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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. What simple tasks? I've been using TB for /years/. It's not slow at all. What hardware are you using? So what free eMail apps are any good? Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory. You're crossposting between a Windows XP newsgroup, a W7 and a W8 newsgroup. What OS will you be using for this new mailclient? (Or do you plan to install it on ALL these operating systems?) -- s|b |
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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:37:55 +0000 (UTC), generic name wrote:
On 2014-02-16, mechanic wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:15:24 -0800, OldGuy wrote: So what free eMail apps are any good? PC-Alpine. Has anything been done to improve its setup for multiple email-ids? Alpine supports multiple imap accounts, each with user name etc. Read through the relevant pages on ii.com. like http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/#table . Also you could ask on comp.mail.pine |
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OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Not for me. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Example? Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows? Which version of TB? |
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BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me. Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot. What indexes? I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and 8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP, and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer. Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs. |
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OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM:
Not for me. Example? Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows? Which version of TB? Win 7 Pro all updates TB latest version PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C: It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are downloading. TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads?? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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OldGuy wrote:
OldGuy wrote: I use SeaMonkey. Never had a problem with it. SM is a combined browser and email/ng application. Does SM support add-ons like TBird. Specifically the one that enhances the eMail disposition rules like automatically copying eMail attachments for an account to a folder? Basic TBird could not do that so I installed an add-on to do it. SM supports nearly all Mozilla add-ons. You might want to read the SM NG. This is the Mozilla server: news.mozilla.org Port 119, SSL is not checked. And the SeaMonkey NG: mozilla.support.seamonkey |
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On 16/02/2014 7:38 AM, BillW50 wrote:
On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me. Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot. This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project. -- Silver Slimer |
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OldGuy wrote:
Been using Opera. I really like having the browser and eMail in one place. Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected. Opera has some problems. Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test. Opera removes them upon sending. Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again. I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords. It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)? SM's Password Manager retains the passwords that you enter at various web sites after you visit them once, and select the option to save when it appears. Should I not fix the Seamonkey eMail account Settings? I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers have it there. What am I missing? It's been so long since I've set up my SM program I'm afraid I'll just confuse you. If you select Help from the menu you will find a directory that should answer most of your questions. Or you can click "Edit" - Mail and Newsgroup Account Settings, and/or Preferences and see what is intuitive, and what's not, just ask here or in the SeaMonkey newsgroup you have been referred to. I think it's worth the trouble. What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird? Not sure since they've gone into rapid update mode. There didn't used to be much difference, except T-bird is standalone, no browser. So what free eMail apps are any good? Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory. SM has newsgroups that work fine. bj |
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On 2/16/2014 12:17 PM, Juan Wei wrote:
BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM: On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me. Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot. What indexes? I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and 8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP, and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer. Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs. Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines? And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power). I also mostly use the portable versions of TB. As it makes it really easy to sync between machines. This might have something to do with it. The only shortcoming I know of is forget importing, since TB portable doesn't see anything outside it its folder. And one of the tips I read about TB portable running on a flash drive (I don't, except on some machines equipped with SSD), said to disable IMAP indexing (to prevent excessive writing). Since TB is almost constantly updating the IMAP indexing. The slowness for the most part I can put up with. As it freezes at least once a minute I would say. Depending on the processor, it could last for a split second to 10 seconds or so. And while replying, it could drop some of the keys. So I copying and paste to another editor and that works just fine. I also run Process Lasso on most of my machines. It is kind of a better Task Manager, but its real benefit is that it drops the priority of tasks that is eating up a lot of processor power. Which makes the offending task even much slower. Once the process is less intensive, it returns the priority back to what it was. Most of my computer use, nothing normally trips it to switch the priority of anything. Except flash with a browser and Thunderbird. You could exclude a given process if you don't want Process Lasso to change it. So I normally exempt games and media players. Neither would be very useful to slow them down anyway. It is also so easy to shutdown Process Lasso completely if you want to. But even still, Thunderbird is still slow at times. Whether Lasso is running or not, it is replying that annoys me the most. As I end up with dropped keys. I suppose I could always type slower. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP |
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OldGuy has written on 2/16/2014 1:28 PM:
OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM: Not for me. Example? Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows? Which version of TB? Win 7 Pro all updates TB latest version PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C: It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are downloading. How many of these do you get each day? TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads?? Did you file a request? |
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On 2014-02-16, BillW50 wrote:
SNIP Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines? And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power). SNIP You should updte your sig... Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP ...as your sig shows non alienware performers As alienware is now dell, alienware lost it's umph anyway. Dell gimps their hardware. Unless they stopped gimping everything? Maybe they got better. Gamers I know build their own. -- Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will recommend that they do what they want to do. |
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OldGuy wrote:
OldGuy has written on 2/15/2014 10:15 PM: Not for me. Example? Your computer locks up until TB finishes? Which version of Windows? Which version of TB? Win 7 Pro all updates TB latest version PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C: It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are downloading. TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads?? It's the kind of tool, where some user tuning may be required. The server has a maximum number of connections, and the client can be set to use less than that. And if you set the connections low enough, a more efficient serialization may occur for you. The latest TB versions are too asynchronous, and shoot themselves in the foot. These can be found in the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, this would be about:config, but in Thunderbird, there is a button to click to open the Editor. This is like a Registry, but uses a separate file. mail.server.server2.max_cached_connections 2 mail.server.server4.max_cached_connections 2 mail.imap.max_cached_connections 10 --- Not used by me mail.server.server2.hostname nntp.aioe.org mail.server.server4.hostname news.eternal-september.org # Tuning parameters not present in old versions. # idle_limit set to 300000 by default. Presumably 5 minutes, # but who can be sure. This means if the .msf isn't used # for five minutes, it'll be closed, and a future attempt # to use it will open it again. It means TB will be as slow # as it is at startup, if this is set too low. In older # versions, the unused databases would remain open, and # memory usage could be high. This might be a more useful # tuning, if you have an add-on that abuses databases. mail.db.idle_limit mail.db.max_open Paul |
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Silver Slimer wrote:
On 16/02/2014 7:38 AM, BillW50 wrote: On 2/15/2014 9:15 PM, OldGuy wrote: I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow. Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do. Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do other simple tasks until TBird finishes. You noticed that too, eh? Yeah that is very annoying about TB for me. Funny some people claim they do not see it. I admit if you have more processor power than you know what to do with, the slowness is less noticeable. I also heard if you use IMAP email (I do), TB spends much of its time updating indexes. This in turn tends to really slow down TB a lot. This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project. Use the Configuration Editor. Paul |
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