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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 12:56:49 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes up too often. Define "number one". Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it just today. I wondered who they put in charge of hearing all of the complaints. I guess it's you. Congrats! |
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Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. -- Blue |
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BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. -- Blue |
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BillW50 wrote:
Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have any problem such as you describe for yourself. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high |
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On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote:
Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. |
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On 3/5/14 12:07 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 05/03/2014 6:56 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes up too often. Define "number one". Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it just today. I've used it since it first started and freezing is not a thing I have ever seen on all the versions of Windows since then and on several Linux versions - although, like all programs, it has had a few problems that is not one of them. Maybe it was something to so with the local system, not Thunderbird? Just because you have not experienced the bug, does not mean it isn't real. That point seems to have been lost here. In the thread in the Mozilla newsgroup, not everyone experienced it either. But there was discussion as to why it may happen from a programming perspective. Assuming we are talking the same "bug", if you are composing an email/message, in my case an HTML message, the program stops responding to keystrokes when you are typing the new message. On my Mac, I get the "spinning beach ball of death", meaning a program is waiting in the background for some process to complete. I've forgotten what happens to the cursor in Windows. TB is still running, you just don't see it. Eventually, the background process completes, and what you have typed suddenly scrolls across the screen. I just had it happen composing this message. I get it quite often, and I believe it happens when TB is checking for new messages. If that is the case, if you don't check for messages automatically, or you have a long time frame between checks, you may never notice it. The HTML editor seems to have a number of issues. Apparently those issues have been there a very long time, and Mozilla apparently knows about some of them. I've got a list of 12 here on a sticky note. I've given up on reporting bugs to FOSS software. The attitude of too many programmers/developers seems to be, if they aren't interested, they aren't going to fix them. And if they aren't going to fix things that don't work for me, why should I use the software, or donate my time to identify issues? Or, even support it with a financial donation? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.3.0 |
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On 3/5/14 1:47 PM, Johnny wrote:
On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. Very interesting. I have FF 25 installed, and have just disabled the Shockwave plug-in. I'll see what happens. This was never mentioned the Mozilla thread I've been mentioning. But your description is exactly what happens to me. Did it happen even if FF was not running? I usually have both TB and FF running. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.0 |
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On 03/05/2014 03:11 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 3/5/14 1:47 PM, Johnny wrote: On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I a wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. Very interesting. I have FF 25 installed, and have just disabled the Shockwave plug-in. I'll see what happens. This was never mentioned the Mozilla thread I've been mentioning. But your description is exactly what happens to me. Did it happen even if FF was not running? I usually have both TB and FF running. I don't know, because I always have Firefox and Thunderbird running at the same time. I didn't try shutting down Firefox, I just disabled the plugin. That problem happened when I was using Windows 7. Right now I'm using Linux Mint 16 KDE, and Thunderbird and Firefox both work fine. |
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"...winston‫" wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: I know that when you have an old OS that Microsoft won't let you retrieve a newer version of Windows Essentials, including any component of it, like Window Live Mail. Direct link to Microsoft server to download the latest available installer executable file 2012 -------- Full version 2012 installer http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe Web Version 2012 Installer – English Language Version http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe 2011 ------- Full Version 2011 Installer – English Language version http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe Web Version 2011 Installer – English Language Version http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe 2009 ------- Full Version Installer English Language version http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe Web Version Installer – English Language Version http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-web.exe Note: Direct download links above are for the English language installer. For a different country replace the ‘en’ with the local language code as noted in the following pfd file. - http://liveunplugged.files.wordpress...-downloads.pdf Go to know the full installers are available. Thanks. |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird Yes, everyone knows, that hiding your bugtracker from the public, means you have no bugs in your software. When I found a bug in Windows 8, and the same bug was present in Windows 8.1 Preview, where could I report it ? Not to any publicly visible bugtracker, that's for sure. The fact it wasn't fixed in Windows 8.1 Preview, tells you how good the bug detection techniques (telemetry) are at Microsoft. Odd, I send mine to Microsoft and the next patch Tuesday, it is fixed for me. You can send bugs to Mozilla for the past 8 years and I never heard of one ever being fixed yet. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have any problem such as you describe for yourself. That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never test the limits? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
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"Johnny" wrote in message ... On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
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"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
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BillW50 wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote: BillW50 wrote: Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have any problem such as you describe for yourself. That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never test the limits? You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up. Though if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post... -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high |
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote: BillW50 wrote: Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. saltSo is every other major piece of software in use today./salt However, your statement is false. I am part of "everybody" (as are the several other posters who've responded) and I did not, and do not have any problem such as you describe for yourself. That is because you don't try all of the features and your kind make lousy testers. How do you know what the software can do if you never test the limits? You have no idea how I use the software, so stop making **** up. Though if you didn't, you wouldn't have much to post... I am not making anything up! I know you are *not* good enough to find any bugs in Mozilla products. You, yourself proved it. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
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