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  #16  
Old April 28th 18, 02:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer Morningstar[_3_]
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Default "Microsoft is making another Windows variant: Windows 10 Lean"

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:35:36 -0500, a.m wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:17:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:53:39 -0000 (UTC), Suzuki Ichiro wrote:

On 2018/04/26, "...w¡ñ§±¤ñ" wrote:

The obvious intent is to allow prevent limited storage devices
being stuck on the as-shipped version of Windows. Development of
'Lean' though does not mean it will or will not become a
reality.

How much smaller is lean from regular windows?


It's supposed to take 2GB less hard disk space.


Not exactly that lean. If Microsoft were serious, they should make
sure that the operating system take no more than 2GB installed. I used
to run Windows 95 on a 500MB hard disk with space left over for games
and applications yet could complete most of the basic tasks I complete
today.


I used to run Newdos/80 on a 5 MB hard drive with plenty of
room left for games and programs!
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  #17  
Old April 28th 18, 02:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer Morningstar[_3_]
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Default "Microsoft is making another Windows variant: Windows 10 Lean"

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:01:07 -0500, a.m wrote:

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:53:03 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-04-27 12:35, a.m wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:17:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:53:39 -0000 (UTC), Suzuki Ichiro wrote:

On 2018/04/26, "...w¡ñ§±¤ñ" wrote:

The obvious intent is to allow prevent limited storage devices
being stuck on the as-shipped version of Windows. Development of
'Lean' though does not mean it will or will not become a
reality.

How much smaller is lean from regular windows?

It's supposed to take 2GB less hard disk space.

Not exactly that lean. If Microsoft were serious, they should make
sure that the operating system take no more than 2GB installed. I used
to run Windows 95 on a 500MB hard disk with space left over for games
and applications yet could complete most of the basic tasks I complete
today.


I think figuring out how to reduce the bloat is just not worth it from
MS's POV. Would cost too much time and money.


Probably not, but there truly is no reason for an operating system to
take the GBs that they currently do. Even Linux shouldn't be as large
post-installation as it is even though it's way smaller than Windows
is. I imagine that some of the bundled libraries take up space though.


There are people with skills to adapt programs to elderly machines.
I have an adaptation of Firefox that allows my G4 ibook to play
youtube full screen.
  #18  
Old April 28th 18, 02:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
NY
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"nospam" wrote in message
...
a 4tb hard drive is currently around $100


I live in the UK. When I bought a 4 TB drive about a year ago, it was about
£120. They are still about £90-£100. Factor in the currency conversion rate
of $1 = £0.73, that's a fair old mark-up that we have to pay in the UK,

Fuel is even more scary. Current price is around £1.23 / litre (not gallon)
for petrol (gasoline) and £1.25 for diesel. If my calculations are correct,
that's (1.23/0.73) * 3.8 [litres per US gallon] = $6.37 / US gallon.
https://www.gasbuddy.com/USA says prices are around $2.50 - $3.60, so UK
fuel is a real ripoff :-(

  #19  
Old April 28th 18, 04:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
A.M
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 12:57:38 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
wrote:

"a.m" wrote in message ...

Not exactly that lean. If Microsoft were serious, they should make
sure that the operating system take no more than 2GB installed. I used
to run Windows 95 on a 500MB hard disk with space left over for games
and applications yet could complete most of the basic tasks I complete
today.


Today, Win95 as a base reference 23 yrs later is a pipe dream.

No more than 2GB installed ?
Easy...Windows 'Click to Run' approach
- Install minimal and pull down from the cloud to RAM as needed.


I like that approach though I would allow the user to have the
ability to install the application to HD if they intend to use it
regularly or offline. Let's hope that Microsoft is reading these posts
(unlikely) and getting ideas.
  #20  
Old April 28th 18, 04:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
A.M
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:09:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 04/27/2018 01:59 PM, NY wrote:

[snip]

My first PC had a 20 MB (yes, megabyte) hard drive, and was designed for
running DOS.

I managed to install Windows 3 on it (from a stack of floppies), running
in a restricted 8086 mode because that's all my PC had. OK, there was no
space left for any other apps, and I had to remove things to make the
space, but it shows that Windows 3 would run on a 20 MB hard drive.


I had a 386SX with 30MB hard drive. The drive controller had a problem
that made it incompatible with protected mode.

BTW, Windows (3.1) used the save file system as DOS, so my old backup
batch file worked, to backup everything to 10 1.44MB floppies.


And when you restored from backup, you discovered that floppy #7 had
bad sectors.
  #21  
Old April 28th 18, 04:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
A.M
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:57:29 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:01:07 -0500, a.m wrote:

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:53:03 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-04-27 12:35, a.m wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:17:12 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 10:53:39 -0000 (UTC), Suzuki Ichiro wrote:

On 2018/04/26, "...w¡ñ§±¤ñ" wrote:

The obvious intent is to allow prevent limited storage devices
being stuck on the as-shipped version of Windows. Development of
'Lean' though does not mean it will or will not become a
reality.

How much smaller is lean from regular windows?

It's supposed to take 2GB less hard disk space.

Not exactly that lean. If Microsoft were serious, they should make
sure that the operating system take no more than 2GB installed. I used
to run Windows 95 on a 500MB hard disk with space left over for games
and applications yet could complete most of the basic tasks I complete
today.


I think figuring out how to reduce the bloat is just not worth it from
MS's POV. Would cost too much time and money.


Probably not, but there truly is no reason for an operating system to
take the GBs that they currently do. Even Linux shouldn't be as large
post-installation as it is even though it's way smaller than Windows
is. I imagine that some of the bundled libraries take up space though.


There are people with skills to adapt programs to elderly machines.
I have an adaptation of Firefox that allows my G4 ibook to play
youtube full screen.


I have to say that if I used a G4 today, it would exclusively be used
for word processing and e-mail. Browsing is a possibility, obviously,
as it was back then but I doubt that most browsers available for the
platform can display today's pages correctly. If you have one that
runs Youtube properly and full-screen at that then someone out there
needs to be commended for their dedication to long-abandoned
processors.
  #22  
Old April 28th 18, 04:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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NY wrote:
"a.m" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 12:17:12 +0100, mechanic
How much smaller is lean from regular windows?

It's supposed to take 2GB less hard disk space.


Not exactly that lean. If Microsoft were serious, they should make
sure that the operating system take no more than 2GB installed. I used
to run Windows 95 on a 500MB hard disk with space left over for games
and applications yet could complete most of the basic tasks I complete
today.


My first PC had a 20 MB (yes, megabyte) hard drive, and was designed for
running DOS.

I managed to install Windows 3 on it (from a stack of floppies), running in
a restricted 8086 mode because that's all my PC had. OK, there was no space
left for any other apps, and I had to remove things to make the space, but
it shows that Windows 3 would run on a 20 MB hard drive.


What a ridiculously big HD! :-)

What's wrong with running a (real) UNIX system on a 5MB HD, with room
to spare! :-) [1]

[1] 1983 era. Don't remember the memory size, probably 512KB or so.
  #23  
Old April 28th 18, 07:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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a.m wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:09:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

[...]
BTW, Windows (3.1) used the save file system as DOS, so my old backup
batch file worked, to backup everything to 10 1.44MB floppies.


And when you restored from backup, you discovered that floppy #7 had
bad sectors.


And then you just used PC-Tools to 'revive' the bad sectors. Well,
with some luck.

Anyway, there no such thing as 1.44 'floppies'! :-)
  #24  
Old April 28th 18, 07:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04/28/2018 10:18 AM, a.m wrote:

[snip]

And when you restored from backup, you discovered that floppy #7 had
bad sectors.


But the other backup probably wouldn't have bad sectors. Then I knew the
importance of keeping more than one backup.

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http://notstupid.us/

"The scientific mind does not so much provide the right answers as ask
the right questions." -- Claude Lévi-Strauss
  #25  
Old April 30th 18, 03:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-04-28 14:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
a.m wrote:
On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:09:00 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

[...]
BTW, Windows (3.1) used the save file system as DOS, so my old backup
batch file worked, to backup everything to 10 1.44MB floppies.

And when you restored from backup, you discovered that floppy #7 had
bad sectors.


And then you just used PC-Tools to 'revive' the bad sectors. Well,
with some luck.

Anyway, there no such thing as 1.44 'floppies'! :-)


Well, hereabouts there were. ;-)


I know. Hereabouts (The Netherlands) there were as well.

It's a language thing.


Yup, the bad language variety. Just try to 'flop' a diskette! :-)
 




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