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  #31  
Old May 20th 18, 04:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 20 May 2018 08:44:06
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| since I _do_ use YouTube, I've left that bit be. (I can't remember where
| I got that information from - possibly you!)

It's news to me. I use DownloadHelper in Firefox.
If that can't get a video I don't see the video. I've
never streamed anything and don't plan to start.
So I don't need script, cookies, etc to see videos.


I keep having trouble with that - found vdyoutube.com which will
download Youtube Videos.

"works for me."


This recalls the discussion with VanguardLH. People
vary a lot in terms of what they do online. Someone
who does interactive things like shopping, watching
music videos, and using Facebook, for instance,
probably can't afford to improve their security and
privacy. Everything will break. They're already using
the Internet as interactive TV. So they've given up
most options aside from making entertainment choices.

There are trade-offs.


Always.

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  #32  
Old May 20th 18, 04:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
Mayayana wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote

| The hosts file lists *hosts*, not domains. That is why it is called a
| hosts file. There is no wildcarding. The hosts file was not created
| for the purpose of adblocking.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
|
| That Acrylic allows wildcarding is unique to that proxy in its
| interpretation of the content of the hosts file.
|
| I don't use Acrylic...

Yet you're determined to explain it. John understands.
And probably everyone else here does, too, without
needing links to the history of HOSTS files.


I was determined to find out WHICH file Acrylic actually used. You
misled by saying it was the 'hosts' file.


Nope, you didn't read (carefully enough) what you quoted:

Mayayana

Acrylic allows wildcards in its HOSTS file

/Mayayana

Note 'its'.

Your error was probably caused by replying to J. P. Gilliver's response
to Mayayana's response, instead of directly to Mayayana's response.

Anyway, Mayayana was clear, you made an error, acknowledge it and move
on.

[Rest of straw men / red herrings deleted.]
  #33  
Old May 20th 18, 05:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| I keep having trouble with that - found vdyoutube.com which will
| download Youtube Videos.
|

They must be too young to know that "vd" stands
for venereal disease.

I gave it a quick try, but it fails without referrer.
I'm guessing it probably also requires script. I think
a lot of methods will work if script is enabled and/or
if you play the video first.

But I agree that DH is limited. And it often needs
to have the latest version. As noted, I don't try
to download commercial stuff, like music videos.

Youtube-dl worked for me recently on something,
but I don't remember what it was.



  #34  
Old May 20th 18, 06:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
"Mayayana" on Sun, 20 May 2018 08:44:06
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| since I _do_ use YouTube, I've left that bit be. (I can't remember where
| I got that information from - possibly you!)

It's news to me. I use DownloadHelper in Firefox.


Me too - in Firefox 27.0.1. Maybe I'll try removing those #s and see if
things still work. I've noticed I sometimes can't save "commercial" type
things from YouTube - but I don't often want to: this is things like
music videos (official ones from the record companies I mean), films and
trailers for them, and such like, and I rarely want these.

If that can't get a video I don't see the video. I've
never streamed anything and don't plan to start.
So I don't need script, cookies, etc to see videos.


I keep having trouble with that - found vdyoutube.com which will
download Youtube Videos.

"works for me."

I like DownloadHelper because it's not YouTube-specific (and does seem
to work on a lot of sites).

This recalls the discussion with VanguardLH. People
vary a lot in terms of what they do online. Someone
who does interactive things like shopping, watching
music videos, and using Facebook, for instance,
probably can't afford to improve their security and
privacy. Everything will break. They're already using
the Internet as interactive TV. So they've given up
most options aside from making entertainment choices.

There are trade-offs.


Always.

Indeed. I buy (mostly from ebay), but I don't watch music videos or use
twitbook. Or bank. (I use telephone banking and find that's excellent.)
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  #35  
Old May 20th 18, 10:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 20 May 2018 12:21:56
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| I keep having trouble with that - found vdyoutube.com which will
| download Youtube Videos.
|

They must be too young to know that "vd" stands
for venereal disease.

I gave it a quick try, but it fails without referrer.
I'm guessing it probably also requires script. I think
a lot of methods will work if script is enabled and/or
if you play the video first.


What I find works is to look up the vid on Youtube. then insert
"vd" before youtube so that
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
becomes
www.vdyoutube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk

As for scripts - I know zilch.


But I agree that DH is limited. And it often needs
to have the latest version. As noted, I don't try
to download commercial stuff, like music videos.


it is always something. I usually avoid music videos. Back in
college, back in the stoner age when MTV showed music videos I
realized that I'd effectively "watched my radio" in the dorm lounge
for two hours, without having got anything else done.
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  #36  
Old May 20th 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| What I find works is to look up the vid on Youtube. then insert
| "vd" before youtube so that
| www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
| becomes
| www.vdyoutube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
|
I just tried your link. It downloaded very slowly
and then didn't work. The same link at YT worked.
Looking at the two in HxD, the VD one is about
3 MB bigger and has a different header. I don't
know anything about mp4 haders, but it's different
right from the start:

VD: ....ftypdash....iso6avc1mp41...¯moov...lmvhd

YT: ....ftypmp42....isommp42..åsmoov...lmvhd


  #37  
Old May 20th 18, 11:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| What I find works is to look up the vid on Youtube. then insert
| "vd" before youtube so that
| www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
| becomes
| www.vdyoutube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
|
I just tried your link. It downloaded very slowly
and then didn't work. The same link at YT worked.
Looking at the two in HxD, the VD one is about
3 MB bigger and has a different header. I don't
know anything about mp4 haders, but it's different
right from the start:

VD: ....ftypdash....iso6avc1mp41...¯moov...lmvhd

YT: ....ftypmp42....isommp42..åsmoov...lmvhd


Dash gets me this article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynami...ming_over_HTTP

But that doesn't tell me "how to play it".

What if you step through the file a bit, and look
for some other 4CC codes ?

Paul
  #38  
Old May 21st 18, 12:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 20 May 2018 17:38:30
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| What I find works is to look up the vid on Youtube. then insert
| "vd" before youtube so that
| www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
| becomes
| www.vdyoutube.com/watch?v=E5rGFZWQfzk
|
I just tried your link. It downloaded very slowly
and then didn't work. The same link at YT worked.
Looking at the two in HxD, the VD one is about
3 MB bigger and has a different header. I don't
know anything about mp4 haders, but it's different
right from the start:

VD: ....ftypdash....iso6avc1mp41...¯moov...lmvhd

YT: ....ftypmp42....isommp42..åsmoov...lmvhd


Same here. I have hacked my way around it to get it to work "for
me". Which is to say , more often than not I have to first find my
notes to remember what the steps are.

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Old May 21st 18, 01:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Paul" wrote

| VD: ....ftypdash....iso6avc1mp41...¯moov...lmvhd
|
| YT: ....ftypmp42....isommp42..åsmoov...lmvhd
|
| Dash gets me this article.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynami...ming_over_HTTP
|
| But that doesn't tell me "how to play it".
|
| What if you step through the file a bit, and look
| for some other 4CC codes ?
|
I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not
familiar with mp4 format, don't know what "4CC"
means, and don't know what streaming has to
do with it. I understood the site offered downloads.
Are you saying they stream it and send the stream?
I guess that's OK if it gets otherwise unavailable
videos, but since I've never used streaming I have
no idea what to do with the file.


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Old May 21st 18, 02:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Frank Slootweg wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
Mayayana wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote

| The hosts file lists *hosts*, not domains. That is why it is called a
| hosts file. There is no wildcarding. The hosts file was not created
| for the purpose of adblocking.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)
|
| That Acrylic allows wildcarding is unique to that proxy in its
| interpretation of the content of the hosts file.
|
| I don't use Acrylic...

Yet you're determined to explain it. John understands.
And probably everyone else here does, too, without
needing links to the history of HOSTS files.


I was determined to find out WHICH file Acrylic actually used. You
misled by saying it was the 'hosts' file.


Nope, you didn't read (carefully enough) what you quoted:

Mayayana

Acrylic allows wildcards in its HOSTS file

/Mayayana

Note 'its'.

Your error was probably caused by replying to J. P. Gilliver's response
to Mayayana's response, instead of directly to Mayayana's response.

Anyway, Mayayana was clear, you made an error, acknowledge it and move
on.


Then why say:

Acrylic allows wildcards in its HOSTS file

when what was meant was:

Acrylic allows wildcards in its AcrylicHosts.txt file

?

Acknowledge the misleading statement and move on.
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Old May 21st 18, 03:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| VD: ....ftypdash....iso6avc1mp41...¯moov...lmvhd
|
| YT: ....ftypmp42....isommp42..åsmoov...lmvhd
|
| Dash gets me this article.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynami...ming_over_HTTP
|
| But that doesn't tell me "how to play it".
|
| What if you step through the file a bit, and look
| for some other 4CC codes ?
|
I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not
familiar with mp4 format, don't know what "4CC"
means, and don't know what streaming has to
do with it. I understood the site offered downloads.
Are you saying they stream it and send the stream?
I guess that's OK if it gets otherwise unavailable
videos, but since I've never used streaming I have
no idea what to do with the file.


That header, the only thing it suggests to me,
is they have recorded all the packets sent from
a stream and squashed them together.

The more intelligent containers for video and images
use four character sequences, which denote the beginning
of a section. A player selects which ones of these it
understands and tries to play the content. It skips
the ones it doesn't understand, using a length field.

The 4CC codes not recognized, may typically contain metadata
added by some other tool. The idea would be, to examine
the video in a hex editor. You know the file is 3MB larger
than the other file, and that 3MB extra could be split between
header and trailer. So you really don't need to examine more than
about 3MB to decide whether there's anything interesting in there.

I don't know what's in there, or know whether this
can be played or not in the conventional sense of
passing a file to a player application.

Paul
 




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