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  #61  
Old July 23rd 04, 09:06 PM
Alex Nichol
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh Einstein wrote:

I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.


If you are on the beta then you did sign an NDA. You may be on the
Technical Preview, which has allowed access to RC1 and RC2 - but I am
not sure about test builds such as the one mentioned


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
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  #62  
Old July 23rd 04, 10:24 PM
Josh Einstein
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the street that
downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta tester. And
I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted nothing
that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.

Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't tell me
what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making blanket
statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.


It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or lackthereof) to the
group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
posting.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #63  
Old July 23rd 04, 11:19 PM
root
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful,


Just NO, troll.


  #64  
Old July 23rd 04, 11:19 PM
NobodyMan
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:07:47 +0100, lonny wrote:

NobodyMan wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:20:27 +0100, lonny wrote:


NobodyMan wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:52 +0100, lonny wrote:



Mike Kolitz wrote:


fact
is that it was widely announced on the web


... but not by Microsoft.




and is widely available for
download.


... but not from Microsoft.

If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be
my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the
final release... and download it from Microsoft.

I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely
available on the net.
Lon

PS. nice troll ;-)


OK. Put up or shut up: post the URL for this on the MS website.

Why on the MS website? You lost me in one sentence.
Lonny



Read you own post. You stated "I got it direct from the microsoft
website, a linke that is wdiely available on the net."

Again I say: Put up or shut up. Post the URL for this you found on
the MS website.



Why would I want to post it on the MS website? Aha, you want me to post
it here, is that it? OK, I go look for it for you :-)
Lon


YES! You keep claiming you found this built on the MS Website. OK,
then, POST THE DAMN URL. That's what I keep asking you to do. Put
your money where your mouth is (although it appears there isn't enough
money in the entire universe to fill your mouth).

  #65  
Old July 23rd 04, 11:35 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things

entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies







  #66  
Old July 23rd 04, 11:59 PM
Chris H.
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

We are trying to be helpful, Josh, but are having a difficult time
communicating with you. There are a couple points you really do need to
understand:

1. The technical beta aspect and what goes on there is NDA. Period. You
cannot discuss, hint or otherwise reveal anything from within the beta
itself. Any questions you may have are to be directed to the technical beta
newsgroups only.

2. The public preview version of XPSP2 has had two releases, RC1 and RC2.
What is in those releases is in public domain, but discussion is to take
place in the public preview newsgroups (from the URL I offered).

Please direct your discussions to the appropriate areas.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider

myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't

sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to

don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies



  #67  
Old July 24th 04, 03:50 AM
Alex Nichol
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh Einstein wrote:

I don't know about the rest of you but I am on the beta and I didn't sign
any non-disclosure agreements to get there. I'm not allowed to benchmark it
or redistribute it, but I'm not prohibited from talking about it.


If you are on the beta then you did sign an NDA. You may be on the
Technical Preview, which has allowed access to RC1 and RC2 - but I am
not sure about test builds such as the one mentioned


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)
  #68  
Old July 24th 04, 04:19 AM
Josh Einstein
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the street that
downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta tester. And
I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted nothing
that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.

Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't tell me
what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making blanket
statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.


It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or lackthereof) to the
group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
posting.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies








  #69  
Old July 24th 04, 04:26 AM
root
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
We are trying to be helpful,


Just NO, troll.


  #70  
Old July 24th 04, 04:26 AM
NobodyMan
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Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:07:47 +0100, lonny wrote:

NobodyMan wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:20:27 +0100, lonny wrote:


NobodyMan wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:07:52 +0100, lonny wrote:



Mike Kolitz wrote:


fact
is that it was widely announced on the web


... but not by Microsoft.




and is widely available for
download.


... but not from Microsoft.

If you want to download a beta service pack from CrazyJimmy's FTP server, be
my guest, but don't complain when it doesn't work right. Just wait for the
final release... and download it from Microsoft.

I got it direct from the microsoft website, a link that is wdiely
available on the net.
Lon

PS. nice troll ;-)


OK. Put up or shut up: post the URL for this on the MS website.

Why on the MS website? You lost me in one sentence.
Lonny



Read you own post. You stated "I got it direct from the microsoft
website, a linke that is wdiely available on the net."

Again I say: Put up or shut up. Post the URL for this you found on
the MS website.



Why would I want to post it on the MS website? Aha, you want me to post
it here, is that it? OK, I go look for it for you :-)
Lon


YES! You keep claiming you found this built on the MS Website. OK,
then, POST THE DAMN URL. That's what I keep asking you to do. Put
your money where your mouth is (although it appears there isn't enough
money in the entire universe to fill your mouth).

  #71  
Old July 24th 04, 04:34 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the

earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a

cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack

when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first

available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much

consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I

didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed

to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are

none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only

$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to

call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems

you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly

know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for

months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things

entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can

happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty

to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said

I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the

beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available

to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies







  #72  
Old July 24th 04, 04:39 AM
Chris H.
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

We are trying to be helpful, Josh, but are having a difficult time
communicating with you. There are a couple points you really do need to
understand:

1. The technical beta aspect and what goes on there is NDA. Period. You
cannot discuss, hint or otherwise reveal anything from within the beta
itself. Any questions you may have are to be directed to the technical beta
newsgroups only.

2. The public preview version of XPSP2 has had two releases, RC1 and RC2.
What is in those releases is in public domain, but discussion is to take
place in the public preview newsgroups (from the URL I offered).

Please direct your discussions to the appropriate areas.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider

myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't

sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to

don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not

publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies



  #73  
Old July 24th 04, 05:00 AM
root
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??


"Chris H." wrote in message
...
See you, root.


Is the troll threatening? Is there anyone at MS to report NG abusive
behavior to?

Chris H.
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"root" wrote in message
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Yes, now take you off topic troll out of here.





  #74  
Old July 24th 04, 07:06 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things

entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen

with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to

talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm

not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,

technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to

those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies



  #75  
Old July 24th 04, 07:06 AM
Josh Einstein
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Default Anyone tried XP SP2 post RC2 build 2162 ??

I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
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http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively

discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things

entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can happen

with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new

features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty to

talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said I'm

not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the beta,

technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available to

those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies





 




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