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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
Dne 11/07/2017 v 09:08 Tim napsal(a):
Alternatively, get a regular WIFI dongle for your desktop, and a regular router that supports WIFI. You don't have to have a LAN in this case. WIFI dongle to router WIFI to Android WIFi. .. WLAN..... Behaviour of LAN, but through wifi signal, not ethernet cable. I have Android sync application working in this way, but PC is on wire. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject. |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
For alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth
Poutnik wrote: It was not obvious from the original post the PC is not on LAN. I got in my other post an impression you just do not want/are not allowed to connect your Android to LAN. A good scenario description helps to prevent irrelevant replies. I apologize if I didn't make it clear when I said in the original post "To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN" that the question was not going to be solved by joining a LAN. Allow me to clarify that the question is specific to creating a device to PC network without joining a LAN and without cabling a wire through floors (either a speaker cable or a USB cable). I didn't know about the "Ad-Hoc Mode" of a Wi-Fi card so that gives me two good answers that should work. Are these my options? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Do you know which of these hardware choices goes best through floors? |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 01:02:13 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: Ad hoc WiFi mode might be a possibility. No LAN required. https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-ad-hoc-and-infrastructure-mode/ Thank you for suggesting a Wi-Fi option because currently there is no bluetooth or Wi-Fi card in the desktop so either would be an option. Would either type of hardware satisfy the requirements of transferring small (megabyte-sized) files and playing songs between Android & Windows? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Which do you think would penetrate floors best? |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 11 Jul 2017 02:43:42 +0000 (UTC), Dan
Jenkins wrote: Can you get me started on how to connect Android 4.3 to Bluetooth on Windows 10 because I don't have bluetooth yet. YOu can get a USB Bluetooth dongle for $2 on Amazon or ebay, including shipping. I think they were only 1 dollar a few years ago. I bought two kinds and one worked and one didn't. One came with a mini-CD but you don't need that with win10. How powerful it is, I don't know. It's half the size of a 3 pennies and plugs into a USB jack. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...d=1&_i pg=200 But I don't know if these fit a PC and I don't have any specs to know if a card is more powerful than a dongle, or how much. I looked up how to tell if my Windows 10 desktop has bluetooth and it doesn't seem to have a bluetooth card based on doing these device tests. I don't think any deskptops come with bluetooth, unless you have the thing built to spec, but I could be wrong. Wikip: Bluetooth is a wireless technology standard for exchanging data over short distances (using short-wavelength UHF radio waves in the ISM band from 2.4 to 2.485 GHz. Don't cordless phones use similar freq. and my 5.8GHzcordless phone transmitter goes from the second floor to the basement and 80 feet out to the yard. Class Max. permitted power Typ. range[3] (mW) dBm) (m) 1 100 20 ~100 2 2.5 4 ~10 3 1 0 ~1 4 0.5 -3 ~0.5 So I guess that means yhou need class 1. You intend to use a battery powered bluetooth speaker?? And carry it with you? http://blog.drivethelife.com/bluetoo...oth-built.html https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-windows-10 So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC. Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable? Yes. I saw that you said this. I don't know why nospam thought you didn't know this. Then why do I want bluetooth? I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more). (1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN Back and forth from your phone to the PC? Yeah, it's slow. Why not buy a used wireless router on ebay. Then you can use MyPhoneExplorer to transfer files, and even to add contacts, send and receive texts usilng a full size keyboard and monitor. (2) To play songs from Android onto the more powerful computer speakers Surely this stays put even while you move, so if you're too far away to hear it, your bluetooth doesn't have to go that far either. ;-) Not at all what you asked but I get my music on the PC using the many channels on RadioMaximus (free) Pandora (free iirc) Tunein (free last I looked) and I bought wireless speakers. I'll admit that the ones they sell now are maybe 5 times the price from 5 or 10 years ago, and I bought mine either surplus or second hand, so I got by cheaply. But I don't care about stereo and I have a speaker in the bathroom, my bedroom, the kitchen, and hte workshop/laundry room. And a spare for outdoors which I haven't used because I just play the radio instead. . You might still find them used, or you can buy the new version of wireless speakers. Since I don't have bluetooth on the desktop, what hardware is best to add? |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:46:30 +0200, Poutnik
wrote: Dne 11/07/2017 v 08:23 nospam napsal(a): In article , Poutnik wrote: So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC. Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable? Yes. Then why do I want bluetooth? I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more). (1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb, otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that. He was not asking for that.. he asked about file transfer. bluetooth is much too slow for file transfer. wifi is several orders of magnitude faster. That is well known and he knows it. It was not clear from the original post why he cannot /does not want to connect other way. He can have a legitimate reason why not to connect to a LAN. i didn't say anything about connecting to lan. He did. One of obvious ways is accessing LAN via Wifi router, as it was not in the first post PC is not on LAN. Helping others is rarely useful while being confrontative toward other opinions. Even good advices can be then rejected because of the way they are presented. You and the OP are hard to understand due to your poor command of English. |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 05:39:51 +0000 (UTC), Dan Jenkins
wrote: On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 22:59:43 -0400, nospam wrote: I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more). (1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb, otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that. Thank you for trying to help but please don't try to help if you're going to completely ignore the original post by suggesting everything I already know and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original question. You wrote your question in a confusing manner. Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question. You did not mention powerful before. WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN. Not so. Wifi is faster and has better range. USB cable is inconvenient when going from floor to floor. Same with speaker cables. Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question. If you knew the answer why ask? This question is just asking advice about which powerful Bluetooth hardware (make and model) people actually use and like best to connect an Android device to a Windows PC. As others have said best use Wi-Fi. |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:29:29 +0000 (UTC), Dan Jenkins
wrote: For alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth Poutnik wrote: It was not obvious from the original post the PC is not on LAN. I got in my other post an impression you just do not want/are not allowed to connect your Android to LAN. A good scenario description helps to prevent irrelevant replies. I apologize if I didn't make it clear when I said in the original post "To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN" that the question was not going to be solved by joining a LAN. Allow me to clarify that the question is specific to creating a device to PC network without joining a LAN and without cabling a wire through floors (either a speaker cable or a USB cable). I didn't know about the "Ad-Hoc Mode" of a Wi-Fi card so that gives me two good answers that should work. Are these my options? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Do you know which of these hardware choices goes best through floors? Where are you going to find a desktop that can go through floors? |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 03:29:37 -0400, micky
wrote: In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 11 Jul 2017 02:43:42 +0000 (UTC), Dan Jenkins wrote: Can you get me started on how to connect Android 4.3 to Bluetooth on Windows 10 because I don't have bluetooth yet. YOu can get a USB Bluetooth dongle for $2 on Amazon or ebay, including shipping. I think they were only 1 dollar a few years ago. I bought two kinds and one worked and one didn't. One came with a mini-CD but you don't need that with win10. So easy to use audio streaming over Bluetooth with Windows 10. How powerful it is, I don't know. Not enough for the OP. Only goes a few metres. Some Bluetooth goes much further. It's half the size of a 3 pennies and plugs into a USB jack. Hard to find pennies these days. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...d=1&_i pg=200 But I don't know if these fit a PC and I don't have any specs to know if a card is more powerful than a dongle, or how much. I looked up how to tell if my Windows 10 desktop has bluetooth and it doesn't seem to have a bluetooth card based on doing these device tests. I don't think any deskptops come with bluetooth, unless you have the thing built to spec, but I could be wrong. Wikip: Bluetooth is a wireless technology standard for exchanging data over short distances (using short-wavelength UHF radio waves in the ISM band from 2.4 to 2.485 GHz. Don't cordless phones use similar freq. and my 5.8GHzcordless phone transmitter goes from the second floor to the basement and 80 feet out to the yard. Class Max. permitted power Typ. range[3] (mW) dBm) (m) 1 100 20 ~100 2 2.5 4 ~10 3 1 0 ~1 4 0.5 -3 ~0.5 So I guess that means yhou need class 1. You intend to use a battery powered bluetooth speaker?? And carry it with you? http://blog.drivethelife.com/bluetoo...oth-built.html https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-windows-10 So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC. Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable? Yes. I saw that you said this. I don't know why nospam thought you didn't know this. Then why do I want bluetooth? I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more). (1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN Back and forth from your phone to the PC? Yeah, it's slow. Why not buy a used wireless router on ebay. Then you can use MyPhoneExplorer to transfer files, and even to add contacts, send and receive texts usilng a full size keyboard and monitor. The OP said he wanted to transfer very small files. (2) To play songs from Android onto the more powerful computer speakers Surely this stays put even while you move, so if you're too far away to hear it, your bluetooth doesn't have to go that far either. ;-) Not at all what you asked but I get my music on the PC using the many channels on RadioMaximus (free) Pandora (free iirc) Tunein (free last I looked) and I bought wireless speakers. I'll admit that the ones they sell now are maybe 5 times the price from 5 or 10 years ago, and I bought mine either surplus or second hand, so I got by cheaply. But I don't care about stereo and I have a speaker in the bathroom, my bedroom, the kitchen, and hte workshop/laundry room. And a spare for outdoors which I haven't used because I just play the radio instead. . You might still find them used, or you can buy the new version of wireless speakers. |
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Dan Jenkins wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 01:02:13 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: Ad hoc WiFi mode might be a possibility. No LAN required. https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-ad-hoc-and-infrastructure-mode/ Thank you for suggesting a Wi-Fi option because currently there is no bluetooth or Wi-Fi card in the desktop so either would be an option. Would either type of hardware satisfy the requirements of transferring small (megabyte-sized) files and playing songs between Android & Windows? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Which do you think would penetrate floors best? Wifi works better. I've never heard of anyone using Bluetooth for transmission to the basement. It's more suited to running hands free headphones sitting next to your mobile device. With Wifi, you should be aware the antenna has a 3D radiation pattern, and out of the box, will favor the main floor of the house. In this example, the isotropic antenna lobes shoot out the sides, and the basement, or the second floor, aren't getting nearly as much signal. There is a nice tool "4NEC2" for doing these simulations (I have a TV antenna that the designer of it, used 4NEC2 for optimization). http://www.qsl.net/5b4agv/odmd3d10mug.jpg When you have a Wifi with MIMO (i.e. three antennas), you can tilt the antennas at different angles to spew radiation in more directions. This is just to illustrate the concept. This is a dual band card, so it's not clear what each antenna is doing with regard to band. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133 "Pros: Never drops out I get over 130Mpbs and the modem is in the basement." Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Dan Jenkins wrote: On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 01:02:13 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: Ad hoc WiFi mode might be a possibility. No LAN required. https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-ad-hoc-and-infrastructure-mode/ Thank you for suggesting a Wi-Fi option because currently there is no bluetooth or Wi-Fi card in the desktop so either would be an option. Would either type of hardware satisfy the requirements of transferring small (megabyte-sized) files and playing songs between Android & Windows? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Which do you think would penetrate floors best? Wifi works better. I've never heard of anyone using Bluetooth for transmission to the basement. It's more suited to running hands free headphones sitting next to your mobile device. With Wifi, you should be aware the antenna has a 3D radiation pattern, and out of the box, will favor the main floor of the house. In this example, the isotropic antenna lobes shoot out the sides, and the basement, or the second floor, aren't getting nearly as much signal. There is a nice tool "4NEC2" for doing these simulations (I have a TV antenna that the designer of it, used 4NEC2 for optimization). http://www.qsl.net/5b4agv/odmd3d10mug.jpg When you have a Wifi with MIMO (i.e. three antennas), you can tilt the antennas at different angles to spew radiation in more directions. This is just to illustrate the concept. This is a dual band card, so it's not clear what each antenna is doing with regard to band. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133 "Pros: Never drops out I get over 130Mpbs and the modem is in the basement." Paul The device may also mention the operating modes it supports. You can look up the names of the operating modes, for more info. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16833704133 Wireless Modes: Ad-Hoc mode Infrastructure mode ******* "Infrastructure mode In an infrastructure mode network the WNIC needs a wireless access point: all data is transferred using the access point as the central hub. All wireless nodes in an infrastructure mode network connect to an access point. All nodes connecting to the access point must have the same service set identifier (SSID) as the access point, and if a kind of wireless security is enabled on the access point (such as WEP or WPA), they must share the same keys or other authentication parameters. Ad hoc mode In an ad hoc mode network the WNIC does not require an access point, but rather can interface with all other wireless nodes directly. All the nodes in an ad hoc network must have the same channel and SSID. " HTH, Paul |
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Dne 11.7.2017 v 09:29 Dan Jenkins napsal(a):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 01:02:13 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: Ad hoc WiFi mode might be a possibility. No LAN required. https://www.howtogeek.com/180649/htg-explains-whats-the-difference-between-ad-hoc-and-infrastructure-mode/ Thank you for suggesting a Wi-Fi option because currently there is no bluetooth or Wi-Fi card in the desktop so either would be an option. Would either type of hardware satisfy the requirements of transferring small (megabyte-sized) files and playing songs between Android & Windows? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Which do you think would penetrate floors best? For both, wifi and BT, there are usable USB dongles serving well. I would go for the wifi one, as it is more universal, especially if there is change in future to have a wifi router. Also, wifi penetration is much better then of BT, that is intended just for very local devices within few meters. My phone can locate my home wifi router in the 7th floor in the block of flats, myself standing outside. Within the block, it is about 2-3 floors below to see it ( more walls ). -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject. |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
Dne 11.7.2017 v 09:41 Lucifer Morningstar napsal(a):
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:46:30 +0200, Poutnik wrote: He did. One of obvious ways is accessing LAN via Wifi router, as it was not in the first post PC is not on LAN. Helping others is rarely useful while being confrontative toward other opinions. Even good advices can be then rejected because of the way they are presented. You and the OP are hard to understand due to your poor command of English. What particularly ? I can always learn. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject. |
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Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth
Dne 11.7.2017 v 09:29 Dan Jenkins napsal(a):
I apologize if I didn't make it clear when I said in the original post "To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN" that the question was not going to be solved by joining a LAN. Allow me to clarify that the question is specific to creating a device to PC network without joining a LAN and without cabling a wire through floors (either a speaker cable or a USB cable). I didn't know about the "Ad-Hoc Mode" of a Wi-Fi card so that gives me two good answers that should work. Are these my options? (1) Add a Wi-Fi card to the desktop and put it in "Ad-Hoc Mode" (2) Add a Bluetooth card to the desktop that can go through floors Do you know which of these hardware choices goes best through floors? BT is not intended to go through floors. It is rather for the direct visibility within few meters for devices about on the same , or the next table in the room. Even if you were successfull, the signal could be poor and the transfer,slow even in ideal conditions, could suffer due unreliability. Both wifi and LAN cards ( or external adapters ) are just various hardware and software implementations of a network at hardware and link layer. For the both is defined the IP network protocal on the network layer. In the IP configuration of the desktop, you switch off the automatic DHCP and DNS and set manually its IP address, e.g. 192.168.0.1. Then you can set some dedicated folders of the desktop as shared and use some android application for exchanging the files. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject. |
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On 11/07/2017 03:43, Dan Jenkins wrote:
Can you get me started on how to connect Android 4.3 to Bluetooth on Windows 10 because I don't have bluetooth yet. I looked up how to tell if my Windows 10 desktop has bluetooth and it doesn't seem to have a bluetooth card based on doing these device tests. http://blog.drivethelife.com/bluetoo...oth-built.html https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-windows-10 So I need to add bluetooth hardware to the desktop PC. Am I aware that bluetooth is slower than WiFi or USB cable? Yes. Then why do I want bluetooth? I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more). (1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN (2) To play songs from Android onto the more powerful computer speakers Since I don't have bluetooth on the desktop, what hardware is best to add? Bluetooth V2 USB_Dongle https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?LH...gle+V2&_sop=12 http://tinyurl.com/y84meb4x Bluetooth V4 USB_Dongle (V4is less power hungry). https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o...+V4.0&_sacat=0 http://tinyurl.com/ycfrqpuo Maybe this is of interest!! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wireless-B...1%26rkt%3D1%26 http://tinyurl.com/yd48no8f |
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On 2017-07-11 08:23, nospam wrote:
In article , Dan Jenkins wrote: I want bluetooth for only two things (but you can suggest more). (1) To transfer files back & forth without having to join a local LAN apparently you aren't aware that it's slower than wifi or usb, otherwise you wouldn't be asking for that. Thank you for trying to help but please don't try to help if you're going to completely ignore the original post by suggesting everything I already know and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original question. Powerful Bluetooth hardware is the correct answer to the question. no it isn't. It would be if such a thing existed :-p WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN. yes it is, and since it's in your house, why wouldn't it be on a lan? Because there is no LAN in the house? :-) Always jumping to the kill, aren't you? -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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