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Old August 29th 04, 05:36 AM
Steve
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

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Old August 29th 04, 05:47 AM
luminos
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!



"Steve" wrote in message
...
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!


I know more than you about computers, and you need to calm down. You sound
like a raving idiot.


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Old August 29th 04, 06:17 AM
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Common sense would seem to be in order.....

ask the question :"What does the McAfee Security Service
do?"

some would say it protects the OS files\settings from
being changed or modified.

then ask the question: "What is a service pack?"

some would say it changes and modifies OS files\settings.

So my question is "why would anybody have both programs
running at the same time?

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.

(although it is not directly stated here, this includes
Antivirus\system mechanic programs\popup
stoppers\Firewalls\and other programs running in the
background)


just one opinion.


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Old August 29th 04, 07:41 AM
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wrote:

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.


Which should say "disable all startup apps from running on startup in
advance of installing XP2" or similiar.

ie simply closing them means they will run on the reboot which is NOT
recommended.

In other words, disable, reboot, then upgrade.

My guess half the XP2 problems read here are due to third party 24/7
background apps.

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Old August 29th 04, 07:41 AM
Plato
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Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with


Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.


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Old August 29th 04, 07:51 AM
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Steve,
I have Windows XP Home Edition SP2, running with not A
SINGLE PROBLEM ANYWHERE. And I do alot more than check e-
mail and use MSN. So telling people "DO NOT INSTALL SP2
unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S

MSN!!!", you are basically saying that people who know
nothing will have no problem, and people who are somewhat
computer literate, WILL have problems. As for the people
who replied to this post, I used your posts to figure out
what was going on since I didn't want to read this whole
thing.
-----Original Message-----
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!)

running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed

EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently

conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best

to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and

telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port

10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277

(just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be

accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it

STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on

top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time

I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to

display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed -

check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of

this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes

USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about

computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S

MSN!!!

STEVE!

.

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Old August 29th 04, 09:11 AM
Steven K
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
wrote:

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.


Which should say "disable all startup apps from running on startup in
advance of installing XP2" or similiar.

ie simply closing them means they will run on the reboot which is NOT
recommended.


In fact closing open programs for just the time of installation is fully
sufficient.
SP2 reboots just once - when it has finished installation. No need to
disable startup..

;-)


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Old August 29th 04, 10:43 AM
Alias
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with


Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.


How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias


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Old August 29th 04, 10:53 AM
NoNoBadDog!
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.
Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with


Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.


How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use
XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend
AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias




  #10  
Old August 29th 04, 11:00 AM
Alias
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!


"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.


I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get the
true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read countless
messages on these two newsgroups.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.


Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to --
of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and
troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one
instruction: enable AU.

They do not know how to,


Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.

or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby


Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.


How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who

use
XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU

with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend
AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias






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Old August 29th 04, 11:34 AM
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

I find it odd that Steve is "Techie" enough to frequent MS NGs & even knows
how to cross-post, but apparently hasn't bothered reading any SP2 related
posts.

--

johnf

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.


I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get
the true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read
countless messages on these two newsgroups.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that
don't read the installation instructions, website precaution
statements, etc.


Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to
-- of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and
troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one
instruction: enable AU.

They do not know how to,


Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.

or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do
in blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby


Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who
use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU
with the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The
recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias



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Old August 29th 04, 01:17 PM
RoseW
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.
Most people want to -- of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain,
configure and troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people
get one
instruction: enable AU.

Until Sp2 the routine of Automatic Update has been the style...and those who
'use' their computer may have faithfully followed along -or not. In order to
have many computers using systems out there the emphasis went to 'make it
simple...and attractive' so Windows evolved and many computers sold.
I would venture that a large percentage of users now do not have a
background of using in DOS with the flashing cursor waiting for a command
and then discovering the start up menus that could be made. So now its click
an icon and its not much different than the current vehicles. Vehicles are
created that its practically necessary to go to a service for an oil change
since there is barely room to get under the car without a bunch of
paraphernalia to change the oil (that's from experience) Even service
centres require a computer set up in order to analyse or diagnose the
vehicle.
Thinking ahead and systematically solving a computer or vehicle problem is
not the populace way of operating, I think the condition that people 'are
not techies and don't know how' is likely true but its an 'industry created
condition'
I agree an instruction with detailed steps would have been a plus but how is
that possible with Automatic Update?
There is a good step by step instruction at
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
I followed those instructions and downloaded the big file saved to disk and
the preparation and installation took the most part of a day. The
installation and follow-up has had no problems but I thought the security
panel set up was a bit unclear. It was not totally obvious about declaring
that a firewall and antivirus (unrecognized by name but noted by Sp2) would
be managed by myself.
Rose


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Old August 29th 04, 01:43 PM
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"Steve" wrote in message
...
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users. I
gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.







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Old August 29th 04, 02:05 PM
Alias
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"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote


I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before

I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has

no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get

the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows

what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.


I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was

written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.


The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias


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Old August 29th 04, 02:14 PM
Mike H
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Default SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Gregg Cattanach" wrote

"Steve" wrote


I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before

I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has

no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get

the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows

what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know
nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!


SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.


I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was

written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

--
Gregg C.


The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias




 




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