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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
And the "Severity Center" is pretty much a useless feature, it was the first
thing I disabled. Firewall and Pop-Up blocker also useless to me. Testy "NoSpam" wrote in message ... NoNoBadDog! wrote: First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall. When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're paying for exactly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004 |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
And most of your stupid reply has nothing to do with size anyway!
Testy "NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... Who really cares what you consider useless? The question was related to the size of the SP2 download. That has nothing to do with what you think. Bobby "Testy" wrote in message ... And the "Severity Center" is pretty much a useless feature, it was the first thing I disabled. Firewall and Pop-Up blocker also useless to me. Testy "NoSpam" wrote in message ... NoNoBadDog! wrote: First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall. When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're paying for exactly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004 |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
Serious question - why is SP2 so big?
It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2
consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Bobby "Mixxy" wrote in message .. . Serious question - why is SP2 so big? It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
List of fixes in SP2
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;811113 New features in SP2 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/features.mspx None of it is particularly sexy or has Wow appeal for end users but it is all critical and I'm sure it was a massive engineering exercise. -- Regards John Waller |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
To add:
The full size of SP2 is 266MB, not 80-100MB. What the OP is looking at there is the average size of the express download from Windows Update. It only contains SP2's specific security updates, and any missing critical updates. The full package contains all critical updates since WinXP's original release. Someone who has never or rarely updated will recieve a much larger express package. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org "NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Bobby "Mixxy" wrote in message .. . Serious question - why is SP2 so big? It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
So that you only have to click on one file to install, rather than 40 or 50
or so (not counted) critical updates post SP1 Jon "Mixxy" wrote in message .. . Serious question - why is SP2 so big? It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
I was expecting to see a large-ish entry in Add/Remove after installing SP2
(express installation). What I do see is "Windows XP Service Pack 2....Size 0.83MB" Am I misunderstanding something here?? "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote: To add: The full size of SP2 is 266MB, not 80-100MB. What the OP is looking at there is the average size of the express download from Windows Update. It only contains SP2's specific security updates, and any missing critical updates. The full package contains all critical updates since WinXP's original release. Someone who has never or rarely updated will recieve a much larger express package. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org "NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Bobby "Mixxy" wrote in message .. . Serious question - why is SP2 so big? It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
"Mixxy" wrote in message .. . Serious question - why is SP2 so big? It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? What the hell did you expect it do? ss. |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
Don't rely on that size indicator, it's frequently wrong.
"coliboy" wrote in message ... I was expecting to see a large-ish entry in Add/Remove after installing SP2 (express installation). What I do see is "Windows XP Service Pack 2....Size 0.83MB" Am I misunderstanding something here?? "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote: To add: The full size of SP2 is 266MB, not 80-100MB. What the OP is looking at there is the average size of the express download from Windows Update. It only contains SP2's specific security updates, and any missing critical updates. The full package contains all critical updates since WinXP's original release. Someone who has never or rarely updated will recieve a much larger express package. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org "NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message ... First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Bobby "Mixxy" wrote in message .. . Serious question - why is SP2 so big? It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches. Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why is it so large? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
NoNoBadDog! wrote:
First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall. When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're paying for exactly. |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
"NoSpam" wrote in message ... Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall. When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many problems with XP when it shipped? Yes, and there will still be problems no doubt. Makes you wonder what you're paying for exactly. Yes -- Apollo |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
NoSpam writes:
Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall. When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're paying for exactly. It might be something similar to Norton Antivirus. Every couple of days they often download a substantial fraction of a megabyte for an update. I don't think any company could hire enough competent people to churn out a good part of a megabyte of new software every few days. But there is an alternative. Suppose they had written a hundred different programs to make this work. SUppose they only needed to change a single line in each one. The old promise that dll's were going to mean that windows programs were going to be smaller than pre-windows programs never happened. When they recompile all 100 of those programs they then have to send you the complete 100 programs all over again. So, there might be 100 massive screwups in XP that are supposed to be fixed with SP2, actually there were estimates that there were many thousands of massive screwups when XP was first shipped, but be generous here, one per program, Microsoft changes a line or two in every one, more in some of them, recompiles all of them and now has to send you 100 different megabyte or multimegabyte programs for the update, even though often only a half dozen bytes really got changed in any one of them. |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
Make me a nice cuppa in the morning. Is that too much to ask?
What the hell did you expect it do? |
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Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much
Did you even bother to read what I posted? Are you that dense?
Bobby "NoSpam" wrote in message ... NoNoBadDog! wrote: First of all, your statement "It doesn't do much" is totally wrong. SP2 consists of many updates and hotfixes combined into a single package. It replaces a great number of system files with updated files that correct security issues, compatibility problems, etc. It incorporates major elements of SP1, and the hotfixes and critical updates issued since then. It replaces the Windows firewall with a completely new (but still very lame) version. It add the new Windows Security Center. It incorporates a pop-up blocker to Internet explorer. It adds security to Outlook and Outlook express. If you have an AMD64 processor, it adds Enhanced Virus Protection that prevents certain types of malicious code gaining control of the OS after a buffer overrun. SP2 updates approximately 5 million lines of code. It does so much more than you can "see". Still a perfectly valid question as far as I can see. The only visible things are the pop-up blocker, the security centre and the firewall. When you think you can download pop-up blockers and firewalls in 3 meg downloads, where's the other 84 meg going? We're there really that many problems with XP when it shipped? Makes you wonder what you're paying for exactly. |
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