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RAM Boosting programs --- are they worth it?
Hi, all !
I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! |
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RAM Boosting programs --- are they worth it?
Ram boosting is just paging itself...
-- Randem Systems Your Installation Specialist The Top Inno Setup Script Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html http://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.html http://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.html http://www.financialtrainingservices.org "Hari Hari Mau" wrote in message ... Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
wrote: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? No. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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64Bit Snake Oil.
JS http://www.pagestart.com "Hari Hari Mau" wrote in message ... Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! |
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! No. Things will likely always page - just the way things are handled. How often do you actually utilize 16GB of your memory? ;-) -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Hari Hari Mau wrote: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! Try one and find out and report back. Most say they are worthless and actually use more ram. (ie:snakeoil) Let us hear how it works out. |
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Hari Hari Mau wrote: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just relying on the fact that the page file is being used? The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your physical ram is used up. |
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On Nov 29, 6:45*pm, "Shenan Stanley" wrote:
Hari Hari Mau wrote: I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! No. Things will likely always page - just the way things are handled. How often do you actually utilize 16GB of your memory? ;-) According to Task Manager, all of it plus another 24 GB of paged. As I have 4 HD in the comp, and set up page files in all the 4 HDs, total paged is about 38GB and 24GB of it has been "committed". What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually know why the thing is using up so much memory. That is why I am thinking of changing a mobo that can support 32GB of RAM. But before I do that, I like to know if any of those RAM Boosting utilities work. What I mean is, if there's some mem leakage, perhaps (just perhaps !) the RAM Boosting utility could recover those RAM by "cleaning up" those memories that are not being used and then giving it back to the OS so my machine won't have to be paged like mad. As it is now, the HD light is constantly on. All 4 of the HD are like churning and cranking. I have read in other places that those RAM Boosting programs are junk. My purpose of posting the messages here is, maybe someone have had experiences on those RAM Boosting programs and maybe they can tell me more about mem leaks and how to recover those RAM memory. Hoping to hear more opinion soon ! Thank you all !!! -- Shenan Stanley * * *MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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On Nov 29, 6:55*pm, "Buffalo" wrote:
Hari Hari Mau wrote: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just relying on the fact that the page file is being used? The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your physical ram is used up. Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice slow down". The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to hum. I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering. From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed" mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD light is on constantly. |
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You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps
mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You have to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks. You may also be able to use a profiler to help. -- Randem Systems Your Installation Specialist The Top Inno Setup Script Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html http://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.html http://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.html http://www.financialtrainingservices.org "Hari Hari Mau" wrote in message ... On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" wrote: Hari Hari Mau wrote: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just relying on the fact that the page file is being used? The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your physical ram is used up. Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice slow down". The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to hum. I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering. From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed" mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD light is on constantly. |
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Hari Hari Mau wrote in
: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? None. For two reasons. There are two ways you can "increase" ram without actually spending the couple of bucks to actually *do* it. 1. Compression in situ. This involves compressing all data while it is in RAM thereby giving you more space, but at a substantial speed penalty. 2. Swapping to the hard drive. Windows does this anyways if you run out of ram, so what you're doing is creating a second page file fighting with windows. This makes it *really* slow. In addition to this stupidity, the hard drive - any hard drive - is over 1000x slower than any RAM. This is why when the computer slows down the hard drive light is always on, or rather the other way around. If you need a faster computer with more RAM, upgrade it. The "solution" you suggest only worked when the hard drives were close in speed to the speed of the processors. That's about 1980 or earlier. The original IBM PC had a clock speed of 4.77 Mhz. Hard drive speeds (random access time) were of the order of 80ms or slower. This leads to a ratio of 1:381,600 at worst. In present computers, The speed is 3 Ghz (single processor/single core to give a fair comparision) Hard drives still only are about 5ms due to hardware limitations - motors only move so fast. That's a ration of 1:15,000,000,000. Now a read of a byte of ram takes pretty well the same number of clock cycles - 4 with a couple more waiting depending on how fast the ram is. Now you see the loss you get? Try shutting down everything else *but* the program you're working on, including anything in startup and see if that helps first. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) ) |
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Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory. That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I just can't find it ! Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please? Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. .... but I digress ... On Nov 29, 7:29*pm, "Randem" wrote: You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You have to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks. You may also be able to use a profiler to help. -- Randem Systems Your Installation Specialist The Top Inno Setup Script Generatorhttp://www.randem.com/innoscript.htmlhttp://www.rndem.com/installerproblems.htmlhttp://www.randem.com/vistainstalls.htmlhttp://www.financialtrainingservices.org "Hari Hari Mau" wrote in ... On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" wrote: Hari Hari Mau wrote: Hi, all ! I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM. I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots and LOTS of memory. Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the thing goes to paged RAM. Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question --- Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work? If so, which one do you recommend? I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism .... anything ! Thank you all ! Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just relying on the fact that the page file is being used? The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your physical ram is used up. Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice slow down". The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to hum. I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering. From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed" mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD light is on constantly. |
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually know why the thing is using up so much memory. Start | Run type in perfmon.msc enter This is a performance graph used to find bottlenecks. It's not an easy program to use, so you will need to read the help file (Hit F1) or you will get a help file on how to use MMC. Very quick start would be to Hit the + (or ADD) icon, then read all the counters from each performance object. But set up correctly you can find memory leaks, hogs, or those in need of more. -- Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixel http://tinyurl.com/6nro6h |
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On Nov 29, 8:40*pm, wrote:
*Hari Hari Mau wrote: What I am currently doing is rendering animation, very cpu and mem intensive job, but still it shouldn't have used so much RAM. Since I do not know how to track memory leakage or whatnots, I don't actually know why the thing is using up so much memory. Start | Run type in perfmon.msc enter This is a performance graph used to find bottlenecks. It's not an easy program to use, so you will need to read the help file (Hit F1) or you will get a help file on how to use MMC. Very quick start would be to Hit the + (or ADD) icon, then read all the counters from each performance object. But set up correctly you can find memory leaks, hogs, or those in need of more. -- Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixelhttp://tinyurl.com/6nro6h Many thanks !!! |
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I just can't find it ! Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please? You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory. It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools. You might need Admin access. And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE -- Find and mayhaps repair a stuck pixel http://tinyurl.com/6nro6h |
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