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  #46  
Old April 30th 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:14:01 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:54:27 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that
isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user?


Me as a user? None.
I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer.
But as a consumer, none. Because I don't use Edge for my internet surfing.


Edge is my main browser but I feel as though I can't expect much out
of it and almost have to hold my breath while using it. Every other
browser seems superior but Edge's built-in bookmark syncing has
prevented me from losing a number of important links. I know this
functionality is available everywhere else but Edge's doesn't require
an extension or even to enter a username and password since it's
attached to the account you use logging into Windows.
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Old April 30th 18, 05:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 01:28:50 -0400, Paul
wrote:

3) Slug-slow NTFS stack. Fix it.


Do you have any examples of its sluggish performance? You've been very
informative so far.
  #48  
Old April 30th 18, 05:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 13:47:37 +0200, Michael Logies
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones
wrote:

Can 64-bit Win10 use more ram than 64-bit Win7?


Win 10 can hold more in RAM because of compression of RAM.

Bitlocker is included in Win 10 Pro, but not in Win 7 Pro. But this
weekend I found, that an encrypted VHD (by Win 10) can be mounted and
used with Win 7 Pro.


If it uses the older encryption system for compatiblity, absolutely.
However, not so if the user chooses the new system at the time of
encryption.

The files of my main VM (terminal server for 6 people, Thinstuff,
VMWare Player) are laying in an encrypted VHD now and are used from
there. That makes safe backups of the VM very simple (=copying the
VHD) and protects data on stolen hardware.
On Win 7 Pro I was using Veracrypt in the same way before switching zu
Bitlocker. Bitlocker is a lot faster (factor 6) for random writes on
SSDs. That was my reason to switch to bitlocker.


Plus, it's built-in. You can't beat that.
  #49  
Old April 30th 18, 05:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mike S" wrote

| What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP
| snip
| Run modern browsers so you can render modern web pages correctly.


?? I'm running Firefox 52. It's true that the very latest
FF won't install on XP. But the very latest is not the
same as "modern". Modern is a sneaky word. It implies
a value judgement -- up-to-date as opposed to
old-fashioned. But it actually means nothing in this
context.

My first memory of its use was with Microsoft calling
Metro trinket apps "modern". Microsoft are very adept
at twisting language to make marketing look like facts.
They were trying to define phone apps on computers,
presented as a service, as being "next-gen computing".

If you look at the average commercial webpage you'll
see that most still accommodate IE 7 or 8. What they
increasingly don't accommodate is people who disable
script, thus disabling their spyware. I keep seeing new
tricks to block functionality: CSS panels that block the
page and get set to display: none by script. Wacky
IMG tags that go to great lengths not to allow the
SRC to work....

But conversely, they try hard to accommodate browsers
and OSs because they want as many visitors as possible.

Here's a sample that shows how much they try to be
compatible. I just went to nyt.com and looked at the
source. This is at the top:

------------------------------------------
!--[if (gt IE 9)|!(IE)] !-- html lang="en" class="no-js
edition-domestic app-homepage" itemscope
xmlnsg="http://opengraphprotocol.org/schema/" !--![endif]--
!--[if IE 9] html lang="en" class="no-js ie9 lt-ie10 edition-domestic
app-homepage" xmlnsg="http://opengraphprotocol.org/schema/" ![endif]--
!--[if IE 8] html lang="en" class="no-js ie8 lt-ie10 lt-ie9
edition-domestic app-homepage"
xmlnsg="http://opengraphprotocol.org/schema/" ![endif]--
!--[if (lt IE 8)] html lang="en" class="no-js lt-ie10 lt-ie9 lt-ie8
edition-domestic app-homepage"
xmlnsg="http://opengraphprotocol.org/schema/" ![endif]--
-------------------------------------------------------------

That code indicates that they have different page versions
for everything from IE7 (maybe even 6) up to IE11. Why don't
they do similar for other browsers? Because the others are
standards compliant. Most pages will work fine in just about
any version of any other browser. So browser usability has
almost nothing to do with OS version. Though I should note
that people on 56K modems will have trouble with the wildly
bloated 2-5 MB pages that are common today.

Even if I started using Win10 today I wouldn't install
the latest Firefox because it breaks some of my
extensions. Chrome? Spyware. Edge? That's not even
a serious question.


  #50  
Old April 30th 18, 05:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?

Bob J Jones (or is it 'Ragnusen Ultred'?) wrote:
[...]
The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that
isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user?


It's still not clear why you've left out Windows Vista and Windows
8.1. By accident or on purpose? If the latter, why?

[Rewind:]

Anyway, to stay on topic, here's the current summary given the answers so
far.

1. The subscription OS often updates


Same for 7 and 8.1.

2. Touch screen OS.


Same for 8.1.

3. DirectX 12 in the OS
4. Access more ram than the 64-bit Win7 can


Who (really) cares?

5. Scale text & GUI to 200% (what was the Win7 limit?)
6. Console runs in full-screen mode (need better explanation)
7. Windows Store apps (these don't run on Win7?)


No Windows Store apps don't run on Win 7. And (AFAIK) Win8 WS apps
don't run on Win10 and vice versa. Can you say "No (backward)
compatibility!"?

8. ?
9. ?
10. ?


[Rewind:]

The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that
isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user?


Well, (add-on) hardware/software compatibility is mainly
'functionality' *of* the OS, but to a certain extend also functionality
*in* the OS. So such functionality of Windows X :-) might be useful to
me, as a user, compared to Windows Y.

Other that that, for me, Windows 10 does not offer any functionality
over 8.1, 7, Vista or XP.
  #51  
Old April 30th 18, 06:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04/29/2018 10:10 PM, JJ wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:56:00 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:
What top-ten FUNCTIONALITY can you do on Windows 10 that you just can't do
on Windows XP or Windows 7 (that is related directly to the OS)?


- Use larger RAM. i.e. the physical memory.


If your system has more than 192GB. I don't expect many systems have
that much.

I found this page that lists the RAM limits of different versions of
Windows (XP - 10): https://www.ricksdailytips.com/windows-memory-limits/

- Use new features/functions of DirectX v12. i.e. better 3D graphics. IOTW,
play the latest games.


[snip]

- Use Microsoft Edge web browser.

I only need the last one, though...


The only time I use Edge is when I want to see how a website looks in
different browsers.


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  #52  
Old April 30th 18, 06:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04/29/2018 11:00 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

[snip]

If you have a Kaby Lake, 6th gen Xeon, or a Ryzen then there will be no
win7 functionality without a hack that most people would not want to
attempt.


You could install Linux and run Windows in a virtual machine. It makes
backup easy too, the whole Windows disk is a file in Linux.



  #53  
Old April 30th 18, 07:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 01:28:50 -0400, Paul
wrote:

3) Slug-slow NTFS stack. Fix it.


Do you have any examples of its sluggish performance? You've been very
informative so far.


Seek, access, stat(), Agent Ransack search: somewhere between 4000 and 10000
files per second.

Doesn't particularly seem to matter if accessed files are
already in the System Read Cache.

SATA SSD 85000 IOPS capability

NVMe SSD several times higher than SATA SSD capability

This means that people spending money on fancy storage,
aren't getting their moneys worth.

*******

File creation test (where file fits within $MFT on NTFS)
versus file creation on Linux TMPFS.

NTFS - about 4000 files per second created, in a large directory
- compiled with MinGW.
- test stopped, because it was going to take too long to complete
- when a file is small enough, it's stored inside the $MFT entry
and doesn't use regular clusters.

TMPFS - about 186000 files per second created (using the
same program, and compiling on GCC for Linux).
- finished in about 30 seconds or so.

The NTFS storage device in the test was a RAMDisk.
So we can't blame the lethargy on "seek time".
TMPFS is the Linux equivalent of a RAMDisk.
Ubuntu Studio LiveDVD used, because it has 8 million inodes for the test case.

I don't expect a journaled file system to go all that fast.
You'd probably find similar performance problems
in EXT4 if you looked. But I have the feeling that
not enough work has been done on NTFS. They *are*
adding features to NTFS, but it's for the purpose
or torturing people. It's not practical stuff.

As an example, use the Format command in Windows 10, and
notice there are new cluster size options. All the way back
to WinXP, the max cluster was 64KB (the default is 4KB).
Win10 supports even larger choices. But, there's no backward
compatibility. If I plug the volume with the larger clusters
into WinXP, all it does is give me a "Que?" as it doesn't
comprehend what that partition is, and can't mount it.
Naturally, when that "extra fat" NTFS hits Linux, it's
not going to be able to mount it either. Smells of
"exclusivity" kinda. There are other tricks, such
as using "compactOS:Always" as a way to prevent Linux
from performing certain operations on system files.
Since that one is based on a Reparse Point, Linux will not
be able to respond to that one at all. Which means you
must do "compactOS:Never" before heading to Linux. And even
then, I can find files that are still buggered, just not in
System32.

They mess around, but "only to break stuff".

Paul
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Old April 30th 18, 07:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 29/04/2018 21:56, Bob J Jones wrote:
What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or Windows 7?

Stated more clearly, what FUNCTIONALITY is of importance to you, that you
do on Windows 10 by virtue of the operating system alone?

There are already obvious things, so let's get them out of the way first.

What top-ten FUNCTIONALITY is on Windows 10 related directly to the OS?
1. 64-bit (I say it 1st only because others will but it isn't OS related)
2. Subscriptions & updates (if you want them - I don't - but some do)
3. Support (but that's a marketing decision - not technical functionality)
4. Cascaded menus (but this can be fudged on the newer operating systems)


Surely that's 4 things you can do in any Windows since and including XP?

I don't think there is anything at all.

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Old April 30th 18, 07:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:05:25 +0100, mechanic
wrote:


You mean that people should realise that it's no longer 2014? There
have been at least six OS upgrades since then.


The original question was:

What can you do on Windows 10 that you can't do on Windows XP or
Windows 7 ?

NOT "what's trendy" ?
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Old April 30th 18, 07:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30/04/2018 17:09, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:14:01 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:54:27 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that
isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user?


Me as a user? None.
I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer.
But as a consumer, none. Because I don't use Edge for my internet surfing.


Edge is my main browser but I feel as though I can't expect much out
of it and almost have to hold my breath while using it. Every other
browser seems superior but Edge's built-in bookmark syncing has
prevented me from losing a number of important links. I know this
functionality is available everywhere else but Edge's doesn't require
an extension or even to enter a username and password since it's
attached to the account you use logging into Windows.


You must have a gmail account surely?

Use Chrome and your bookmarks will sync to Chrome on your Linux systems
and Chrome on your Android phone too.

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Old April 30th 18, 07:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30/04/2018 14:56, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:33:12 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

https://www.winxdvd.com/answers/wind...windows-xp.htm

WTF? Did a Microsoft Marketing intern write that article?

The biggest deal in Windows 10 over WinXP/Win7 is MKV?
Huh?

Windows 10 supports MKV?
WinXP & Win7 don't support MKV?

Makes no sense.
At least not to me.


MKV support is not provided by the OS. It's provided by the Windows Media
Foundation library (WMF). It's the main multimedia library for the Windows
OS, and it's required by Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center, but
WMF is not required by the system. It's actually separate from the system,
and it can be removed entirely without fatally crippling the system. Unlike
MSIE where its libraries has been heavily used by the system.


Windows 10 supports h264 and MKV but has no understanding of h265
which is a fantastic, space-saving codec.


So no better than Windows 7.

Plus trivial to install free software to add support such as:
http://www.cccp-project.net/

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Old April 30th 18, 08:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:41:23 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 30/04/2018 14:56, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:33:12 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

https://www.winxdvd.com/answers/wind...windows-xp.htm

WTF? Did a Microsoft Marketing intern write that article?

The biggest deal in Windows 10 over WinXP/Win7 is MKV?
Huh?

Windows 10 supports MKV?
WinXP & Win7 don't support MKV?

Makes no sense.
At least not to me.

MKV support is not provided by the OS. It's provided by the Windows Media
Foundation library (WMF). It's the main multimedia library for the Windows
OS, and it's required by Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center, but
WMF is not required by the system. It's actually separate from the system,
and it can be removed entirely without fatally crippling the system. Unlike
MSIE where its libraries has been heavily used by the system.


Windows 10 supports h264 and MKV but has no understanding of h265
which is a fantastic, space-saving codec.


So no better than Windows 7.

Plus trivial to install free software to add support such as:
http://www.cccp-project.net/


Or Videolan (VLC) (freeware). handles MKV and h265. And runs
on XP or worse.
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Old April 30th 18, 10:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:37:26 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 30/04/2018 17:09, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:14:01 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:54:27 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

The question is what is inherently a functionality in Win10 (the OS) that
isn't in WinXP or Win7 that is useful to you, as a user?

Me as a user? None.
I only need the Edge browser because it's me as a software developer.
But as a consumer, none. Because I don't use Edge for my internet surfing.


Edge is my main browser but I feel as though I can't expect much out
of it and almost have to hold my breath while using it. Every other
browser seems superior but Edge's built-in bookmark syncing has
prevented me from losing a number of important links. I know this
functionality is available everywhere else but Edge's doesn't require
an extension or even to enter a username and password since it's
attached to the account you use logging into Windows.


You must have a gmail account surely?


Only because I have an Android phone but I try to avoid using Google
as much as possible because of how unethical the company is.

Use Chrome and your bookmarks will sync to Chrome on your Linux systems
and Chrome on your Android phone too.


I'm aware, but I'd rather Google has as little of my information as
possible.
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Old April 30th 18, 11:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30/04/2018 20:35, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:41:23 +0100, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 30/04/2018 14:56, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 10:33:12 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob J Jones wrote:

https://www.winxdvd.com/answers/wind...windows-xp.htm

WTF? Did a Microsoft Marketing intern write that article?

The biggest deal in Windows 10 over WinXP/Win7 is MKV?
Huh?

Windows 10 supports MKV?
WinXP & Win7 don't support MKV?

Makes no sense.
At least not to me.

MKV support is not provided by the OS. It's provided by the Windows Media
Foundation library (WMF). It's the main multimedia library for the Windows
OS, and it's required by Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center, but
WMF is not required by the system. It's actually separate from the system,
and it can be removed entirely without fatally crippling the system. Unlike
MSIE where its libraries has been heavily used by the system.

Windows 10 supports h264 and MKV but has no understanding of h265
which is a fantastic, space-saving codec.


So no better than Windows 7.

Plus trivial to install free software to add support such as:
http://www.cccp-project.net/


Or Videolan (VLC) (freeware). handles MKV and h265. And runs
on XP or worse.
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Well yes, if you don't mind always using VLC to play H.265.

Add CCCP and Windows Media Player will be able to play H.265.

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