Windows 8.1 and 8.1N

What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:43:56 -0500, Big_Al wrote:

What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

Neutered?

On 01/26/2015 08:49 AM, Gordon wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:43:56 -0500, Big_Al wrote:

What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

Neutered?




Yep I think so


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Big_Al wrote:
What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

"Windows 8 N and Windows 8 KN editions include the same functionality
as Windows 8, except that these versions of Windows do not include
Windows Media Player, and related technologies.

End-user customers can enable the media functionality to work properly
by installing the Media Feature Pack for N and KN versions of
Windows 8 (KB2703761)."

There are likely to be more "letter flavors" than that
(historically), but I don't know how I'd track all
of them down.

HTH,
Paul

Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in countries
that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows 7 N
editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some countries
worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for free, rather
than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or other
applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me (in the
USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it was a dead
issue until I saw this thread.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Big_Al wrote:
What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

"Windows 8 N and Windows 8 KN editions include the same functionality
as Windows 8, except that these versions of Windows do not include
Windows Media Player, and related technologies.

End-user customers can enable the media functionality to work properly
by installing the Media Feature Pack for N and KN versions of
Windows 8 (KB2703761)."

There are likely to be more "letter flavors" than that
(historically), but I don't know how I'd track all
of them down.

HTH,
Paul

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:35:05 -0600, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in countries
that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows 7 N
editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some countries
worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for free, rather
than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or other
applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me (in the
USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it was a dead
issue until I saw this thread.


I'm not sure what Big Al wanted to know, but I'll throw in a question
here, if I may. What, if anything, does the "N" stand for?

On 1/26/2015 11:35 AM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in
countries that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows
7 N editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some
countries worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for
free, rather than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or
other applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me
(in the USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it
was a dead issue until I saw this thread.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Big_Al wrote:
What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

"Windows 8 N and Windows 8 KN editions include the same functionality
as Windows 8, except that these versions of Windows do not include
Windows Media Player, and related technologies.

End-user customers can enable the media functionality to work properly
by installing the Media Feature Pack for N and KN versions of
Windows 8 (KB2703761)."

There are likely to be more "letter flavors" than that
(historically), but I don't know how I'd track all
of them down.

HTH,
Paul

For what it's worth, shortly after the European lawsuit ended about not
including Internet Explorer with the Windows OS, I believe I took a
freshly (offline) installed American issued Windows 7 and then used a
VPN link to England to activate it and do it's first update session.
One of the optional updates offered was the option to remove Internet
Explorer from the computer. I have not tried this since then so I don't
know if they still offer that "feature".

GlowingBlueMist wrote on 1/26/2015 1:27 PM:
On 1/26/2015 11:35 AM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in
countries that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows
7 N editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some
countries worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for
free, rather than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or
other applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me
(in the USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it
was a dead issue until I saw this thread.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Big_Al wrote:
What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

"Windows 8 N and Windows 8 KN editions include the same functionality
as Windows 8, except that these versions of Windows do not include
Windows Media Player, and related technologies.

End-user customers can enable the media functionality to work properly
by installing the Media Feature Pack for N and KN versions of
Windows 8 (KB2703761)."

There are likely to be more "letter flavors" than that
(historically), but I don't know how I'd track all
of them down.

HTH,
Paul

For what it's worth, shortly after the European lawsuit ended about not
including Internet Explorer with the Windows OS, I believe I took a
freshly (offline) installed American issued Windows 7 and then used a
VPN link to England to activate it and do it's first update session.
One of the optional updates offered was the option to remove Internet
Explorer from the computer. I have not tried this since then so I don't
know if they still offer that "feature".

That's an interesting ploy. I've had queries from people how to get IE out of the system. Your solution is a bit
impractical for most people (need a site in Europe to VPN into), but I like it.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 1/26/2015 12:48 PM:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:35:05 -0600, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in countries
that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows 7 N
editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some countries
worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for free, rather
than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or other
applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me (in the
USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it was a dead
issue until I saw this thread.


I'm not sure what Big Al wanted to know, but I'll throw in a question
here, if I may. What, if anything, does the "N" stand for?

That and what was said that the versions are neutered to remove player and possibly IE.
I'm sure the N isn't for neuter, or at least as marketing I wouldn't use that term. IMHO.

On 01/26/2015 12:27 PM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:

Big_Al wrote:
What is the "N" notation for Windows 8.1

"Windows 8 N and Windows 8 KN editions include the same functionality
as Windows 8, except that these versions of Windows do not include
Windows Media Player, and related technologies.

End-user customers can enable the media functionality to work properly
by installing the Media Feature Pack for N and KN versions of
Windows 8 (KB2703761)."

There are likely to be more "letter flavors" than that
(historically), but I don't know how I'd track all
of them down.

HTH,
Paul

For what it's worth, shortly after the European lawsuit ended about not
including Internet Explorer with the Windows OS, I believe I took a
freshly (offline) installed American issued Windows 7 and then used a
VPN link to England to activate it and do it's first update session. One
of the optional updates offered was the option to remove Internet
Explorer from the computer. I have not tried this since then so I don't
know if they still offer that "feature".



I'd be curious to know what happens if you open Windows Explorer and
just type a URL into the address bar.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:11:05 -0600, philo wrote:

For what it's worth, shortly after the European lawsuit ended about not
including Internet Explorer with the Windows OS, I believe I took a
freshly (offline) installed American issued Windows 7 and then used a
VPN link to England to activate it and do it's first update session. One
of the optional updates offered was the option to remove Internet
Explorer from the computer. I have not tried this since then so I don't
know if they still offer that "feature".



I'd be curious to know what happens if you open Windows Explorer and
just type a URL into the address bar.

Off-topic, but some people may not realize that you can usually do the
opposite, as well. Open a browser and type file:///c:/

Either tool seems to be able to do the other guy's job, although not as
well.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:29:16 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:11:05 -0600, philo wrote:

For what it's worth, shortly after the European lawsuit ended about not
including Internet Explorer with the Windows OS, I believe I took a
freshly (offline) installed American issued Windows 7 and then used a
VPN link to England to activate it and do it's first update session. One
of the optional updates offered was the option to remove Internet
Explorer from the computer. I have not tried this since then so I don't
know if they still offer that "feature".



I'd be curious to know what happens if you open Windows Explorer and
just type a URL into the address bar.

Off-topic, but some people may not realize that you can usually do the
opposite, as well. Open a browser and type file:///c:/

Either tool seems to be able to do the other guy's job, although not as
well.

It can be handy to do that in the browser while I'm editing an HTML
page, although usually I double click on the filename instead.

If I type a URL in Windows Explorer's address bar, the site opens in my
default browser. Currently, I'm looking at a sexy picture of Barbie (the
doll, not a human!).

That's because the link I grabbed was
http://qz.com/333459/what-mattels-ce...ure-of-barbie/

I was a bit surprised, since I just grabbed a link from a browser page
without paying any attention to what the link was (or so I claim).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 01/26/2015 03:49 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:29:16 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:11:05 -0600, philo wrote:

For what it's worth, shortly after the European lawsuit ended about not
including Internet Explorer with the Windows OS, I believe I took a
freshly (offline) installed American issued Windows 7 and then used a
VPN link to England to activate it and do it's first update session. One
of the optional updates offered was the option to remove Internet
Explorer from the computer. I have not tried this since then so I don't
know if they still offer that "feature".



I'd be curious to know what happens if you open Windows Explorer and
just type a URL into the address bar.

Off-topic, but some people may not realize that you can usually do the
opposite, as well. Open a browser and type file:///c:/

Either tool seems to be able to do the other guy's job, although not as
well.

It can be handy to do that in the browser while I'm editing an HTML
page, although usually I double click on the filename instead.

If I type a URL in Windows Explorer's address bar, the site opens in my
default browser. Currently, I'm looking at a sexy picture of Barbie (the
doll, not a human!).

That's because the link I grabbed was
http://qz.com/333459/what-mattels-ce...ure-of-barbie/

I was a bit surprised, since I just grabbed a link from a browser page
without paying any attention to what the link was (or so I claim).




I glanced at that article and wow,
If I owned a company and the sales dropped to only $1.99 Billion I'd be
nervous as heck

Big_Al wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 1/26/2015 12:48 PM:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:35:05 -0600, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in countries
that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows 7 N
editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some countries
worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for free, rather
than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or other
applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me (in the
USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it was a dead
issue until I saw this thread.


I'm not sure what Big Al wanted to know, but I'll throw in a question
here, if I may. What, if anything, does the "N" stand for?

That and what was said that the versions are neutered to remove player and possibly IE.
I'm sure the N isn't for neuter, or at least as marketing I wouldn't use that term. IMHO.


No true regarding 'possibly IE'

The N means nothing with respect to IE but it does have everything to do
with the EU and the past Media Player-less N versions.

The EU after requiring the Media Player-less N version found that OEM's
were adding Media Player thus rendering the EU/MSFT 'N' agreement useless.

Initially the EU went down the same road regarding competitiveness
surrounding IE which MSFT then offered to ship Windows without IE. The
EU learning from its last useless mistake (OEM ignoring, EC
time/expense) realized that a browser-less Windows would most likely
result in the same thing since the OEM's didn't agree with the past
Media Player scenario nor a no-browser Windows since it would compel
them to install browser software including IE (IE would have to be
included since it was integral and necessary for Windows Update).

Thus the 'browser choice' update was deployed based on locale (all
Europe received the choice) and all Windows versions included IE. OEM'
still retained the ability to install other browsers (some did, some
didn't - why waste the effort if the choice was present). The
browser-choice option/update (when installed) also automatically
unpinned IE from the Win7 Taskbar.

In 2009 when Win7 SP1 was released, the code was omitted from May 2011
to July 2013(MSFT said it was a technical error but took full
responsibilty for the omission). EU accordingly fined MSFT for violating
the original agreement. The impact of that omission was 15 million (not
really significant to total Windows 7 sales) Euro users not given the
choice (which also means a percentage of those impacted continued to
ignore the choice)

The browser-choice requirement has since expired and in Dec 2014 the
update is no longer being offered and continues to mean nothing with
respect to 'N' versions.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:50:01 -0500, Big_Al wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 1/26/2015 12:48 PM:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:35:05 -0600, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Paul.

And, from that same screen:
"Windows 8.1 N editions are available for customers who live in countries
that are part of the European Economic Area and Switzerland.
"Windows 8.1 N editions can only be downloaded and upgraded from Windows 7 N
editions."
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/n-editions

Relates to the big flap a few Windows generations ago when some countries
worried that Microsoft was bundling too many applications for free, rather
than let buyers choose, buy and add on their own browser or other
applications - such as Media Player. Since it never affected me (in the
USA), I never bothered to learn the details. And I thought it was a dead
issue until I saw this thread.


I'm not sure what Big Al wanted to know, but I'll throw in a question
here, if I may. What, if anything, does the "N" stand for?

That and what was said that the versions are neutered to remove player and possibly IE.
I'm sure the N isn't for neuter, or at least as marketing I wouldn't use that term. IMHO.

Control Panel Programs and features Add/remove features is supposed
to get rid of IE and ?


KenW

Nope, it doesn't remove IE (IE is part of Windows)

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps