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Old November 8th 18, 07:23 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Snit
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-----
Aqua introduced the idea of a GUI where every window was
double-buffered in memory, so that any redraws happen
off-screen and aren't visible
-----

Actual quotes shown there are on page 4 and 7.


aqua is os x, long after quickdraw in classic mac os, and very
different in all sorts of ways.


Right... the Aqua comment is about double-buffering to speed the process
and leads to less tearing and the like.


there's more to it than just that.
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Old November 8th 18, 08:14 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/8/18 11:23 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

-----
Aqua introduced the idea of a GUI where every window was
double-buffered in memory, so that any redraws happen
off-screen and aren't visible
-----

Actual quotes shown there are on page 4 and 7.

aqua is os x, long after quickdraw in classic mac os, and very
different in all sorts of ways.


Right... the Aqua comment is about double-buffering to speed the process
and leads to less tearing and the like.


there's more to it than just that.


Sure... though really my focus was on the first quote.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Old November 8th 18, 08:22 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
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excel never was on dos. multiplan was, but it was not as capable.

it was several years later when microsoft office appeared on windows.


Lotus?


lotus 123 has nothing to do with excel or multiplan, other than they're
spreadsheet apps. two different companies.
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Old November 8th 18, 09:22 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/8/18 12:12 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 09:45, Snit wrote:
On 11/7/18 9:33 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

microsoft word and excel were on a mac long before they were on
windows.
[...]

https://www.reference.com/technology...34eb9f5980d955


that refers to the dos version of word. read what i wrote. i did not
mention dos.

the dos version of word was very primitive in comparison to word on the
mac and later windows, greatly limited by dos. it did not do wysiwyg
and was at its core, a dos app with a mouse to perform dos commands.

http://toastytech.com/guis/word115load.png

the mac version of microsoft word was a complete rewrite from scratch,
using mac toolbox apis and with full wysiwyg, as were all apps on a
mac.


In the early '90s I used to teach computer classes to high school
students. I taught on even-then outdated one-piece Macs, using MS
Word. The other teachers taught on Word Perfect 5.1 on DOS. They kept
asking why I was teaching on such "toys" -- but even at the time I
realized the future was something LIKE what I was teaching with. I did
not know MS Word would remain the big name, or that Apple would even
survive, but I knew the future of computing was the GUI-driven, mouse
based, experience.


Interesting point. I think it was adumbrated when GEOS was created for
the Commodore 64. Later ported to the PC as Geoworks, it had all the
elements of current ubiquitous GUI: icons with labels (and een file-size
data), click to launch, etc.. The low rez monitors of the time made it
look like crap, but it was a powerful GUI.


You can see am emulator for Classic Mac OS he

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/

Now this is System 7, which is more advanced than the original 1984
version but also shares a LOT in common with it (biggest difference
likely being the ability to switch between running programs).

If you got the average high school student from today to use that they
would quickly figure it out -- the current systems borrow a LOT from it.
There would surely be issues such why the menus do not stay available if
you release the mouse and perhaps questions on even how to find apps,
but overall it would be a very familiar experience, even if showing a
very dated look.

excel never was on dos. multiplan was, but it was not as capable.

it was several years later when microsoft office appeared on windows.


Lotus?




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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Old November 8th 18, 09:23 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote:

About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would
about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about
as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest
iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off.


There is no such thing as a "wrong" size. Every size possible (within
reason) would be right, for someone.

The more sizes, the more choice, that is offered, the more people will
find something close to what is optimal for them.

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vast selection of choices tends to make people less happy in general.
After all, once you make the decision and get locked in, you never
stop thinking "What if."' - some thing, pulling snit out his ass.
  #66  
Old November 8th 18, 10:05 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/08/2018 1:57 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 12:56, chrisv wrote:
nospam wrote:

there are also ****loads of vertical market apps for tablets,
particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
more.


I'm wondering about the market shares, Android vs iOS, in those
"industrial" tablet markets.



Surface is getting some of that industrial/professional market, too,
which may be why MS has decided to go to Surface 4. There were rumours
that it would get out of the hardware market.

We'll see.



I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only
if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket, AND expand into a
27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)

Rene
  #67  
Old November 8th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
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I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke.

Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are
selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than
laptops displayed.


what's on display in a store is not an indication of how well they're
actually selling.


With Staples and the Source, it usually is. They don't restock stuff
that takes too long to sell. That is relegated to their online store,
and quite often isn't restocked there either. Retail is brutal.


you have no idea what their stock level is or how many units they move
per day/week/month.

They do what most people want: surf the web, email,
photo, and video, plus connect to anything wi-fi or Bluetooth. Most
people do _not_ want to add all kinds of programs to their devices, or
tweak them with 3rd party hardware and software.


not true.


I referred to low-end tablets, a reference you conveniently snipped. Low
end tablets are limited, sure, but the users I know are happy they have
them.


low end tablets can run apps just as easily as high end tablets,
although the more advanced apps won't work as well, or at all.

a major example is adobe's recent announcement that the full photoshop
is coming to ipad. that's a major undertaking, something they would not
have done had there been no demand for it.


Yup, it's a recognition that more and more people want tablets to be
full-fledged computers.


tablets *are* full fledged computers, and in many cases, can do things
a desktop or laptop cannot, often in a more pleasant or more productive
way.

IOW, that the Surface has shown us the future of
personal computing. See also the "convertible" laptops.


no it definitely hasn't.

convertible laptops try to combine desktop and touch, two very
different paradigms, and don't do either one all that well.

The desktop is
already a niche market, the laptop is trending that way too.


you're confusing mature with niche.

A year or
three from now, people will be whinging about how tablets aren't real
computers,


they have been doing that since tablets first appeared, mostly from
people who don't know what a tablet can actually do.

just like they whinged that laptops weren't real computers.


yep, they did that too, and soon realized their mistake.

many people said anything with a gui wasn't real computer, something
dumbed down for the masses. they were wrong about that too.

FWIW, this big box is getting to be a PITA. It's big and bulky, and
offers no real advantage over a laptop or high-end tablet. I need the
space for other purposes, and will dispose of this machine within the
next 6 months or less. I doubt I'll find a buyer, and may not even be
able to give it away.


there's very little demand for used pcs, although you might be able to
flip it at a swap meet.

there are also ****loads of vertical market apps for tablets,
particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
more.


Yes, but these aren't for most people. They are business/profession
specific.


it shows that tablets can do a *lot* more than just surf the web, email
and play videos.

Some tablets are being
offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some
people want.


4g on tablets is for data, not voice, so that one can be connected when
wifi is not available, and since it's data-only, the fees are less.


A recent flyer from our local pusher highlighted the phone feature.


that means nothing.

what matters is whether people buy it for that purpose and actually use
it that way.

I've
noticed that people often hold the phone face up like a mini-tablet and
talk at it, not into it.


i've noticed that too. it's very weird.

So a tablet with phone is an obvious next step
I think.


it isn't.

who wants to carry a tablet-sized phone everywhere??

very, very few tablets can function as a normal cellphone. there's not
much point, especially with the larger 'phablet' phones.


True, for the moment. I think the market hasn't settled yet.


it mostly has. nearly everyone who wants a smartphone already has one.
sales are now mostly those upgrading from their previous smartphone.
there is very little growth left.

It could
turn out that the current large smartphones are too big for handy
phoning, but too small for handy computing. We'll see. A recent
resurgence in flip-phones suggests that a lot of people still aren't
surer exactly what they want a phone to be.


what resurgence? flipphone sales are lost in the noise. they could
double and nobody would notice, nor care.

About 5 years ago I argued that a handy size for a (smart) phone would
about that of a paperback. I was ridiculed. But the Samsung S9 is about
as tall as a paperback, but narrower (and of course thinner). The latest
iPhone is in the same size-range. So I wan't far off.


the dell streak was the first 5" phone and people thought it was
stupid. it failed (and not just due to size).

a year or two later, samsung came out with the note, mostly so it could
have a larger battery that could last longer than a few hours (early
lte chipsets were *very* power-hungry). it sold well, much to
everyone's surprise.

now, phablets are very popular, and the lte chipsets far more energy
efficient too.

not everyone wants a large phone, however, so there are also smaller
sizes.

choice is good.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

there are also ****loads of vertical market apps for tablets,
particularly health care, but also education, restaurants and much
more.


I'm wondering about the market shares, Android vs iOS, in those
"industrial" tablet markets.


Surface is getting some of that industrial/professional market, too,


it isn't in any significant numbers.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , chrisv
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There is no such thing as a "wrong" size. Every size possible (within
reason) would be right, for someone.


that's true, however, what matters more is whether it's worthwhile to
manufacture every size possible.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Snit
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You can see am emulator for Classic Mac OS he

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/

Now this is System 7, which is more advanced than the original 1984
version but also shares a LOT in common with it (biggest difference
likely being the ability to switch between running programs).


switching among multiple apps existed well before system 7.

If you got the average high school student from today to use that they
would quickly figure it out -- the current systems borrow a LOT from it.
There would surely be issues such why the menus do not stay available if
you release the mouse


that was an intentional ui decision, one which was later changed.

and perhaps questions on even how to find apps,


there's a reason why finder was called finder.

but overall it would be a very familiar experience, even if showing a
very dated look.


pretty much.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
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microsoft word and excel were on a mac long before they were on windows.


https://www.reference.com/technology...34eb9f5980d955


The first version of Word for the Mac was released in 1985.

The first version for Windows didn't arrive until 1989, and very nearly
the end of 1989 at that (November).


From the cuted souirce:

"Microsoft Word, first released in 1983 as "Multi-Tool Word," is a word
processor available as a standalone product and as a component in the
Microsoft Office suite. The first version of Microsoft Word was based on
the framework of Bravo, the world's first word processor with a
graphical user interface.

Following the renaming of Multi-Tool Word to Microsoft Word, Microsoft
released its first version of Word in October 1983 for the IBM PC. "

Seems like some people want to insist that the first Word, a non-WYSIWYG
program, was not Word.


seems like some people, namely you, is fixated on the dos version of
word when dos was *never* *mentioned*.

Well, if you want to quibble, the quibbling contest is over that-away.


it's not quibbling when you're yapping about irrelevant bits.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
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I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only
if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket,


originally a kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-smallest-4g-s
martphone

and now a real company:
https://www.unihertz.com

AND expand into a
27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)


that it doesn't do.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:35 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/08/2018 3:30 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

I use a landline phone for reliability, BUT I would buy a Cellphone only
if it had a 3 inch screen and fit in my shirt pocket,


originally a kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-smallest-4g-s
martphone

and now a real company:
https://www.unihertz.com

AND expand into a
27 inch screen when put into my teseract. :-)


that it doesn't do.


Dang, but they are hard to find.

Rene


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Old November 8th 18, 11:58 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.os2.ecomstation
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SilverSlimer wrote:
I never had the chance to use OS/2 for any significant length of time
since my hardware - when OS/2 was still competing - wasn't good enough
to run it and because the system itself seemed fairly counterintuitive
to me. Add the fact that software was scarce and there truly was little
reason to use it, IMO. My experience with IBM itself, at the time, was
also fairly negative so I'm not convinced that the PC platform would
have been better off had it won the race over Windows either.


I used it with substandard hardware (386 with 4MBs) by stripping it
down. No WPS was the big thing. Originally I used it as a DOS
replacement and it worked very well. Wanted to download stuff from a BBS
while doing other stuff, OS/2 just worked. Wanted to run 2+ Win3.1
programs without one crashing and taking the other down, OS/2 allowed
that, while downloading from a BBS.
Generally OS/2 was a better DOS and Windows. Used a better file system
with better caching, making it faster much of the time. Want to run and
multi-task multiple Win (and/or DOS) programs, OS/2 did it well.
Eventually I got more ram and a faster processor (33Mhz 486 DLC that
plugged into my 386 board) and started using the WPS and native programs
and never looked back.
Typing this on OS/2 running on real hardware.
Dave
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Old November 9th 18, 02:56 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-11-08 9:33 a.m., Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-08 08:48, SilverSlimer wrote:
[...]

I agree that on the tablet scene, Windows is a complete joke.

[...]

Um have you browsed Staples, etc lately? Even low-end tablets are
selling well, at the one I visit most, there are more tablets than
laptops displayed. They do what most people want: surf the web, email,
photo, and video, plus connect to anything wi-fi or Bluetooth. Most
people do _not_ want to add all kinds of programs to their devices, or
tweak them with 3rd party hardware and software. Some tablets are being
offered with 4G, ie, you can use them as a phone if you want. Some
people want.

And then there's the Surface. I have a Surface 2, it's a PC the size of
a sheet of paper, albeit somewhat thicker. ;-) It's our travel computer.
I'm trying to persuade myself I "need" a Surface 4, but so far my
Presbyterian hangover has stopped me form doing that. You know,
"self-discipline good, self-indulgence bad."


All I said was that Windows tablets were a joke because they... are... a
joke. I would know because I'm one of the fools who bought a fairly
well-specced one and haven't touched it in a long time.


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