convenient' than removing and replacing the hdd if it could be done without too much trouble. The Tosh recovery wizard easy way out didn't work out, but possibly one of the software tools might. I think it is important to keep the frustration level down; so that this business of being challenged is more interesting and therefore expanding than baffling and maddening. You need little successes even as small as successfully getting a commandline result that is a new experience. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
Mike Easter wrote:
HB wrote: How is that done?Â* Where would it be found in Fatdog? slapt-get -i ddrescue Besides installing ddrescue, you could install testdisk and use it. slapt-get -i testdisk Earlier I posted a link to a good discussion of using testdisk - snips follow link https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step This recovery example guides you through TestDisk, step by step, to recover these 'lost' partitions by: rewriting the corrupted NTFS boot sector, and recovering the accidentally deleted logical NTFS partition. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
Mike Easter wrote:
Besides installing ddrescue, you could install testdisk and use it. If you are averse to using those command lines to install testdisk and ddrescue, yu can also do it from the menu: Menu/ Setup section/ Gslapt/ Click the update button to get the manager uptodate. Use the search field to find testdisk and the Package menu to mark it to install. There's an icon button on the toolbar to execute. The same thing could be done graphically for ddrescue. As you can see, it takes quite a few more words to 'draw a picture' of using a graphical tool than words to describe using the command line. Oops. I've been assuming that the Toshiba was 'automatically' connected to the internet by an ethernet cable; but recently you said something about your son using it on the battery, so I don't know about its connectivity or whether you need to get it to connect wirelessly and whether that will be a problem with your inexperience with fatdog's connectivity tools. An ethernet will likely connect automatically; a wifi might need some help. It is necessary to be connected to install these packages we've mentioned. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: Besides installing ddrescue, you could install testdisk and use it. If you are averse to using those command lines to install testdisk and ddrescue, yu can also do it from the menu: Menu/ Setup section/ Gslapt/ Click the update button to get the manager uptodate. Use the search field to find testdisk and the Package menu to mark it to install. There's an icon button on the toolbar to execute. The same thing could be done graphically for ddrescue. As you can see, it takes quite a few more words to 'draw a picture' of using a graphical tool than words to describe using the command line. Oops. I've been assuming that the Toshiba was 'automatically' connected to the internet by an ethernet cable; but recently you said something about your son using it on the battery, so I don't know about its connectivity or whether you need to get it to connect wirelessly and whether that will be a problem with your inexperience with fatdog's connectivity tools. An ethernet will likely connect automatically; a wifi might need some help. It is necessary to be connected to install these packages we've mentioned. I think TestDisk might already be on the DVD. But ddrescue likely takes package management. I made some pictures for ddrescue in a previous post. https://s13.postimg.org/t07zo8l47/ad...64_session.gif https://s13.postimg.org/te9bntxhz/dd...bad_blocks.gif My ddrescue command-line example, wasn't set up to do cloning at the time, and I was using ddrescue to do a bad block scan. Changing the /dev/null to another storage device name like /dev/sdb would allow cloning. Paul |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
On 03/24/2018 12:41 AM, HB wrote:
"pjp" wrote in message ... No insult intended but you are not going to teach me quantum machanic math via a newsgroup so given following this thread you are never going to solve whatever issue your laptop has. I'm willing to bet on it. Not saying someone else can't though. You're right. I'm clueless. I didn't think it would be so complicated to find the problem and solve it. There is an old saying " I think you Guys are flogging a dead Horse" Rene |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
Paul wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: If you are averse to using those command lines to install testdisk and ddrescue, yu can also do it from the menu: Menu/ Setup section/ Gslapt/ fatdog's connectivity tools.Â* An ethernet will likely connect automatically; a wifi might need some help. Fortunately fatdog has both a wpa-gui and an alternate text-based tool for solving wifi connectivity and it has built-in help file to illustrate how to use the wpa-gui. It is necessary to be connected to install these packages we've mentioned. I think TestDisk might already be on the DVD. I'm looking at fatdog 721 which doesn't have it installed by default. But ddrescue likely takes package management. I made some pictures for ddrescue in a previous post. https://s13.postimg.org/t07zo8l47/ad...64_session.gif Ha. Well if you are going to command glsapt to appear you might as well command the ddrescue install :-) Yes, the glslapt command is simpler. https://s13.postimg.org/te9bntxhz/dd...bad_blocks.gif My ddrescue command-line example, wasn't set up to do cloning at the time, and I was using ddrescue to do a bad block scan. Changing the /dev/null to another storage device name like /dev/sdb would allow cloning. It is a lot easier for me to look at your annotated screenshots of the terminal results than his camera pix. I finally got fatdog's PrtScr key behaving consistently in a live session. by never invoking xscreenshot from the command line. Somehow using the command and invoking the ctrl-shft-prtscr to quit causes prtscr to not work any more. If he can make screenshots with prtscr or even the mtpaint tool and post them on postimg with the seamonkey browser, his results will be a lot easier to read. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
On 24/03/2018 07:24, HB wrote:
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 23/03/2018 06:05, HB wrote: I wouldn't try and attempt something like this unless I could watch someone else do it. You literally have to almost dismantle the whole laptop to get to it. But yes, that's the one I have. Steps 6 to 12 explain how to remove the Keyboard and this is all that would be required to see (or/and replace) the CMOS-battery (see Step 14). The two danger points would be Step-6 whereby you might damage the plastic part, the other danger (more important) would be at Step 10/11 where if you don't understand the instruction, then you could damage the Keyboard cable or socket. BTW, I noticed in one of your pictures that it showed a date of 2010 which suggests the CMOS-battery is exausted. I'll buy a battery. But I don't think the little battery dying would stop the PC while in use and plugged in - would it? The big battery I can understand, but the small one wouldn't matter once booted - no? I've since had another look at what I thought was a 2010 date and now realise that I was mistaken, it was a 2018 date. |
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Patrick wrote:
I've since had another look at what I thought was a 2010 date and now realise that I was mistaken, it was a 2018 date. I don't know what you were looking at, but the Satellite C655D with Win7 was released about 2011, so its little battery is pretty old. -- Mike Easter |
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