SP2 - WHY?????

Thanks for the link. I'll look it over. Oh, I am sure I will download it,
both in Spanish and in English :-)

Alias

"Dick Kistler" wrote

Alias wrote:
"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message
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Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked

Got that with Google for IE and Mozilla has it integrated in the
browser.

* Revamped firewall on by default

My Sygate is better.

* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments

Another thing to disable ...

* Origins of downloaded files logged

Wow! Just curious, what does that do for me?

* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default

Another thing to disable ..

* Some spyware blocked

As well as Spybot, Search and Destroy, Spywareblaster and
Spywareguard?

* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates

Another thing to disable.

* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus,
updates and firewall

What a waste of time.

* Protection against buffer over-runs

Whoa, something I don't already have! What does that do for me?

* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default

Should have never been put in XP to begin with. If I want a messenger
program, I know where to get them.

* New WI-FI setup Wizard

Considering how expensive WI-FI is at present, so what?

* etc etc
* etc etc

That's it?

No, its not, look here if you are really interested-8 pages of changes:


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2chngs.mspx

It's a free country, don't install it if you don't want to. It means a
more
secure, more bug free OS to the rest of us. I installed it last Monday-the
only differences I see are that now I have automatic updates on(a trial,
we'll see how it goes) and I've been able to install the newest TouchPad
drivers that I wasn't able to before. Everything else-apps, drivers,
network, etc.-are working as advertised. So I can't see what the fuss is
about.

Dick Kistler

Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were reported
here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding, considerae and
helpful.


Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but people are
critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking those with problems
and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here
especially from several MVP's to be very rude!

Testy



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Well, I remember when SP1 was first released and many problems were reported
here. The vast majority of people were understanding, considerate and
helpful.


Now with the release of SP2 problems are still reported here but people are
critical, condescending and spend more time attacking those with problems
and defending SP2 than they do helping people. I find the whole tone here
especially from several MVP's to be very rude!

Testy



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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:10:35 -0400, "Dick Kistler"
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"Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ...
Testy,
The article you refer to says:

"Some programs seem to stop ......"

It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled. Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on their women to put up with dirty men!!

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha! Not installing SP2 == Joining Taliban!

What does driving a 15 year old car get me?

I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again.

What exactly has Windows won? World dominance? Wait, they already have that!

Another victory for the Evil Empire! I can hardly wait to have the
Microsoft Logo embossed on my driver's license or my National ID card.
Be the first to get yours Dick, but don't forget to activate it!

Testy wrote:
Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were
reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding,
considerae and helpful.


Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but
people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking
those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I
find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very
rude!
Testy

So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you
think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux
groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make
a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you
don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant
newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve
the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even
think about asking a question until you read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its
suggestions.

The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there.

Dick Kistler


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Another victory for the Evil Empire! I can hardly wait to have the
Microsoft Logo embossed on my driver's license or my National ID card.
Be the first to get yours Dick, but don't forget to activate it!

Well, I'm waiting for the barcode on my forehead, but I haven't figured out
how to do the activation yet.

Dick

Well I expect linux users to be rude and ignorant, however that was not the
case here until recently.

Testy

"Dick Kistler" wrote in message
...
Testy wrote:
Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were
reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding,
considerae and helpful.


Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but
people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking
those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I
find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very
rude!
Testy

So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you
think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux
groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to
make a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if
you don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all
relevant newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways
to solve the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And
don't even think about asking a question until you read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its
suggestions.

The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there.

Dick Kistler


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Testy wrote:
Well I expect linux users to be rude and ignorant, however that was
not the case here until recently.


Yup, that's me, rude and arrogant. the reason I can see so far is that I'm
surrounded by dwarves.

Dick

Ok so wait if you think that M$ has done such a good job with XP.
Nobody is twisting your arm to install SP2. What is the problem?

Rick

tony wrote:
What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony

Dick Kistler wrote:

Testy wrote:


Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were
reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding,
considerae and helpful.


Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but
people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking
those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I
find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very
rude!
Testy



So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you
think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux
groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make
a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you
don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant
newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve
the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even
think about asking a question until you read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its
suggestions.

The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there.

Dick Kistler


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I've never had a problem in the few linux groups I posted in.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams

My computer was very secure before SP2 I do not need MS to do my work for me, as for future "enhancements" we will have to see if they are really worth it.

Agreed. And I will wait until SP2a, and then see if I need it.



"Testy" wrote in message ...
Wow from SP2 to a tirade about the Taliban quite a jump! My computer was very secure before SP2 I do not need MS to do my work for me, as for future "enhancements" we will have to see if they are really worth it.

Testy


"Micosoft Preferred Customer" wrote in message ...
Testy,
The article you refer to says:

"Some programs seem to stop ......"

It does not say definitely that there are problems. It is the perception of sceptic like yourself. In any case, what are you going to do now that SP2 is here and future security enhancements will depend on SP2 preinstalled. Surely, it is time to accomodate SP2 if you want to progress in the 21st century. Taliban tried to live in their own small world and look what a fine mess they are in!! They don't even have electric shavers. No wonder men in Afghanistan have dirty beards growing in unusual places!! I feel pity on their women to put up with dirty men!!

I have just heard that the City of Munich will now not migrate its desktop to Linux because the TCO is higher using Linux. So Windows has won here again.

Regards,




Testy wrote:

And some of the problems when you do....
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Testy

"Micosoft Preferred Customer"
wrote in message ...
Tony,

The benefits of SP2 are as follows:

* Pop-up ads blocked
* Revamped firewall on by default
* Outlook Express, Internet Explorer and Windows Messenger warn about
attachments
* Origins of downloaded files logged
* Web graphics in e-mail no longer loaded by default
* Some spyware blocked
* Users regularly reminded about Windows Updates
* Security Centre brings together information about anti-virus, updates
and
firewall
* Protection against buffer over-runs
* Windows Messenger Service turned off by default
* New WI-FI setup Wizard
* etc etc
* etc etc

Is there anything else you want to know about SP2? Incidentlly, if you
want
autoupdate for your system then it is anytime today 18/08/2004.

SP2 is with us and so we should [all] make use of it.

Best regards,



tony wrote:

What is wrong with all of the authors in this newsgroup. What is the
hurry
about installing SP2?
Haven't they learnt yet that it isn't wise to install a new package as
soon
as it is available as there
will no doubt be many bugs that will need updating within the first
month.
(A lot of you will be aware of the ZoneAlarm 5 fiasco!)
I personally will not be updating with SP2 until I have seen what the
feedback is like in this and
other groups.
Good luck to all
Tony



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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:52:48 -0400, "Dick Kistler"
wrote:

Testy wrote:
Well, I remember when SP1 wasfirst released and many problems were
reported here. The vast majaroruty of prople were understanding,
considerae and helpful.


Now eith the release of SP2 problems are still reported her but
people are critical, condenscending and spend more time attacking
those with problems and defendinf SP2 than they do helping people. I
find the whole tone here especially from several MVP's to be very
rude!
Testy

So far, in this thread, I haven't seen anybody with a real problem. If you
think the microsoft groups are rude, you should try some of the linux
groups. Over there, before a question is considered, the poster has to make
a substantial effort to solve the problem on his own. That means if you
don't give evidence that you have searched Google, searched all relevant
newsgroups, mailing lists, buglists, etc., and tried 5 or 6 ways to solve
the problem on your own, they won't give you a civil reply. And don't even
think about asking a question until you read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. And comply with its
suggestions.

The Linux people don’t help new comers to Linux. They expect you to
become a programmer and know everything. They also tell you to go
out and buy a book. And they are wandering why people are not moving
to Linux. Duh.

The old Linux people don’t even use kde desktop, they use what I call
a command line for everything. Like dos.


Not everybody has time to answer all the questions here either.
Now, Some are rude and so are some of the post asking the questions
I not talking about mvp people either. Also, my post may appear
rude. I don’t mean it to be. I just have trouble putting things
into writing. So could other people. Some people try to joke but
come across as being rude. I have not see anyone mvp be rude unless
someone was being rude to them.


Greg R


Greg

The posters here are milqtoasts compared to the ones there.

Dick Kistler


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The Linux people don't help new comers to Linux. They expect you to
become a programmer and know everything. They also tell you to go
out and buy a book. And they are wandering why people are not moving
to Linux. Duh.

Yes, you're right, they tell you to go out and buy a book. Yes, they're
probably
right, you would learn Linux quicker and better if you go buy a book and
read it. Yes, you're right, some people are turned off by such an attitude:
That you should try to learn about Linux on your own. Yes, they are right
that you would probably be in a better position to solve problems in the
future if you learned more about Linux on your own. Windows too.


The old Linux people don't even use kde desktop, they use what I call
a command line for everything. Like dos.

Doubtful that many Linux users only use the command line interface. Likely
that
many Linux users use BOTH the command line and graphical user interface.



Not everybody has time to answer all the questions here either.
Now, Some are rude and so are some of the post asking the questions
I not talking about mvp people either. Also, my post may appear
rude. I don't mean it to be. I just have trouble putting things
into writing. So could other people. Some people try to joke but
come across as being rude. I have not see anyone mvp be rude unless
someone was being rude to them.

My own opinion is that a great many of the posters here would solve
their problems quicker on Google than they do here. And that many more could
solve their problems just by reading previous posts on this newsgroup.

It's hard to be too sympathetic to people that don't figure out those two
things.

Some people would say that there are no stupid questions. Any school kid
can tell you that there are at least two stupid questions. The first is a
question
that shows that you aren't listening. The second is a question that shows
that
you haven't done your homework. These statements also hold true on these
and any other newsgroups.

Dick Kistler

The only real stupid question is the one that isn't asked.
If there is anyone here who can't understand that basic fact, they
should either go away or calmly and politely learn to live with it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Dick Kistler" wrote in message news:%
Some people would say that there are no stupid questions. Any school
kid
can tell you that there are at least two stupid questions. The first
is a question
that shows that you aren't listening. The second is a question that
shows that
you haven't done your homework. These statements also hold true on
these
and any other newsgroups.

Dick Kistler

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
The only real stupid question is the one that isn't asked.
If there is anyone here who can't understand that basic fact, they should
either go away or calmly and politely learn to live with it.

--

So legend says. But if you don't ask the question, and go find
a book with the answer in it, or figure out the solution on your own
by some other means, you will have solved your problem and
learned something(maybe many things) that you can use in the future.
In addition, you have learned that you can solve some problems on
your own. And you have put yourself in a position to ask better
questions in the future, since by knowing more, you can ask more
pertinent questions.

While I think that you have to ask questions to learn, it is more useful
in both the short and long runs to use all the facilities and capabilities
available to solve problems.

I stand by my previous post.

Dick Kistler