Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

"Chris H." wrote in message
...
See you, root.

Is the troll threatening? Is there anyone at MS to report NG abusive
behavior to?

Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"root" wrote in message
...
Yes, now take you off topic troll out of here.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:52 +0100, lonny wrote:

Mike Kolitz wrote:
fact
is that it was widely announced on the web


... but not by Microsoft.


and is widely available for
download.


... but not from Microsoft.

If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be
my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the
final release... and download it from Microsoft.

I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely
available on the net.
Lon

PS. nice troll ;-)

OK. Put up or shut up: post the URL for this on the MS website.

I think you meant "Longhorn" not "Lonestar", one is the codename for
the next Windows version, the other is the nickname for the state of
"Texas" - you must have "Bush" on your mind.


--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service
--------------------------------------------------------
"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't
sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to
benchmark it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.

It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about
unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is.
We've
been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or
supported.
None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was
as easy
as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're
not at
liberty to discuss. Geez.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products
from
Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Woody" wrote in message
...
So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of
us
"we"s,
fill your boots.

Woody

"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message
...
"We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to
talk about
it
due
to a non-disclosure agreement.

Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever
they
want.

--
Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000
MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment


"Woody" wrote in message
...
Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything
"we"
want.

And who do you mean by "we"?

Woody

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk
about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups
for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone -
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
...
How does it work compared to RC2?

Nope I meant Lonestar.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Star Fleet Admiral Q"
wrote in message
...
I think you meant "Longhorn" not "Lonestar", one is the codename for
the next Windows version, the other is the nickname for the state of
"Texas" - you must have "Bush" on your mind.


--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service
--------------------------------------------------------
"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't
sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to
benchmark it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.

It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about
unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is.
We've
been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or
supported.
None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was
as easy
as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're
not at
liberty to discuss. Geez.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products
from
Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Woody" wrote in message
...
So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of
us
"we"s,
fill your boots.

Woody

"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message
...
"We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to
talk about
it
due
to a non-disclosure agreement.

Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever
they
want.

--
Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000
MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment


"Woody" wrote in message
...
Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything
"we"
want.

And who do you mean by "we"?

Woody

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk
about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups
for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone -
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
...
How does it work compared to RC2?

Whether you physically signed your signature, or clicked the "agree"
button when you downloaded the file, it means the same - you agree to
the terms in which MS put on you downloading the file. Again the EULA
was agreed upon when you installed the software. Two different
things - Two different agreements.

--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service
--------------------------------------------------------
"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the
street that
downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta
tester. And
I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted
nothing
that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.

Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't
tell me
what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making
blanket
statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.

It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or
lackthereof) to the
group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
posting.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you
agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your
agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after
you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the
Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has
any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta
testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they
now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it
is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the
earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm
a
cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service
pack
when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first
available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much
consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I
didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I
agreed
to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am
not
publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are
none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook!
Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in
message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want
to
call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP
2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but
that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous
when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems
you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly
know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for
months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different
things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can
happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at
liberty
to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply
said
I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the
beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first
available
to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
Nope I meant Lonestar.

And I meant 2162G, anyone?

Josh;
You seem to have ignored an important part of my post as you seem to
have ignored responsibilities of a Beta tester.
You ask "Where's this "evidence" you speak of?"
In the part of my post you seemed to miss, posted again below:
"To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities."
The evidence you speak of is there.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the
street that
downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta
tester. And
I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted
nothing
that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.

Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't
tell me
what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making
blanket
statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.

It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or
lackthereof) to the
group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
posting.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you
agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your
agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after
you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the
Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has
any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta
testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they
now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it
is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the
earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm
a
cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service
pack
when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first
available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much
consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I
didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I
agreed
to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am
not
publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are
none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook!
Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in
message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want
to
call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP
2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but
that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous
when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems
you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly
know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for
months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different
things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can
happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at
liberty
to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply
said
I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the
beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first
available
to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies

NobodyMan wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:52 +0100, lonny wrote:


Mike Kolitz wrote:

fact
is that it was widely announced on the web


... but not by Microsoft.



and is widely available for
download.


... but not from Microsoft.

If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be
my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the
final release... and download it from Microsoft.

I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely
available on the net.
Lon

PS. nice troll ;-)


OK. Put up or shut up: post the URL for this on the MS website.

Why on the MS website? You lost me in one sentence.
Lonny

"Lonestar:" Next Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u..._tabletpc.mspx
--
All the Best,
Kelly

Microsoft-MVP Windows® XP
2004 Windows MVP "Winny" Award

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Taskbar Repair Tool Plus!
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm


"Star Fleet Admiral Q"
wrote in message
...
I think you meant "Longhorn" not "Lonestar", one is the codename for
the next Windows version, the other is the nickname for the state of
"Texas" - you must have "Bush" on your mind.


--

Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service
--------------------------------------------------------
"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't
sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to
benchmark it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.

It has never been the policy of this newsgroup to muzzle talk about
unreleased software. I don't see what y'all think the big deal is.
We've
been talking about Lonestar for months. That's not released or
supported.
None of the SP2 builds are. Public or not. Getting on the beta was
as easy
as sending an email. This isn't some top secret project that we're
not at
liberty to discuss. Geez.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products
from
Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Woody" wrote in message
...
So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of
us
"we"s,
fill your boots.

Woody

"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message
...
"We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to
talk about
it
due
to a non-disclosure agreement.

Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever
they
want.

--
Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000
MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment


"Woody" wrote in message
...
Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything
"we"
want.

And who do you mean by "we"?

Woody

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk
about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups
for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone -
http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
...
How does it work compared to RC2?

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Josh;
You seem to have ignored an important part of my post as you seem to
have ignored responsibilities of a Beta tester.
You ask "Where's this "evidence" you speak of?"
In the part of my post you seemed to miss, posted again below:
"To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities."
The evidence you speak of is there.

Does it ****ing matter?
Lon

Is it S.A.F.E?
Lon

Josh Einstein wrote:

I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

"CZ" wrote in message
...
How does it work compared to RC2?

root:

Build 2162 is not for the general public.

Use with caution, as it pirated.

Build 2149 is the last XP SP2 RC2 for the general public.

Anyone with legal access to this build is constrained from talking about it
in public forums. If you downloaded it from a public site or otherwise
obtained it without Microsoft's consent, then you are using pirated,
possibly contaminated software.

These are Microsoft's newsgroups, supporting released products from
Microsoft. Anything else is unsupported.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Woody" wrote in message
...
So you must be refering to Terri and yourself. For the rest of us "we"s,
fill your boots.

Woody

"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message
...
"We" would refer to those who are legally obligated not to talk about it
due
to a non-disclosure agreement.

Those not bound by an NDA are welcome to talk about whatever they want.

--
Mike Kolitz MCSE 2000
MS-MVP - Windows Setup / Deployment


"Woody" wrote in message
...
Since this is a public group, "we" can talk about anything "we" want.

And who do you mean by "we"?

Woody

"terri" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but since it isn't a public release, we can't talk about it.

If you're on the tech beta, you can check those newsgroups for
discussions.

--
Terri Stratton
Microsoft Windows MVP / Tablet PC
http://thetabletpc.net
Expert Zone - http://microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/default.asp


"root" wrote in message
...
How does it work compared to RC2?

"Mike Kolitz" wrote in message
...
fact
is that it was widely announced on the web

... but not by Microsoft.

Not relevant.

Mike Kolitz wrote:
fact
is that it was widely announced on the web


... but not by Microsoft.


and is widely available for
download.


... but not from Microsoft.

If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be
my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the
final release... and download it from Microsoft.

I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely
available on the net.
Lon

PS. nice troll ;-)