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sp2 windows update bug?
"LVTravel" wrote in message ... I really disagree with this statement. I have an ATI board in two different computers. When I have attempted updates via WU both computers crashed. Pulled Microsoft supplied drivers, went to ATI web site and downloaded their latest and had absolutely no problem with their "sited" drivers. Had the same kind of problem with a HP printer also. the drivers available via WU for ATI and HP hardware are also built by those vendors and subsequently submitted to MS WHQL for testing and certification. ime, the WHQL certified drivers are stable and rarely cause problems, else they would not be available via WU in the first place. think about it, it's not to microsoft's benefit to install buggy drivers on their customer's systems. if a problem is found with a WHQL driver, it is pulled from WU update site. i only wish more hardware vendors would submit their drivers for MSWHQL testing and make them available via Windows/Automatic update... it makes sense to unify the update process to make it easier for the end-user to keep their systems up-to-date, whether it be the operating system, application software or device drivers. -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
"Greg R" wrote in message ... I cound not see the computer. If I use those resolutions on my computer. I only use 800x600 when I have too, then switch back to 640x800 eeek! reminds of the dark days of DOS I have a 15'' monitor. However for 17inch then 800x600 will do fine. typically, the recommended screen-size for a 15" monitor is 800x600, but many people run it higher at 1024x768, particularly if the 15" monitor has sufficiently high resolution (DPI) running a 17" monitor at low resolutions (800x600) does not make good sense, unless you have limited vision and require icons and text to be larger than normal That the same driver I talked about. But it was an another version. huh? how does the "same driver" = "another version" I don't use either version now. ic... well, i'm confused -- francis |
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It was a much older version my s3 graphics driver.
I downloaded it from windows update. This really messed up my computer. I download the same older version from the manufacture No problems. The reason I calling this an older version. Neither windows update nor the manufacture has that version now I was using xp sp1 at that time as well. Greg R http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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sp2 windows update bug?
"Greg R" wrote in message ... It was a much older version my s3 graphics driver. I downloaded it from windows update. yes, it's possible that by the time a driver is fully tested and posted to the WU site, it may have been superceded by a newer version on the hardware vendor's own website, but that doesn't mean the older one available via WU is no good, and since it's been regression tested, it may prove to be more reliable than the latest untested driver. This really messed up my computer. I download the same older version from the manufacture No problems. bizarre The reason I calling this an older version. Neither windows update nor the manufacture has that version now but... wasn't the whole point of this discussion to determine which driver is "newer", you initially said that, "Windows update notfies me I need this update" but now you're telling us that Windows update no longer has that version. I was using xp sp1 at that time as well. so when was that, before or after you posted your original article? -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
francis*gérard wrote:
if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected that the WU version is more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently installed version on your system is old or missing driver components It may be offering one that is in fact older - but is 'signed' by MS quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the makers and get the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP -- Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies) Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit) |
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sp2 windows update bug?
"Alex Nichol" wrote in message ... francis gérard wrote: if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected that the WU version is more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently installed version on your system is old or missing driver components It may be offering one that is in fact older - but is 'signed' by MS quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the makers and get the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP ALL drivers designed for Windows XP are supposed to be 'signed', whether obtained from WU or the vendor. apparently you missed the part in the discussion where i said: "the general rule is, if WU offers an updated driver for your hardware, go check the hardware vendor's website first, to see if they offer an updated version too, compare the two versions and choose the latest one, which will likely be the hardware vendor's version. however, keep in mind, the version offered by Microsoft has been *tested* and *certified*, the one on the vendor's website may not have been." please read more carefully next time i maintain, the drivers available via WU are perfectly safe to use. they are coded and built by the hardware vendors, tested and certified by MSWHQL and made available to WU. -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
A mvp agrees with me
Greg R On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:52 +0100, Alex Nichol wrote: francis*gérard wrote: if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected that the WU version is more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently installed version on your system is old or missing driver components It may be offering one that is in fact older - but is 'signed' by MS quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the makers and get the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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sp2 windows update bug?
"Greg R" wrote in message ... A mvp agrees with me greg, i wasn't aware this was about 'agreeing' with anyone you asked for advice, that's what you got btw, *anyone* can be an MVP, it's a meaningless designation and does not necessarily imply superior technical knowledge or abilities... far from it i think the following microsoft link best describes the MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...TRO&style=flat "The MVP Program is focused on our [Microsoft's] relationships to and with customers..." "... to help Microsoft build better products that result in more satisfied, loyal, and passionate Microsoft customers" notice the words, 'loyal passionate microsoft customers' that pretty much describes the role of an MVP, not a designation i would want myself -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
Which MVP? Alex didn't sound like he agreed with you.
-----Original Message----- A mvp agrees with me Greg R On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:03:52 +0100, Alex Nichol=20 wrote: francis g=E9rard wrote: if WU is offering you a driver, then it has detected=20 that the WU version is=20 more compatible with your hardware and/or the currently=20 installed version on=20 your system is old or missing driver components It may be offering one that is in fact older - but=20 is 'signed' by MS quality labs. I would always go to the web site of the=20 makers and get the latest driver that *they* recommend for use with XP http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ . |
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sp2 windows update bug?
-----Original Message----- "Greg R" wrote in message .. . A mvp agrees with me greg, i wasn't aware this was about 'agreeing' with anyone you asked for advice, that's what you got btw, *anyone* can be an MVP, it's a meaningless designation and does not necessarily imply superior technical knowledge or abilities... far from it i think the following microsoft link best describes the MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...px?scid=fh;EN- US;MVPINTRO&style=flat "The MVP Program is focused on our [Microsoft's] relationships to and with customers..." "... to help Microsoft build better products that result in more satisfied, loyal, and passionate Microsoft customers" notice the words, 'loyal passionate microsoft customers' that pretty much describes the role of an MVP, not a designation i would want myself -- francis Some MVPs are very good helping people in these groups without being Micro$nots. Unfortunately Francis, methinks you may have done a good job above describing some of the other MVPs above. . |
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sp2 windows update bug?
wrote in message ... Some MVPs are very good helping people in these groups without being Micro$nots. agreed, there are several notable MVPs (in these groups) that i can think of, who are technically knowledgeable, and not just about one particular facet of some microsoft product. Unfortunately Francis, methinks you may have done a good job above describing some of the other MVPs above. don't look at me, i'm just quoting directly from Microsoft's MVP site in fairness to MVPs though, despite the fact that some (many?) really are 'micro$nots' as you put it, from what i've read, that is Microsoft's intention with the program anyway, it's a clever 'community-based' approach to marketing their products and establishing customer loyalty. a Most Valuable Professional, MVP is 'valuable' to microsoft because they are microsoft devotees dedicated to microsoft's success, which contributes to their own success (livelihood). secondary to that, the knowledgeable MVPs help the lesser microsycophants with technical issues, mostly relating to microsoft products. now, before some MVP jumps down my throat, these are my OPINIONS. i can't speak for an MVP, as i'm not one myself (perish the thought), and i don't think all MVPs are microsheep either, i've met a *few* who really know their stuff, so to speak. btw, i think it would be helpful to dispel the commonly held misconception that MVPs are Microsoft employees, they are not, although they do receive 'incentives' from microsoft for their involvement in the program. -- francis |
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sp2 windows update bug?
francis*gérard wrote:
ALL drivers designed for Windows XP are supposed to be 'signed', whether obtained from WU or the vendor. But not as having passed WHQL - and that may result in your getting a stale one from update. The latest nvidia driver IIRC has not gone through the lab yet, but is probably fixing something needed in the one that has. By no means all makers drivers have been through the lab. All that the absence of sig means is that MSoft is not going to carry the can -- Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies) Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit) |
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sp2 windows update bug?
"Alex Nichol" wrote in message news francis gérard wrote: ALL drivers designed for Windows XP are supposed to be 'signed', whether obtained from WU or the vendor. But not as having passed WHQL - and that may result in your getting a stale one from update. The latest nvidia driver IIRC has not gone through the lab yet, but is probably fixing something needed in the one that has. By no means all makers drivers have been through the lab. All that the absence of sig means is that MSoft is not going to carry the can huh? do you know *anything* about WHQL? i don't think so. -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about driver updates via Windows Update... WU driver maintenance: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx WU driver publishing: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx WHQL testing: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx windows hardware test policies: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx overview of driver maintenance: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx qualification service: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx -- francis |
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updating drivers via WU - the facts
"francis g=E9rard" wrote in message = ... =20 for those wanting to know the FACTS (not conjecture) about driver = updates=20 via Windows Update... =20 WU driver maintenance: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx =20 WU driver publishing: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlog...ign/WinUp.mspx =20 WHQL testing: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest/default.mspx =20 windows hardware test policies: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hwtest.../policies.mspx =20 overview of driver maintenance: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/default.mspx =20 qualification service: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/GetStart/qualify.mspx =20 And getting driver updates via WU is not recommended, as they are mostly = older updates. Best to get them from the manufacturer's site. |
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