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Application memory allocation in XP Pro
As my old Win98 system was getting a bit long in the tooth, I recently built a new Athlon 64 machine with 2GB of RAM running XP Pro. For testing the memory, I used a freeware program called MemTest from HCI Design, http://www.hcidesign.com. Despite having 2GB of RAM, the program balked at allocating the full 1700+ MB available. Instead, the program displayed the following, "Your version of Windows limits the amount of RAM a single program can allocate. You will need to run two copies of MemTest, and tell each to test 890 MB of RAM." Through fiddling with the memory setting in the program, I determined that the upper limit for RAM allocation for a single program on my machine was close to 1475 MB. My question is, if I had 4GB of RAM would this upper limit be higher by default or is it hard-wired, as it were, into XP pro? Yes, I do know about virtual memory and paging files. My question relates to actual RAM initially allocated to a program. Thanks in advance for any insight from XP experts. |
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Application memory allocation in XP Pro
Are you sure the memtest program is compatible with the cpu and ram? Is it
a program that runs from a floppy? -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "David K" wrote in message ... As my old Win98 system was getting a bit long in the tooth, I recently built a new Athlon 64 machine with 2GB of RAM running XP Pro. For testing the memory, I used a freeware program called MemTest from HCI Design, http://www.hcidesign.com. Despite having 2GB of RAM, the program balked at allocating the full 1700+ MB available. Instead, the program displayed the following, "Your version of Windows limits the amount of RAM a single program can allocate. You will need to run two copies of MemTest, and tell each to test 890 MB of RAM." Through fiddling with the memory setting in the program, I determined that the upper limit for RAM allocation for a single program on my machine was close to 1475 MB. My question is, if I had 4GB of RAM would this upper limit be higher by default or is it hard-wired, as it were, into XP pro? Yes, I do know about virtual memory and paging files. My question relates to actual RAM initially allocated to a program. Thanks in advance for any insight from XP experts. |
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Application memory allocation in XP Pro
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
Are you sure the memtest program is compatible with the cpu and ram? Fairly sure, but isn't that kind of irrelevant to my question? Again, the Memtest program indicated that although there was 1.8+ GB of unallocated RAM, XP Pro would only allocate about 1475 MB of that 1.8 GB to a single program. My question is, again, if my motherboard had 4 GB of RAM instead of 2 GB, would XP Pro permit more RAM allocation to a single program or is this ~1475 MB a fixed limit in XP Pro? Is it a program that runs from a floppy? It is an exe with no support files and can be run from just about any medium (floppy, hard drive, CD Rom, USB drive, Tape Drive...). |
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Application memory allocation in XP Pro
No, it is not irrelevant. An older memtest program might not see memory
beyond a point because it was not testing the right number of bits. Please post back with the name of the program and a link to download it. XP can allocate most of the 4GB memory space to a program. Virtual PC can allocate 3.6GB for virtual machine memory space with 2GB to any one virtual machine. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "David K" wrote in message ... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: Are you sure the memtest program is compatible with the cpu and ram? Fairly sure, but isn't that kind of irrelevant to my question? Again, the Memtest program indicated that although there was 1.8+ GB of unallocated RAM, XP Pro would only allocate about 1475 MB of that 1.8 GB to a single program. My question is, again, if my motherboard had 4 GB of RAM instead of 2 GB, would XP Pro permit more RAM allocation to a single program or is this ~1475 MB a fixed limit in XP Pro? Is it a program that runs from a floppy? It is an exe with no support files and can be run from just about any medium (floppy, hard drive, CD Rom, USB drive, Tape Drive...). |
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In default mode, an application can address 2G of the 4G allocated virtual
space. The other 2G is allocated to the system. There is a option that can be added to boot.ini that allows the application to address 3G, but that effectively disables some of the memory management improvements between Win2K and XP. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...ress_space.asp As for why this application can't handle the 2G application space is a different matter. You'll have to take it up with them. BTW: Using software based memory testing doesn't work very well within a running OS. -- Walter Clayton Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. "David K" wrote in message ... As my old Win98 system was getting a bit long in the tooth, I recently built a new Athlon 64 machine with 2GB of RAM running XP Pro. For testing the memory, I used a freeware program called MemTest from HCI Design, http://www.hcidesign.com. Despite having 2GB of RAM, the program balked at allocating the full 1700+ MB available. Instead, the program displayed the following, "Your version of Windows limits the amount of RAM a single program can allocate. You will need to run two copies of MemTest, and tell each to test 890 MB of RAM." Through fiddling with the memory setting in the program, I determined that the upper limit for RAM allocation for a single program on my machine was close to 1475 MB. My question is, if I had 4GB of RAM would this upper limit be higher by default or is it hard-wired, as it were, into XP pro? Yes, I do know about virtual memory and paging files. My question relates to actual RAM initially allocated to a program. Thanks in advance for any insight from XP experts. |
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote: No, it is not irrelevant. An older memtest program might not see memory beyond a point because it was not testing the right number of bits. Well it's irrelevant to me because I'm not concerned with Memtest's ability to fully allocate available RAM. Rather, I'm interested in XP Pro's general ability to allocate lots of RAM to a single application. Perhaps I wasn't clear in that regard. Please post back with the name of the program and a link to download it. I provided the link in my original post. Thanks for your help, Colin. No need to answer further, however, as I've obtained an answer from another forum. |
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"Walter Clayton" wrote:
BTW: Using software based memory testing doesn't work very well within a running OS. Oh yes? The Memtest program I mentioned sure found some problems with my memory (Corsair PC3200 memory rated at 2-2-2-5). It turns out that to use such timings, one should increase the memory voltage to about 2.75 volts. There are special "heat spreaders" (Corsair's term, not mine) on the RAM modules to dissipate the extra heat. Unfortunately, there is no such voltage information on the memory package. Only in digging through the Corsair web site after Memtest showed the problems did I find the data sheet for the specific ram. The data sheet indicated that "all tests were performed at 2.75 V". I later learned that the need to increase the voltage a bit for such "special" low latency ram is common knowledge among "overclockers". Once I upped the voltage to 2.7 V, the memory errors went away. As a margin test, I then temporally overclocked the machine (CPU + FSB) +5% and tested with Memtest again. With no errors detected, I lowered the clock back to normal where I'll keep it. So, you see, the Memtest program worked quite well for me because it revealed a memory problem (averaging about 1 error per 100 MB tested) that was corrected when I upped the memory voltage to the manufacturer's specified voltage. It should be noted that it is just such occasional RAM errors that are the most insidious. |
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