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  #316  
Old March 24th 18, 07:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mike Easter" wrote in message
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HB wrote:
Can you learn anything from these pics?


So, likely the best that you can do with what you have is to install Win7
from available general media and/but I don't know your experience with
installing Windows and finding drivers for your hardware if it doesn't
happen 'automatically'.


I never installed Windows on a new HD. I have no idea what's involved.

You don't have experience using the tools which have been mentioned here
such as chkdsk using Windows tools, or testdisk using Win or linux tools,
or ddrescue using linux tools and you don't have enough experience using
linux to be comfortable pasting information from a linux terminal into a
linux news agent to make it easy to communicate back and forth and
progress and problems while working in linux.


It would take weeks or months for me to learn a new OS. I'm taking a lot of
time away from other things working on the Tosh as it is. I just can't
spare the time to spend learning a whole new OS. I know what chkdsk is in
windows. Techs who work on PCs as a living or those into fixing PCs and
tweaking them would be familiar with these Linux tools I'm sure.

But, you do have some very patient participants here who would like to
help.


Yes, I know and I really appreciate it.
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  #317  
Old March 24th 18, 07:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mike Easter" wrote in message
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It was running when suddenly it made a kind of ticking sound
and the screen went black.


Ewww.

Do you recall if that ticking sound resembled the sound you heard when you
attempted to get into the Toshiba recovery wizard with the zero key
power-up strategy?


No. Totally different sound. Almost like a scratching sound. It only lasted
but a second or two whereas the irritating noise from the other kept going
until I shut the PC off.

Given what we see good about the hdd, I have to assume that you are
hearing something like hdd actuator hitting a stop or back into park
position because of a read error like a 'click of death' since a genuine
head crash would have much more catastrophic results.


That's possible but I don't know what could have caused it. It sure must
have been the click/tick of death. This was catastrophic enough.


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  #318  
Old March 24th 18, 08:03 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:
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No way to do that now with the Toshiba. There was nothing of real
importance
on it. Anything important was backed up on a thumbdrive.


Not entirely true: if we can clone the drive, we'd have the operating
system that could be put on a new one without having to put you through
the trouble of finding and downloading, burning to a DVD in the correct
manner, and then reinstalling (and possibly reactivating) the OS - plus of
course you wouldn't have to reinstall your various softwares, including
your daughter's favourite game (-:.


How can it possibly be cloned when it wont boot?

.. As a result, the drives can appear to still be working
perfectly, but get slower and slower.


That about describes the Tosh.

Yep, I already checked. That's OK. I have a feeling the HD is the

problem.

Have you decided whether you're going to get a 250, a 500, or a 1T?


If I take that route probably a 500. Plenty of room for the girl's games and
music etc. Hours on FB don't use up disk space.

That does sound very much like hard disc failure. Especially if the
ticking sound was from the drive rather than the speakers.


It didn't sound like it was from the speakers. :^(


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  #319  
Old March 24th 18, 08:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)"


If I understand Mike Easter's post correctly, ddrescue _is_ _on_
the fatdog CD, but isn't _installed_ when you boot fatdog, you have
to extract it.


How is that done? Where would it be found in Fatdog?


Since Fatdog connects to the internet and ddrescue is in its repository,
you simply have to install ddrescue by using the command line OR the
graphical package manager which is called Gslapt in the menu.

You already have experience with accessing the terminal from the other
commands you've give fatdog for such as fdisk or smartctl. To similarly
install ddrescue you can:

slapt-get -i ddrescue

That command means, "Hey, package manager slapt-get; please '-i' (the
letter lowercase i preceded by a dash means install) the package
ddrescue." That command is the same as slapt-get --install ddrescue,
where the word form has 2 dashes. The reason that these things work is
because the live fatdog runs in ram.

However, the philosophy about what to do with ddrescue is another
matter; it can do many things that can be discussed.

On my live fatdog running from USB, it was necessary for me to update
before I installed ddrescue.

slapt-get -u

(which means or can be commanded slapt-get --update)

After the updating, then slapt-get -i ddrescue installs the package.
The ddrescue has many different case-sensitive options it can run.

My thinking about this is that the repair capabilities are more
important than the rescue capabilities.



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  #320  
Old March 24th 18, 08:06 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:

Was that a noise from the speakers, or a mechanical noise from the disc
drive?


It wasn't from the speakers I don't think. It's very hard to describe the
sound or tell exactly where it came from.
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  #321  
Old March 24th 18, 08:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , HB writes:


Although it's not a foolproof check, has the date and time remained
reasonably correct whenever you power the beast?


Yes but the weird thing was that Tosh would say, "Plugged in but not
charging" when it was! That lasted a week or more. It finally said the
battery was at nothing. But whoever used it always plugged it in so there
were no problems. But that wasn't true. It was charging and in Fatdog it
shows it charging. Plus my son was trying to get it to boot using the rescue
disks and checking out Linux on the battery alone for over an hour. he
wanted to see if it was charging or not. She it's charging.

I don't _think_ that's the problem, anyway - booting from CD as you have
been doing should normally work regardless of the state of the cell, and
the tests you've been able to do from fatdog do indicate a very poorly
(though possibly capable of being cloned) hard drive.


How can it be cloned? Is that another complicated need-to-read-50-websites
to try and understand? :^)
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  #322  
Old March 24th 18, 08:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Patrick" wrote in message
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On 23/03/2018 06:05, HB wrote:
I wouldn't try and attempt something like this unless I could watch
someone
else do it. You literally have to almost dismantle the whole laptop to
get
to it. But yes, that's the one I have.


Steps 6 to 12 explain how to remove the Keyboard and this is all that
would be required to see (or/and replace) the CMOS-battery (see Step 14).
The two danger points would be Step-6 whereby you might damage the plastic
part, the other danger (more important) would be at Step 10/11 where if
you don't understand the instruction, then you could damage the Keyboard
cable or socket.


BTW, I noticed in one of your pictures that it showed a date of 2010 which
suggests the CMOS-battery is exausted.


I'll buy a battery. But I don't think the little battery dying would stop
the PC while in use and plugged in - would it? The big battery I can
understand, but the small one wouldn't matter once booted - no?
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  #323  
Old March 24th 18, 08:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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HB wrote:
I never installed Windows on a new HD. I have no idea what's involved.


There is plenty of help for that and the odds are that it would go very
smoothly and uncomplicated.

If it should come to pass that you need a new hdd and decided to replace
your spinning drive with an SSD, your previous experience with that Win7
being very slow on that laptop will be quite different, so that is a plus.

Naturally 'rescuing' this hdd would be more 'convenient' than removing
and replacing the hdd if it could be done without too much trouble. The
Tosh recovery wizard easy way out didn't work out, but possibly one of
the software tools might.

I think it is important to keep the frustration level down; so that this
business of being challenged is more interesting and therefore expanding
than baffling and maddening. You need little successes even as small as
successfully getting a commandline result that is a new experience.

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  #324  
Old March 24th 18, 08:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mike Easter wrote:
HB wrote:

How is that done?Â* Where would it be found in Fatdog?


slapt-get -i ddrescue

Besides installing ddrescue, you could install testdisk and use it.

slapt-get -i testdisk

Earlier I posted a link to a good discussion of using testdisk - snips
follow link


https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step This recovery
example guides you through TestDisk, step by step, to recover these
'lost' partitions by:

rewriting the corrupted NTFS boot sector, and
recovering the accidentally deleted logical NTFS partition.

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  #325  
Old March 24th 18, 09:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mike Easter wrote:
Besides installing ddrescue, you could install testdisk and use it.


If you are averse to using those command lines to install testdisk and
ddrescue, yu can also do it from the menu:

Menu/ Setup section/ Gslapt/

Click the update button to get the manager uptodate. Use the search
field to find testdisk and the Package menu to mark it to install.
There's an icon button on the toolbar to execute. The same thing could
be done graphically for ddrescue. As you can see, it takes quite a few
more words to 'draw a picture' of using a graphical tool than words to
describe using the command line.

Oops. I've been assuming that the Toshiba was 'automatically' connected
to the internet by an ethernet cable; but recently you said something
about your son using it on the battery, so I don't know about its
connectivity or whether you need to get it to connect wirelessly and
whether that will be a problem with your inexperience with fatdog's
connectivity tools. An ethernet will likely connect automatically; a
wifi might need some help.

It is necessary to be connected to install these packages we've mentioned.


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  #326  
Old March 24th 18, 02:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Besides installing ddrescue, you could install testdisk and use it.


If you are averse to using those command lines to install testdisk and
ddrescue, yu can also do it from the menu:

Menu/ Setup section/ Gslapt/

Click the update button to get the manager uptodate. Use the search
field to find testdisk and the Package menu to mark it to install.
There's an icon button on the toolbar to execute. The same thing could
be done graphically for ddrescue. As you can see, it takes quite a few
more words to 'draw a picture' of using a graphical tool than words to
describe using the command line.

Oops. I've been assuming that the Toshiba was 'automatically' connected
to the internet by an ethernet cable; but recently you said something
about your son using it on the battery, so I don't know about its
connectivity or whether you need to get it to connect wirelessly and
whether that will be a problem with your inexperience with fatdog's
connectivity tools. An ethernet will likely connect automatically; a
wifi might need some help.

It is necessary to be connected to install these packages we've mentioned.


I think TestDisk might already be on the DVD.

But ddrescue likely takes package management.

I made some pictures for ddrescue in a previous post.

https://s13.postimg.org/t07zo8l47/ad...64_session.gif

https://s13.postimg.org/te9bntxhz/dd...bad_blocks.gif

My ddrescue command-line example, wasn't set up to do cloning at
the time, and I was using ddrescue to do a bad block scan. Changing
the /dev/null to another storage device name like /dev/sdb would
allow cloning.

Paul

  #327  
Old March 24th 18, 04:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 03/24/2018 12:41 AM, HB wrote:
"pjp" wrote in message
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No insult intended but you are not going to teach me quantum machanic
math via a newsgroup so given following this thread you are never going
to solve whatever issue your laptop has. I'm willing to bet on it. Not
saying someone else can't though.


You're right. I'm clueless. I didn't think it would be so complicated to
find the problem and solve it.


There is an old saying " I think you Guys are flogging a dead Horse"

Rene


  #328  
Old March 24th 18, 04:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Paul wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:

If you are averse to using those command lines to install testdisk and
ddrescue, yu can also do it from the menu:

Menu/ Setup section/ Gslapt/

fatdog's connectivity tools.Â* An ethernet will likely connect
automatically; a wifi might need some help.


Fortunately fatdog has both a wpa-gui and an alternate text-based tool
for solving wifi connectivity and it has built-in help file to
illustrate how to use the wpa-gui.

It is necessary to be connected to install these packages we've
mentioned.


I think TestDisk might already be on the DVD.


I'm looking at fatdog 721 which doesn't have it installed by default.

But ddrescue likely takes package management.

I made some pictures for ddrescue in a previous post.

https://s13.postimg.org/t07zo8l47/ad...64_session.gif


Ha. Well if you are going to command glsapt to appear you might as well
command the ddrescue install :-) Yes, the glslapt command is simpler.

https://s13.postimg.org/te9bntxhz/dd...bad_blocks.gif

My ddrescue command-line example, wasn't set up to do cloning at
the time, and I was using ddrescue to do a bad block scan. Changing
the /dev/null to another storage device name like /dev/sdb would
allow cloning.


It is a lot easier for me to look at your annotated screenshots of the
terminal results than his camera pix. I finally got fatdog's PrtScr key
behaving consistently in a live session. by never invoking xscreenshot
from the command line. Somehow using the command and invoking the
ctrl-shft-prtscr to quit causes prtscr to not work any more.

If he can make screenshots with prtscr or even the mtpaint tool and post
them on postimg with the seamonkey browser, his results will be a lot
easier to read.


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  #329  
Old March 24th 18, 04:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 24/03/2018 07:24, HB wrote:
"Patrick" wrote in message
news
On 23/03/2018 06:05, HB wrote:
I wouldn't try and attempt something like this unless I could watch
someone
else do it. You literally have to almost dismantle the whole laptop to
get
to it. But yes, that's the one I have.


Steps 6 to 12 explain how to remove the Keyboard and this is all that
would be required to see (or/and replace) the CMOS-battery (see Step 14).
The two danger points would be Step-6 whereby you might damage the plastic
part, the other danger (more important) would be at Step 10/11 where if
you don't understand the instruction, then you could damage the Keyboard
cable or socket.


BTW, I noticed in one of your pictures that it showed a date of 2010 which
suggests the CMOS-battery is exausted.


I'll buy a battery. But I don't think the little battery dying would stop
the PC while in use and plugged in - would it? The big battery I can
understand, but the small one wouldn't matter once booted - no?

I've since had another look at what I thought was a 2010 date and now
realise that I was mistaken, it was a 2018 date.
  #330  
Old March 24th 18, 04:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Patrick wrote:
I've since had another look at what I thought was a 2010 date and now
realise that I was mistaken, it was a 2018 date.


I don't know what you were looking at, but the Satellite C655D with Win7
was released about 2011, so its little battery is pretty old.


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