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  #1  
Old September 13th 04, 04:01 PM
MJ
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I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts, inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows (kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further installation
in the future.
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  #2  
Old September 13th 04, 04:31 PM
Tom
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"MJ" wrote in message =
...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts, inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.
=20
I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows (kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I need another
install key from them.
=20
Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."
=20
It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs for anything =
XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for it. You should have read =
here, or at MS for the "How Tos" for installing SP2 (or any major MS =
update/service pack) before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware problem, and =
should be relegated to the manufacturer for warranty. SP2, Windows (or =
any software for that matter) doesn't break hardware, people do, or time =
does!
  #3  
Old September 13th 04, 04:49 PM
Rho_1r
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I Installed sp2 no problems at all, I dont understand why so many have these
problems, I dont have one of them.
Rho_1r(VIP) not MVP

"Tom" wrote:


"MJ" wrote in message ...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts, inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows (kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How Tos" for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service pack) before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer for warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that matter) doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!

  #4  
Old September 13th 04, 04:55 PM
Herb Fritatta
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-----Original Message-----

"MJ" wrote in message

...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed

Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital

to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to

SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe

motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB

of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted

in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so

that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts,

inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my

needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all

over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the

process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair

and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows

(kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows

XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a

very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of

XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look

forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I

need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you

should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows

XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash

and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact

that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further

installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs

for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for
it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How Tos"
for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service pack)
before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware

problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer for
warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that matter)
doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!
.


You assume an awful lot. How do you know the OP didn't
properly prepare? I did, and I had very similar results.
And note that the OP doesn't say anything about
*mechanical* failure of his HD. The fact is, and I
learned this the hard way, you can have a system that's
running like a top, fully patched, fully protected,
defragged, etc., etc. and SP2 can still make a mess of it.
Just because *you* haven't had issues and *you* choose
to swallow the line of crap about the wonderful "stability"
of SP2 being spewed by MS and a few of the MVPs here
doesn't mean that everyone should. Consider yourself
fortunate, and remember that it's still early. My own
time bomb didn't go off until a week after installation.

  #5  
Old September 13th 04, 04:57 PM
Wislu Plethora
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-----Original Message-----
I Installed sp2 no problems at all, I dont understand why

so many have these
problems, I dont have one of them.
Rho_1r(VIP) not MVP


Well, you're a top-posting idiot, which is one problem
many don't have, but you do.
  #6  
Old September 13th 04, 06:18 PM
MJ
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:31:44 -0400, "Tom" wrote:


"MJ" wrote in message ...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts, inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows (kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How Tos" for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service pack) before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer for warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that matter) doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!


The hard drive works fine, as does every other component. I found out
the problem... afterwards. Apparently there is still an ongoing report
about incompatibilities with software that is not yet complete,
including video drivers, etc. I have no idea what caused the problem
but suffice it to say there is NO WAY that SP2 is being installed on
my machine for a very, very, very long time.

There was nothing any "How To" from MS could have helped me on this
one since after the reboot is when these problems sent me into a
spiraling trail of autoreboots, each one earlier than the prior until
I had no choice.
  #7  
Old September 13th 04, 06:25 PM
Unknown
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And you're an obnoxious idiot for making responses like that.
"Wislu Plethora" wrote in message
...

-----Original Message-----
I Installed sp2 no problems at all, I dont understand why

so many have these
problems, I dont have one of them.
Rho_1r(VIP) not MVP


Well, you're a top-posting idiot, which is one problem
many don't have, but you do.


  #8  
Old September 13th 04, 06:31 PM
MpM
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This is the 2nd time I see this comment from you.... so please understand,
not all machines are created equally. (Dell 3.06 Ghz, 2 ea. LCD, 1Gig Ram, WD
80gig)

My example is that I can document some specific problems with SP2.
Examples:
The latest NVidia driver. Some advanced window handling features will not
initialize without an error on SP2. They worked perfectly with SP1. (Quadro
NVS).

The security warnings crop up even though the JavaScript is running locally,
on a web app that is communicating to a database on the same machine, (no
network access, not even intranet - AND, scripts, even unsigned, are enabled).

Windows Explorer, (not IE! ... and not just the File Mgr. window... I mean
Explorer that runs the desktop), locks up. I can kill the process, start a
new session in a cmd window and go right back to work, but....)

Video now causes BSoD (Blue Screen of Death). This is true in several
different apps, (Pinnacle, QuickTime, and Irfanview - Is it the graphics
driver? [again... worked fine on SP1]).

I went through the "get ready for SP2". I ran one week on SP1 with all
updated drivers to ensure no problems. I had zero errors on install.

This machine is (used to be) on 24X7. I schedule a cleanup and then reboot
every Sunday night. I am now researching drivers, doing a cleanup every day,
and consider myself lucky if I can get through a days work without having to
reboot at least once.

I work in I.S. I have advised our service group not to install SP2 until
more research is done on driver compatibility, especially regards graphics
and the functionality of our home-grown Web Apps.
STATEMENT: SP2 is not as robust as SP1. Depending on the driver
combinations, installed software base, etc., you may or may not experience
these problems, but SP2 is not as robust as SP1.

"Rho_1r" wrote:

I Installed sp2 no problems at all, I dont understand why so many have these
problems, I dont have one of them.
Rho_1r(VIP) not MVP

"Tom" wrote:


"MJ" wrote in message ...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts, inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows (kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How Tos" for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service pack) before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer for warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that matter) doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!

  #9  
Old September 13th 04, 06:37 PM
Andrew87
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Well I couldn't prepapre cos it just automatically started and I knew nothing
of the SP or precautions.

"Herb Fritatta" wrote:


-----Original Message-----

"MJ" wrote in message

...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed

Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital

to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to

SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe

motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB

of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted

in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so

that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts,

inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my

needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all

over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the

process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair

and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows

(kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows

XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a

very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of

XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look

forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I

need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you

should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows

XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash

and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact

that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further

installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs

for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for
it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How Tos"
for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service pack)
before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware

problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer for
warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that matter)
doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!
.


You assume an awful lot. How do you know the OP didn't
properly prepare? I did, and I had very similar results.
And note that the OP doesn't say anything about
*mechanical* failure of his HD. The fact is, and I
learned this the hard way, you can have a system that's
running like a top, fully patched, fully protected,
defragged, etc., etc. and SP2 can still make a mess of it.
Just because *you* haven't had issues and *you* choose
to swallow the line of crap about the wonderful "stability"
of SP2 being spewed by MS and a few of the MVPs here
doesn't mean that everyone should. Consider yourself
fortunate, and remember that it's still early. My own
time bomb didn't go off until a week after installation.


  #10  
Old September 13th 04, 06:48 PM
Wislu Plethora
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-----Original Message-----
Well I couldn't prepapre cos it just automatically

started and I knew nothing
of the SP or precautions.


I think you probably had to agree to a EULA before
installation didn't you? I don't think the auto download
of SP2 installs without that. If so, then you agreed to
something before knowing what you were agreeing to, so
you have no room to complain.
  #11  
Old September 13th 04, 07:06 PM
Tom
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"Herb Fritatta" wrote in message =
...
=20
-----Original Message-----

"MJ" wrote in message=20

...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed=20

Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital=20

to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to=20

SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe=20

motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB=20

of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted=20

in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so=20

that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts,=20

inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my=20

needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all=20

over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.
=20
I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the=20

process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair=20

and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows=20

(kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows=20

XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a=20

very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of=20

XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look=20

forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I=20

need another
install key from them.
=20
Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you=20

should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows=20

XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash=20

and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."
=20
It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact=20

that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further=20

installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs=20

for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for=20
it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How Tos"=20
for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service pack)=20
before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware=20

problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer for=20
warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that matter)=20
doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!
.

=20
You assume an awful lot. How do you know the OP didn't
properly prepare?


OP didn't state that she did prepare!

I did, and I had very similar results.
And note that the OP doesn't say anything about
*mechanical* failure of his HD.


The OP stated exactly that:
"In one fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble"

HD to rubble sounds like destruction of the HD to me; software CANNOT =
destroy hardware.

In any case, you complain about my reply due to your reading =
comprehension problems. But the OP did reply that she didn't lose the =
HD, so that was overblown on her part. Again, software CANNOT hurt =
hardware, only other softwares/drivers.=20

The fact is, and I=20
learned this the hard way, you can have a system that's
running like a top, fully patched, fully protected,
defragged, etc., etc. and SP2 can still make a mess of it.


That is a fact, but very minimal for the many, and most (like 99.99%) =
bad cases are ill prepared installs, and not reading facts and =
preparations before installing SP2. It is clearly stated on the SP2 MS =
site what to do, and TO BACK UP ALL YOUR IMPORTANT DATA.

You could simply put in a new driver from your card MF, and it could =
crash your system to that which could require a total install, it is the =
nature of things in the PC world, and they happen, and MS would still be =
the blame. Bitching about them, especially from not backing up one's =
data is not my problem, but I would help with it if I could.

Just because *you* haven't had issues and *you* choose
to swallow the line of crap about the wonderful "stability"
of SP2 being spewed by MS and a few of the MVPs here
doesn't mean that everyone should. Consider yourself
fortunate, and remember that it's still early. My own
time bomb didn't go off until a week after installation.


Oh please! The OP has almost the same system I do, and I didn't any =
problems whatsoever. Many hardware MFs have updates for SP2 for their =
drivers. But still, the OP didn't check out here, or the MS sites =
regarding what to do. This isn't some little program that you install =
and run, it is a major update, and anyone with a modicum of PC knowledge =
would have troubled themselves with READING before INSTALLING!
  #12  
Old September 13th 04, 07:19 PM
Tom
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"MJ" wrote in message =
...
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:31:44 -0400, "Tom" wrote:
=20

"MJ" wrote in message =

...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I installed Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was vital to install =

the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard, two SATA =

250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5 GB of RAM. In =

one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it resulted in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts, inability to =

fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data all over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.
=20
I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the process of trying =

to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows (kept crapping =

out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can look forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why I need another
install key from them.
=20
Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then you should give =

me
another 20 automatically when I say the phrase "Windows XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to crash and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."
=20
It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for further installation
in the future.


Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to specs for anything =

XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare for it. You should have read =
here, or at MS for the "How Tos" for installing SP2 (or any major MS =
update/service pack) before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware problem, and =

should be relegated to the manufacturer for warranty. SP2, Windows (or =
any software for that matter) doesn't break hardware, people do, or time =
does!
=20
The hard drive works fine, as does every other component. I found out
the problem... afterwards. Apparently there is still an ongoing report
about incompatibilities with software that is not yet complete,
including video drivers, etc. I have no idea what caused the problem
but suffice it to say there is NO WAY that SP2 is being installed on
my machine for a very, very, very long time.
=20
There was nothing any "How To" from MS could have helped me on this
one since after the reboot is when these problems sent me into a
spiraling trail of autoreboots, each one earlier than the prior until
I had no choice.


You did have a choice, that was to prepare. Not having a choice means =
you were forced to have SP2 installed without preparing. Here are a few =
MS sites regarding preparations:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=3D842242
http://support.microsoft.com/default...S;windowsxpsp2

Here is a list of programs that MAY NOT function properly using SP2
(Updated 9/9)
http://support.microsoft.com/default...uct=3Dwindows=
xpsp2

There is an alphabetical list of hardware/softweare vendors and their =
respective websites located at the bottom of this web page (as well as =
the list of programs in this page), that are list under three different =
links (one link for example is for hardware/software listed =
alphabetically A-K, and so on).

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=3D842242


  #13  
Old September 13th 04, 07:37 PM
Herb Fritatta
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-----Original Message-----

"Herb Fritatta"

wrote in message news:137b01c499aa$140af910
...

-----Original Message-----

"MJ" wrote in message

...
I did an incredibly dumb think last weekend. I

installed
Windows
Service Pack 2 because I was informed that it was

vital
to install the
security updates. My PC worked beautifully prior to

SP2. It's a
homebuilt beauty with an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe

motherboard, two SATA 250
GB hard drives, 2 IDEs, a DVD and CD burner with 1.5

GB
of RAM. In one
fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble since it

resulted
in crashing
half my applications and then causing boot errors so

that I couldn't
even boot into windows, repeated automatic restarts,

inability to fix
using the worthless Recovery Console, resulting in my

needing to
recover my data form lost partitions, move my data

all
over the
place... etc. etc. etc. what a bloody mess.

I'm still not finished figuring it out but in the

process of trying to
resurrect my HD and reinstall windows through repair

and then
reinstall over the existing installation of windows

(kept crapping out
my PC), I have been informed that all my Windows

XP "allocated
installs" are used up. I had to call MS, give them a

very long code,
in order to obtain the ability to register my copy of

XP. I'm told
that EVERY time that I may have to reinstall I can

look
forward to
this procedure and having to justify to Microsoft why

I
need another
install key from them.

Note to Microsoft: If this is an install issue then

you
should give me
another 20 automatically when I say the

phrase "Windows
XP required
full reinstalls after an 'update' caused my PC to

crash
and burn and
require formatting and attempted restore/reinstalls."

It's not a good feeling to be insecure about the fact

that the money
you plunked down now requires justification for

further
installation
in the future.

Sounds like a fairly new system, and totally up to

specs
for anything XP, including SP2, but you didn't prepare

for
it. You should have read here, or at MS for the "How

Tos"
for installing SP2 (or any major MS update/service

pack)
before installing it.

If your hard drive crapped out, then it is a hardware

problem, and should be relegated to the manufacturer

for
warranty. SP2, Windows (or any software for that

matter)
doesn't break hardware, people do, or time does!
.


You assume an awful lot. How do you know the OP didn't
properly prepare?


OP didn't state that she did prepare!

I did, and I had very similar results.
And note that the OP doesn't say anything about
*mechanical* failure of his HD.


The OP stated exactly that:
"In one fell swoop it reduced my HD to rubble"

HD to rubble sounds like destruction of the HD to me;

software CANNOT destroy hardware.

In any case, you complain about my reply due to your

reading comprehension problems. But the OP did reply that
she didn't lose the HD, so that was overblown on her part.
Again, software CANNOT hurt hardware, only other
softwares/drivers.

The fact is, and I
learned this the hard way, you can have a system that's
running like a top, fully patched, fully protected,
defragged, etc., etc. and SP2 can still make a mess of

it.

That is a fact, but very minimal for the many, and most

(like 99.99%) bad cases are ill prepared installs, and not
reading facts and preparations before installing SP2. It
is clearly stated on the SP2 MS site what to do, and TO
BACK UP ALL YOUR IMPORTANT DATA.

You could simply put in a new driver from your card MF,

and it could crash your system to that which could require
a total install, it is the nature of things in the PC
world, and they happen, and MS would still be the blame.
Bitching about them, especially from not backing up one's
data is not my problem, but I would help with it if I
could.

Just because *you* haven't had issues and *you* choose
to swallow the line of crap about the

wonderful "stability"
of SP2 being spewed by MS and a few of the MVPs here
doesn't mean that everyone should. Consider yourself
fortunate, and remember that it's still early. My own
time bomb didn't go off until a week after installation.


Oh please! The OP has almost the same system I do, and I

didn't any problems whatsoever. Many hardware MFs have
updates for SP2 for their drivers. But still, the OP
didn't check out here, or the MS sites regarding what to
do. This isn't some little program that you install and
run, it is a major update, and anyone with a modicum of PC
knowledge would have troubled themselves with READING
before INSTALLING!
.


This is almost too stupid for words. What are is a
hardware "MF"? I know what "mf" stands for in my
neighborhood, but I think maybe you meant "mfg."

The OP didn't state that she did prepare? So this
automatically means that she (he?)didn't? Nice logic. I
said you were assuming too much, and you were. Same goes
for the HD situation. You assumed mechanical failure when
there was none in evidence. *My* reading comprehension
problems? And once again, in a shining piece of
evidence of your own inability to think straight, you say
that you have "almost" the same system as the OP, and
everything is fine. That's what's known as a nonsequitur.
Also, keep in mind that a few days ago, I could have made
the same statement, at least insofar as no problems with
SP2 is concerned.
And look, genius, I read everything there was to read
before the update, not only did I read it, but I did so
with a reasonable level of comprehension and experience.
Provide a reliable source for your 99.9% figure, or go
put your head back up your ass.
  #14  
Old September 13th 04, 07:52 PM
Tom
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"Herb Fritatta" wrote in message =
...

snipped already, a too long thread!
=20
This is almost too stupid for words. What are is a=20
hardware "MF"? I know what "mf" stands for in my=20
neighborhood, but I think maybe you meant "mfg."


LMAO! MF is (my) short response for manufacturer (mfg is short for =
manufacturing), as you said you thought (is that possible for you?), but =
you felt the need to make yourself sound stupid, and think it was =
something else! While you're on the "This is too stupid" thing, what =
kind of "stupid English" questions is, "What are is a hardware "MF"?"

"are is a" Bwahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!

=20
The OP didn't state that she did prepare? So this
automatically means that she (he?)didn't? Nice logic. I=20
said you were assuming too much, and you were. Same goes=20
for the HD situation. You assumed mechanical failure when=20
there was none in evidence. *My* reading comprehension
problems? And once again, in a shining piece of=20
evidence of your own inability to think straight, you say
that you have "almost" the same system as the OP, and
everything is fine. That's what's known as a nonsequitur.
Also, keep in mind that a few days ago, I could have made
the same statement, at least insofar as no problems with
SP2 is concerned.


Really, your inability to explain away "HD to rubble" speaks volumes, =
but what about "non sequitur" (it is two separate words , stupid!), do =
you really know the meaning of that term?

And look, genius, I read everything there was to read
before the update, not only did I read it, but I did so
with a reasonable level of comprehension and experience.
Provide a reliable source for your 99.9% figure, or go
put your head back up your ass.


Your penchant for ad-hominems is testament to your inability to do =
simple PC setups. You can search my posts for %s, I won't do it for you. =
If I am a genius, I more than exemplify the compliment, since I did =
EXACTLY the preparations that you didn't, while you blame others for =
your screw-ups!
  #15  
Old September 13th 04, 08:21 PM
Herb Fritatta
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-----Original Message-----

"Herb Fritatta"

wrote in message news:159201c499c0$a8127910
...

snipped already, a too long thread!

This is almost too stupid for words. What are is a
hardware "MF"? I know what "mf" stands for in my
neighborhood, but I think maybe you meant "mfg."


LMAO! MF is (my) short response for manufacturer (mfg is

short for manufacturing), as you said you thought (is that
possible for you?), but you felt the need to make yourself
sound stupid, and think it was something else! While
you're on the "This is too stupid" thing, what kind
of "stupid English" questions is, "What are is a
hardware "MF"?"

Actually, "mfg." is an acceptable abbreviation for
"manufacturer" although it makes no sense. Try and find
me a source for "MF" as you used it.

"are is a" Bwahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!


Typo. Mea culpa.

The OP didn't state that she did prepare? So this
automatically means that she (he?)didn't? Nice logic. I
said you were assuming too much, and you were. Same

goes
for the HD situation. You assumed mechanical failure

when
there was none in evidence. *My* reading comprehension
problems? And once again, in a shining piece of
evidence of your own inability to think straight, you

say
that you have "almost" the same system as the OP, and
everything is fine. That's what's known as a

nonsequitur.
Also, keep in mind that a few days ago, I could have

made
the same statement, at least insofar as no problems with
SP2 is concerned.


Really, your inability to explain away "HD to rubble"

speaks volumes, but what about "non sequitur" (it is two
separate words , stupid!), do you really know the meaning
of that term?

Jesus. Have you ever heard of a metaphor? A figure of
speech? Did you think that the OP's HD was a *literal*
pile of rubble? I read it as "something bad happened."
Nothing more. Suppose the OP had said, "My HD was reduced
to ashes." Would you recommend keeping a fire
extinguisher handy? And I am aware of the proper form of
"non sequitur." Another typo. Mea culpa again. But you
still haven't explained how one part of your thinking
logically led to the next.


And look, genius, I read everything there was to read
before the update, not only did I read it, but I did so
with a reasonable level of comprehension and experience.
Provide a reliable source for your 99.9% figure, or go
put your head back up your ass.


Your penchant for ad-hominems is testament to your

inability to do simple PC setups. You can search my posts
for %s, I won't do it for you. If I am a genius, I more
than exemplify the compliment, since I did EXACTLY the
preparations that you didn't, while you blame others for
your screw-ups!

You have no way of knowing what preparation I did or
didn't do. You suggested that 99.9% of "bad cases" are
due to "ill-prepared" (I added the dash for you)installs.
I asked you for evidence of same. I screwed nothing up. I
was as well-prepared as it's possible to be except that I
didn't have a drive image to fall back on. I did have a
good data backup, however. The fact that I had to do a
complete reinstall rather than just having to restore an
image is my fault.
 




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